Why doesnt creationism need any data?

[AV1611VET]

There is data though. All of the Universe is data. The ratio of isotopes in rocks is data. The genetic markers in genomes is data. Everything we can measure and observe is data. This data is inconsistent with a young universe, special creation, and a recent global flood.

Only someone with their eyes shut, ears closed, and touch numbed would claim that there is no data.

If there was so much data, you wouldn't be an agnostic, would you?

In other words, I don't believe you.

 

[Loudmouth]

If there was so much data, you wouldn't be an agnostic, would you?

I shed the agnostic label years ago. Perhaps I should change it here as well.

In other words, I don't believe you.

You don't need to believe me. Look at the data.

 

[Nostromo]

If there was so much data, you wouldn't be an agnostic, would you?

In other words, I don't believe you.

I think being an agnostic is perfectly justifiable on the basis that none of that data is necessarily relevant to the question of gods. It might rule out the Christian God, or rather a YEC understanding, but that's just one of many possibilities.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Originally Posted by Loudmouth There is data though. All of the Universe is data. The ratio of isotopes in rocks is data. The genetic markers in genomes is data. Everything we can measure and observe is data. This data is inconsistent with a young universe, special creation, and a recent global flood.

Only someone with their eyes shut, ears closed, and touch numbed would claim that there is no data.

How recent is recent?

http://www.christianforums.com/t3894240/
Evidence for a global flood

What sort of geologic evidence is there for a global flood? Please do not deviate off into tangents about evolution. This is strictly about geology.

The Genesis Flood: Why the Bible Says It Must be Local

When you read an English translation of the biblical account of the flood, you will undoubtedly notice many words and verses that seem to suggest that the waters covered all of planet earth.However, one should note that today we look at everything from a global perspective, whereas the Bible nearly always refers to local geography.

You may not be able to determine this fact from our English translations, so we will look at the original Hebrew, which is the word of God. The Hebrew words which are translated as "whole earth" or "all the earth" are kol (Strong's number H3605), which means "all," and erets (Strong's number H776), which means "earth," "land," "country," or "ground."4 We don't need to look very far in Genesis (Genesis 2) before we find the Hebrew words kol erets.

 

[MoonLancer]

If there was so much data, you wouldn't be an agnostic, would you?

In other words, I don't believe you.

Creationists have major envy it seems. They keep trying to pretend they practice science.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Creationists have major envy it seems. They keep trying to pretend they practice science.

Phil makes no pretence on how he views science

"SCIENCE CAN TAKE A HIKE"

 

[MoonLancer]

Phil makes no pretence on how he views science

"SCIENCE CAN TAKE A HIKE"

Phil can have fun without clean water and medicine if he thinks that "SCIENCE CAN TAKE A HIKE".

 

[Nathan Poe]

Creationists have major envy it seems. They keep trying to pretend they practice science.

The envy is greater than that -- they want to be important and respected in the world, but don't realize that the best way to do that is to produce something useful.

 

[AV1611VET]

I think being an agnostic is perfectly justifiable on the basis that none of that data is necessarily relevant to the question of gods.

Then don't tell me there's data and expect me to believe you.

I've been saying this for over five years, and I'll continue to say it:

There is no data in existence that points to creatio ex nihilo in Genesis 1.

 

[AV1611VET]

Creationists have major envy it seems. They keep trying to pretend they practice science.

Not this creationist.

 

[AV1611VET]

Phil makes no pretence on how he views science

"SCIENCE CAN TAKE A HIKE"

 

[AV1611VET]

Phil can have fun without clean water and medicine if he thinks that "SCIENCE CAN TAKE A HIKE".

Oh, I think my Boolean standards can make allowances for clean water and medicine.

 

[Nostromo]

Is that part of the Hypocritic Oath?

 

[MoonLancer]

Not this creationist.

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[MoonLancer]

Oh, I think my Boolean standards can make allowances for clean water and medicine.

Of course. people who say one thing then do another are quite fond of Booleans

 

[selfinflikted]

There is no data in existence that points to creatio ex nihilo in Genesis 1.

Which is exactly why I don't believe it.

 

[Loudmouth]

How recent is recent?

Last 100,000 years would be good.

There is no evidence of a global flood in the last 100,000 years. However, this doesn't stop young earth creationists from claiming that there was a recent global flood some 4,000 years ago. You would think that they would need data to back this up, wouldn't they?

When you read an English translation of the biblical account of the flood, you will undoubtedly notice many words and verses that seem to suggest that the waters covered all of planet earth.However, one should note that today we look at everything from a global perspective, whereas the Bible nearly always refers to local geography.

Actually, the Noah myth is a retelling of the much older Babylonian myth. Perhaps you are missing the cultural context of the flood myth.

 

[Split Rock]

Oh, I think my Boolean standards can make allowances for clean water and medicine.

Just remember... you'll have to do away with all that when you and the others move into the "Creationists Only" cave on the uninhabited island in the Pacific!

 

[AV1611VET]

Just remember... you'll have to do away with all that when you and the others move into the "Creationists Only" cave on the uninhabited island in the Pacific!

I gotta secret stash there; flown in ahead of time!

 

[FrenchyBearpaw]

Oh, I think my Boolean standards can make allowances for clean water and medicine.

Do your "Boolean standards" make allowances for your wife being in the same room with you when she's menstruating?