why dont you christians like mormons

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Originally posted by Apologist
And what "false doctrines" do Christians hold to?

The Mormons believe that:

1) Jesus is the spirit brother of Lucifer
2) That God was once a man and that we too can become gods
3) That there are 3 heavens and everyone makes it to at least the 1st heaven

Nothing in biblical Christianity is even remotely that heretical.

God bless

I am sorry I do not know what you believe... I am not sure any of the three listed above have anything to do with salvation.  or being Christian, in the biblical sense of the word.

One great false doctrine of American Christianity is the teaching thats says becoming like Jesus is not part of salvation. God wants all Christians to materialy prosper is another American doctrine.

Do you know of anything that says Jesus was not at some point in time  the Spirit brother of lucifer. He is my brother   now but I don't believe He has always been.

Jesus is God is a false doctrine, he is the Son of God.Please don't get me wrong, I think we have some wiggle room on this stuff.
 
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Originally posted by Apologist
The skin of the truth, stuffed with a deadly lie. That's another good analogy. :(

God bless

Wouldn't a "deadly" lie cause you to reject Jesus or blaspheme the Holy spirit?

The scriptures are fairly clear whan they teach men are called by the fathe, no one comes unless called.

we are not saved by doctrine
 
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Originally posted by Hojo Hominygrits
As I have said, I have gotten to know Mormon's all my life. I have also gotten to know what they believe. (When they'll actually tell you.) I didn't have to read "The God Makers" or "The Maze of Mormonism" to see that what my Mormon friends believe and what I believe are radically different.

I agree with Apologist. There are some very glaring differences between the Mormon doctrines and the doctrines that historic Christianity has held for 2000 years.

And again I'll say that recognizing and maintaining that our beliefs are different than the Mormons does not equate to hatred towards Mormons.

I agree with you, it also does nnot make them non-Christian in the biblical sense of the word.
 
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Originally posted by billhabing

One great false doctrine of American Christianity is the teaching thats says becoming like Jesus is not part of salvation. God wants all Christians to materialy prosper is another American doctrine.


I would agree.

Do you know of anything that says Jesus was not at some point in time  the Spirit brother of lucifer. He is my brother   now but I don't believe He has always been.

How can the Creator be ontologically equal with an angel He created?
That is ludicrous.

Jesus is God is a false doctrine, he is the Son of God.Please don't get me wrong, I think we have some wiggle room on this stuff.

No, that is not a false doctrine. Jesus is God. That is completely biblical and has been believed since the time of the Apostles.
 
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Originally posted by sulphur
Having been through infant school to university with a friend who is a mormon I cannot fault their acceptence of others and their readiness to help others.What if everybody was so kind.

That's a good point Sulphur, but that in no way means that we should accept their belief system which is extremely problematic.

God bless
 
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Yeah, its not that we don't like them. But there beliefs are false and they have another bible (2) that they follow that is including the bible. they don't completely follow just ONLY the bible. THey have there own seperate bible that has nothing to do with the bible. We as christians love mormons but we don't like there belief system!!! HOpe this helps.
 
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Originally posted by coolhandluke
Christians, at least not all of them, hate Mormans. Christians may think that they are involved in a false religion, but that doesn't equal hate.

-katie

Could you rephrase that Katie. I didn't understand your point.

Thanks

God bless
 
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Originally posted by Apologist
I would agree.



How can the Creator be ontologically equal with an angel He created?
That is ludicrous.



No, that is not a false doctrine. Jesus is God. That is completely biblical and has been believed since the time of the Apostles.

Would you please direct me to the scriptures that say Jesus is God.
 
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Originally posted by billhabing
Would you please direct me to the scriptures that say Jesus is God.

Here's some for starters:

John 1:1-14
John 5:17-21
John 8:54-59
John 14:8-9
John 20:26-29
Philippians 2:5-11
Colossians 1:13-16
Colossians 2:8-9
Titus 2:13
Hebrews 1:1-3
Hebrews 1:8-9
2 Peter 1:1
Revelation 1:17
Revelation 22:12-21
 
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Hi all!

