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Featured Why doesn't the church practice/order kosher?

Discussion in 'General Theology' started by Cis.jd, Sep 9, 2019.

  1. Cis.jd

    Cis.jd Well-Known Member

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    What i mean by Kosher isn't including specific dietary laws in the OT but the "painless" slaughter of the animal.

    As Christians, especially us Catholics who rely on the traditions of the apostles. Since when did they abandon this Judeo-Christian teaching of humane animal slaughter. Since when did Jesus and Paul's allowing of eating any meats included the retirement of Kosher?

    Just watch farm to fridge, and then read Leviticus to the Talmud, how can the same God in Leviticus be ok with that?
     
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  2. dqhall

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    Paul allowed for Christians who ate only vegetables, but recognized people liked meat. The apostles did not want their followers to eat the meat of animals sacrificed to idols.

    Kosher law prohibits eating reptiles, pork, rabbit, camel, octopus, crabs etc. It is in the Talmud. Peter was shown a vision in Joppa that he might make an exception to Jewish law in order to enter the house of a Roman Gentile centurion named Cornelius. Peter preached the Gospel there in Caesarea.
     
  3. Cis.jd

    Cis.jd Well-Known Member

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    i'm talking about the slaughtering.
     
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  4. timothyu

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    Ask the Romans who in building the Gentile religion preferred not to equal (lower) themselves with Jewish standards.
     
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  5. timothyu

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    Well they are not too humane with those people killed by destabilization in other countries either. Otherwise that would be hypocrisy
     
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  6. redleghunter

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    I’ll join your fight once Americans stop slaughtering their own children in the womb.
     
  7. dzheremi

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    In the United States anyway, part of the problem seems to be economic: you can get the grass-fed, humanely treated beef for $14 a pound (or whatever), or you can get the frozen Tyson chicken pieces for half that. If you're on a tight budget and have a lot of family members to feed, or are a senior citizen or a disabled person on a fixed income, you can't really afford to eat humanely. The maximum monthly amount that such an individual can get in food assistance in California (arguably the most expensive state in which to live) is around $160 a month. That's $40 a week. It is possible for one person, but you need to be very frugal, so spending over a fourth of the weekly budget on one item is not a very good idea.

    I agree with you, OP (I was actually vegetarian for about a year and a half when I lived in New Mexico, while attending graduate school), but at the same time everyone must make choices, and in reality the prayer of thanksgiving which gives God the due glory for providing us with food is most important.
     
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  8. BobRyan

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    For many of us what the Bible says about food is right up there...with whatever traditions of men are saying about it.
     
  9. ViaCrucis

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    It's an ethically complex question without simple, or even a "right" answer. It's why things like this are fundamentally a matter of personal freedom of conscience. Placing an ecclesiastical "rule" on this would be moralistic and oppressive.

    However, if we really want to see things better on this front, then there are several factors involved. As dzheremi points out, a lot of this is an economic issue.

    On the one hand putting pressure on improved farming standards would definitely be a good thing I think. Industrialized farming practices are immensely cruel to animals; but it also means cheaper animal protein. So if the government were to put pressure and enforce more human farming practices this would be a good thing as far as those farming practices are concerned. The flip-side of that is economics, it would absolutely mean that the prices for meat would go up. And the pressures which the poor have are already fairly drastic.

    As such it can't just be changing farming practices, it also means improving the economic and social conditions for millions of people. A lot of the processed, cheap foods we consume are often by necessity--a lack of access to proper nutrition is a very real situation that millions of people find themselves in. Impoverished families living in the inner city can't just go to the local farmer's market to buy organic tomatoes and free range chicken eggs. That's why I say both economic and social conditions. It's both a matter of improving the economic situation (so that people can purchase food) as well as changing and improving social conditions in order to provide access to that food.

    So it's a two-pronged issue of both lifting up the poor and the conditions of the impoverished as well as top-down pressures to drastically change farming practices.

    In the meantime people have to eat to live, and we must endure with the present circumstances of life in which we find ourselves. And so, again, a lot of this has to come down purely to a matter of conscience. And even in saying this, it's frequent that not everyone necessarily has the luxury of conscience on matters like this. If I'm a single working mom struggling to feed my kids, I may not have the luxury of conscientious eating--my kids need food and I have to make that happen.

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  10. Cristo Rei

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    Do you realize that the church and the farming industry are two very different systems.
    Neither has any power over the other.
     
  11. timothyu

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    But sheep are sheep in either category
     
  12. dqhall

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    I am on a primarily plant based diet as a recent CT scan showed calcification of two of five arteries at age 60. This means arteriosclerosis set in. Plant based diet people were more likely to be thin and have lower blood pressure.

    When I was younger I ate large quantities of meat. That was a mistake. Now I like whole grains, beans, lentils, vegetables, fruit and occasionally fish.
     
  13. Cis.jd

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    yup. But this isn't a problem with Jews and Muslims, they still have kosher or halal.

    I'm asking more about it being a religious necessity to us christians, as it is with the other Abrahamic cultures, most importantly Judaism since we come from that. I don't see anywhere in the Bible where God retires humane slaughtering of animals.
     
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    Here is a clip (mods are free to take it down if it is against the rules)



    After reading Leviticus, and also understanding why Jews believe strongly in Kosher as a commandment from God, wouldn't God consider eating meats that have been slaughtered so cruelly to be a sin?
     
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  15. Cristo Rei

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    Oh man... That is one graphic video but it needs to be viewed so that we understand what your talking about. There is no way known God would be pleased with that.
    I can't believe out of all the Christian denominations, none of them ever spoke up about this, allowing it to continue.
    I'm going to investigate further and then try find a way to source meat that is not miss treated like that.
     
  16. LaBèlla

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    Purchasing directly from the farmer is more economical. Especially when you buy in bulk. Most will sell the animal in portions ranging from 1/8 to the full carcass.

    Prices are determined by hanging or finished weight. And oftentimes you have input on the cuts. The meat is flash frozen and vacu-sealed.

    Price wise, it’s best to pool your resources if possible. For smaller households, a monthly CSA meat share is an alternative but bulk is cheapest overall.
     
  17. Cristo Rei

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    Cis.jd. I have to seriously evaluate what I eat now.
    The dairy/veal industry is so cruel. Why don't they knock out the animal first before bleeding it. If u think Islam or the Jews are any better watch these videos.
    Kosher slaughter and Halal slaughter ain't any better.



     
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  18. timothyu

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    Slashing a throat seems humane to me. lol Of course the original purpose of bleeding the animal is often overlooked. Today bleeding also seems to have been increasingly left out of the meat processing industry, as most meat bought today is still full of the stuff unlike in years past.
     
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    Cis.jd. Apparently the Jewish and Islamic abattoirs are even more cruel.
    Our guys knock out the animal first.
    The Muslims and Jews require the animal to be bled out while conscious.
     
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