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Why God of the gaps and Atheism of the gaps are Fallacious.

Discussion in 'Christian Apologetics' started by Uber Genius, Oct 12, 2017 at 10:29 AM.

  1. Uber Genius

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    I. Argumentum ad Ignorantiam: (appeal to ignorance) the fallacy that a proposition is true simply on the basis that it has not been proved false or that it is false simply because it has not been proved true. This error in reasoning is often expressed with influential rhetoric.
    A. The informal structure has two basic patterns:
    Statement p is unproved.
    Not-p is true.

    Statement not-p is unproved.
    p is true.

    B. If one argues that God or telepathy, ghosts, or UFO's do not exist because their existence has not been proven beyond a shadow of doubt, then this fallacy occurs.
    C. On the other hand, if one argues that God, telepathy, and so on do exist because their non-existence has not been proved, then one argues fallaciously as well.

    For more info see: The Appeal to Ignorance

    Please join me in posting your favorite appeals to ignorance by atheists (especially New Atheists) and theists apologists alike. Please give examples from specific authors and links as support of accuracy.

    Example:

    "We are only beginning to understand the universe and all that is contained in it. Our current knowledge is very limited right now; we are only beginning to discover the questions let alone the answers. However, this is the job of science and someday, as science progresses, all of these unanswered questions will in fact be answered. In other words, yes, there are mysteries in the universe which may give the appearance of a transcendent being, but, as experience has shown us already with other things that were thought to be of divine origin, these mysteries will eventually be solved and there will be no place for any kind of a "God hypothesis". In short, God is not necessary and science will eventually explain everything in a naturalistic way given enough time." (Craig from Mongolia)

    Read more: Naturalistic Appeal to Ignorance | Reasonable Faith

    "Did you know you can ask very simple questions to the scientists who claim that dinosaurs lived millions of years ago? You could say to them, in a very nice way of course, "Excuse me, were you there?" You are actually asking them, "Were you there to see the dinosaurs when they first came into existence? Were you there to see them alive? Were you there to see them die out?" Obviously, they weren't there, so how could they really know everything about them?"

    Dinosaurs for Kids
    (2009), p. 14
     
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  2. Nicholas Deka

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    LOL! You posted a straw man?! That is not a claim from "Craig from Mongolia". Craig is a Christian and a fan of WLC who wrote that this is what atheists claim. Here's the sentence he writes directly before your block quote:

    "However, the kind of umbrella argument they do give to superficially cover your points seems to run along the lines of the following:"​

    Tricks "New Atheists" play indeed...
     
  3. xianghua

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    the argument for the existence of god is actually base on scientific evidence. it's a positive evidence, like a (self replicating) watch is a positive evidence for the existence of intelligent.
     
  4. Uber Genius

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    Gentlemen examples would be helpful. See mine above and find similar one. You are right to distinguish between arguments to ignorance and abductive inferences such as Darwin's theory of evolution and Intelligent design or fine-tuning of the universe for life arguments.

    I am trying to move away from rhetorical rants and fallacious representations, "telepathy" "ghost stories" and other false analogies.

    I can't see the post you are responding to. They are on my "ignored" list due to propaganda.
     
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  5. xianghua

    xianghua Well-Known Member

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    im not sure what you referring to but ok.
     
  6. Uber Genius

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    Appeal to ignorance examples in my original post.

    I asked for more examples. And references. What I'm trying to avoid is the type of made up anecdotes that are common in these discussions. And develop a collection of bad arguments from both sides that help theists and atheists alike spot appeals to ignorance.
     
  7. Nicholas Deka

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    LOL propaganda... That's cool. Being invisible just emboldens me.
    Ssshh! Nobody tell him that his OP uses a made up anecdote, and just let my invisible post sit there right behind his discrediting him.
     
  8. DogmaHunter

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    What is "atheism of the gaps"??
     
  9. KCfromNC

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    Something made up by believers to distract from a lack of reasons to believe their claims?
     
  10. Eight Foot Manchild

    Eight Foot Manchild His Supreme Holy Correctfulness

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    A rectally-extracted non-concept.
     
  11. variant

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    I wish people weren't so down on the bodies waste removal system, which is elegant and effective, by comparing it to arguments like these that are stilted and feckless.
     
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