Except for one major hiccup, Jews and mormons have generally gotten along very well. Brigham Young University opened a branch campus on the Mt. of Olives a while back & is scrupulously honoring its commitment not to proselytize (which it had to agree to as a condition for being allowed to open the branch). The small Jewish community in Utah (Salt Lake City & environs) has always gotten along very well with its Mormon neighbors (see <http://www.jta.org/page_view_story.asp?intarticleid=10836&intcategoryid=5>.

The major "hiccup" I referred to has to do with the Mormon practice of posthumous baptisms. The following is an article from Dec. 12, 2002:
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Mormons renew their vow
to stop baptizing deceased Jews
By Bill Gladstone

TORONTO, Dec. 12 (JTA) — A renewed vow from the Mormon Church to end
the practice of posthumously baptizing Jews has drawn a mixed reaction.

A Jewish official who met with church leaders this week believes the pledge is
meaningful, but skeptics are focusing on the fact that the church made a
similar vow seven years ago.

Church elders made the promise at a meeting Tuesday in New York, when
Jewish and Mormon officials discussed allegations that church members are
still baptizing many deceased Jews, including thousands of Holocaust victims.

Seven years after the church signed an agreement to do all it could to stop the
practice, new evidence emerged that the church’s vast International
Genealogical Index lists as many as 20,000 Holocaust victims — and perhaps
many more — all evidently baptized by proxy after their deaths.

Ernest Michel, a Holocaust survivor who in 1981 was chairman of the World
Gathering of Holocaust Survivors in Israel, notified church officials about the
renewed problem.

Church elders Monte Brough and D. Todd Christofferson traveled from Salt
Lake City to meet with him this week in New York.

During the meeting, the officials reaffirmed their intention to keep the 1995
agreement, “which means removing not only Holocaust victims, but all Jews
who have been posthumously baptized from the list,” Michel told JTA.

He added that in his opinion this intention “has never changed.”

Michel also said Jewish and church officials agreed to prepare a joint
memorandum outlining a procedure by which the church would remove all
Jewish names from the International Genealogical Index.

The parties will likely be in close consultation for several weeks, he added.

Meanwhile, the church issued a statement to make clear its willingness to
deal with Jewish concerns.

“When the church is made aware of documented concerns, action is taken in
compliance with the agreement,” Christofferson said in the statement, which
was released Wednesday.

At the same time, Christofferson alluded to the difficulty of the task.

“Removing the names of Holocaust victims and other known Jews from a data
base containing hundreds of millions of deceased persons is an ongoing,
labor-intensive process requiring name-by-name research,” he said in the
statement.

To judge by recent Internet chatter, however, some Jewish genealogists are
expressing strong doubts that a new agreement will solve the problem — and
they are discussing legal action.

“How will they know someone is Jewish when they are extracting names from
birth indexes, as they do on a weekly basis?" one Jewish researcher wrote.

“They didn’t know in the past,” the researcher added. “What changes will take
place in the future?”

Michel initiated an earlier round of negotiations with the church in 1995 after
discovering that his parents, who perished in the Holocaust, had been
posthumously inducted into the Mormon faith by zealous church workers acting
“out of love.”

After protracted negotiations with Jewish officials in 1995, the church removed
the names of 380,000 Holocaust victims from its database and agreed to work
to prevent church members from trying to convert deceased Jews who were
not related to them.

Church followers are required to research their own family trees and to submit
the names of their non-Mormon ancestors for baptism by proxy.

For each name submitted, a proxy is baptized in a Mormon temple.

Ignoring church policy, some zealous followers have culled names from a
wide variety of historical sources, including memorial books of Holocaust
victims from Central and Eastern Europe.

Helen Radkey, a genealogical researcher in Salt Lake City, recently conducted
a limited search in the International Genealogical Index’s computerized list of 2
billion names. She found some 20,000 Jewish-sounding names from Lodz,
Krakow, Bialystok and other former Jewish centers in Eastern Europe, and
asserts that many had belonged to Holocaust victims.

Radkey supplied the results of her research to Michel days before Tuesday’s
meeting.

“This issue is really important to me,” said Radkey, an Australian-born
Christian.

“The Jews have been treated badly by Christianity for 2,000 years. Any time
someone or something in the Christian world seems to imply that the Jewish
religion is inferior in some way, that is the bottom line for me. What the
Mormons are doing is not acceptable, and the Jews need to say something.”

Radkey and others contend that the 20,000 Jewish names are likely just the tip
of the iceberg.

“There may be hundreds of thousands of Jewish names in there,” said
Bernard Kouchel, a retired builder and Jewish genealogist in Fort Lauderdale,
Fla.

Having conducted his own search of the International Genealogical Index in
recent weeks, Kouchel found scores of notable Jews, including Rashi,
Maimonides, Menachem Begin, Irving Berlin, Samuel Bronfman, Marc Chagall,
Hank Greenberg, Irving Howe and Gilda Radner.

Such revelations have led to angry accusations in Jewish genealogical circles
that the church has done too little to uphold its seven-year-old agreement with
the Jewish community.

Some genealogists have characterized the practice of turning dead Jews into
Mormons as a brazen act that may obscure the historical record for future
generations.

Expressing outrage in recent days at the persistence of a practice that they
liken to the “forced conversion” of souls in the afterlife, some have hinted at the
possibility of a class action lawsuit for damages.

Few have been placated by the church’s explanation that deceased persons
may choose to accept or reject the baptism in the afterlife.

“From their point of view, it’s an article of faith, and from our point of view, it’s a
slap in the face,” said Rabbi Abraham Cooper, associate dean of the Simon
Wiesenthal Center in Los Angeles.

Some church officials have claimed that they cannot control the activities of all
of their members.

Brough, one of the elders at Tuesday’s meeting, has said that Mormons who
have submitted thousands of Jewish names for baptism intended only a
“Christian act of service” and acknowledged that their acts were “misguided
and insensitive.”

Jewish representatives now agree that the church must exert more control over
its flock.

“It’s clear that there has been no serious monitoring” of what goes into the
International Genealogical Index, said Cooper, who participated in
negotiations with church officials last year to remove more than 200 Jewish
names from the list, including those of Albert Einstein and David Ben-Gurion.

“This is something that keeps coming up, and the church is going to have to
find a better way to put closure on it,” he said.

Link: <http://www.jta.org/page_view_story.asp?intarticleid=12178&intcategoryid=2>
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We find the idea of Jews being posthumously baptized into the Mormon church to be deeply offensive in the extreme & cannot express our disgust, outrage & revulsion at this practice in strong enough terms. It takes the spiritual hounding of Jews to new lows; not even the grave is a refuge from over-zealous missionaries! But hopefully, ongoing dialogue will deal with this problem.

Be well!

ssv :wave:
 
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I for one think there a some mormons that are saved but..

They have added there own book. The bible makes it clear we are not supose to be hanging around people like that. Who do not believe that Jesus is the Son of God. You can not add to the word and still say "well we believe the same". Like Jehovah Witness where on the out side it would seem they believe the word. Yet they believe God created Jesus and Jesus was once an angel. I am not saying don't be there friend. I love them I tell them the truth if they say no then that's it. What does the word say when people like that come to your door? We need to remember Jesus loves everyone SO much. I will ALWAYS pray for them all..
 
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Originally posted by Blade
I for one think there a some mormons that are saved but..


Although I do not know their heart and it is the providence of the Holy Spirit alone, I find it hard to believe that a confessing Moromon could be truely saved. They have a different Jesus and a different God.
Jesus is God and is not the spirit brother of Lucifer as the Mormon's teach.
God is spirit and is not a man as Mormon's teach.
 
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At one point in his life, Muhammad himself questioned whether he was possessed by a demonic force. One of his wives convinced him it was Allah.
As God Almighty uses all things for His glory and purpose, I believe that He is allowing Islam to flourish and influence events in these final days.
Endgame: Jesus reigns. Glory!
 
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Originally posted by Blade
I for one think there a some mormons that are saved but..

They have added there own book. The bible makes it clear we are not supose to be hanging around people like that. Who do not believe that Jesus is the Son of God. You can not add to the word and still say "well we believe the same". Like Jehovah Witness where on the out side it would seem they believe the word. Yet they believe God created Jesus and Jesus was once an angel. I am not saying don't be there friend. I love them I tell them the truth if they say no then that's it. What does the word say when people like that come to your door? We need to remember Jesus loves everyone SO much. I will ALWAYS pray for them all..


In total agreement. It's some far out book too if you have any questions just read the book of Mormon. It's definitely not the bible.
 
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