Why doesnt creationism need any data?

[Nathan Poe]

The Catholic Church has had no input into most of the translations of the New Testament.

Which is why they fought so zealously to surpress them -- can't have the people reading "unsanctioned" Bibles, now can we? God only knows what they'll learn.


As for the OT's "errors," not only did the Church have no interest in "correcting" them, but they couldn't as long as the rightful owners -- people would would've brought their creative editing to light -- still walked the Earth.

Which goes a long way to explain their historical enmity towards the Jews, doesn't it?

 

[SkyWriting]

Which is why they fought so zealously to surpress them -- can't have the people reading "unsanctioned" Bibles, now can we? God only knows what they'll learn. As for the OT's "errors," not only did the Church have no interest in "correcting" them, but they couldn't as long as the rightful owners -- people would would've brought their creative editing to light -- still walked the Earth.Which goes a long way to explain their historical enmity towards the Jews, doesn't it?

Your disdain for the CC and it's past is irrelevant. Some sections of our current scriptures were accurately reproduced MS Carbon-dated at 50-200 BC. The accuracy lends support for the claim that little modification has ever taken place. Also supporting this is the lack of variation in 20,000 hand written copies of the Bible spanning 1500 years of authorship.

"The New Testament is an anthology, a collection of works written at different times by various authors. In almost all Christian traditions today, the New Testament consists of 27 books. The original texts were written beginning around AD 50 in Koine Greek, the lingua franca of the eastern part of the Roman Empire where they were composed. All of the works which would eventually be incorporated into the New Testament would seem to have been written no later than the mid-2nd century.[2]"

 

[Nathan Poe]

Your disdain for the CC and it's past is irrelevant.

My "disdain" for the organization which compiled and for millenia controlled the book which creationism is based on is irrelevant? My, you are amusing...

Some sections of our current scriptures were accurately reproduced MS Carbon-dated at 50-200 BC.

Which sections of the Old Testament would those be, and what relevance are they to creationism?

The accuracy lends support for the claim that little modification has ever taken place.

I never claimed any modification ever took place between 50-200 BC and today -- did you?

Also supporting this is the lack of variation in 20,000 hand written copies of the Bible spanning 1500 years of authorship.

Which, when one written copy is, as we both agree, copied from the previous one, is to be expected.

How any of this is relevant to the issues at hand is an utter mystery, but I suspect clarification will come shortly.

"The New Testament is an anthology, a collection of works written at different times by various authors. In almost all Christian traditions today, the New Testament consists of 27 books. The original texts were written beginning around AD 50 in Koine Greek, the lingua franca of the eastern part of the Roman Empire where they were composed. All of the works which would eventually be incorporated into the New Testament would seem to have been written no later than the mid-2nd century.[2]"

And have I said anything whatsoever to contradict any of this?

 

[AV1611VET]

Creationism doesn't use data because having none they have learned to live without it.

I wasn't aware we were required to present any data, since none exists.

QV please: 1

 

[selfinflikted]

I wasn't aware we were required to present any data, since none exists.

QV please: 1

You are not required. But your beliefs will continue to be questioned since you hold them without evidence.

 

[AV1611VET]

You are not required. But your beliefs will continue to be questioned since you hold them without evidence.

It's not so much the questions, as what happens afterward.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

It's not so much the questions, as what happens afterward.

Since the Judeans couldn't answer this question by Jesus in Mark 11, he then began to speak to them in parables

http://www.olivetree.com/cgi-bin/EnglishBible.htm

NKJV) Mark 11:29 But Jesus answered and said to them, "I also will ask you one question; then answer Me, and I will tell you by what authority I do these things:
33 So they answered and said to Jesus, "We do not know." And Jesus answered and said to them, "Neither will I tell you by what authority I do these things."
Mark 12:1 Then He began to speak to them in parables:

 

[sandwiches]

I wasn't aware we were required to present any data, since none exists.

QV please: 1

You keep saying this but how do you know there is no evidence for creating something out of nothing?

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

You keep saying this but how do you know there is no evidence for creating something out of nothing?

Good question

http://www.christianforums.com/t3860585/
What would be the evidence for ex nihilo creation?

Some contend that God created the universe ex nihilo (out of nothing) --- could evidence be shown?

 

[sandwiches]

Good question

http://www.christianforums.com/t3860585/
What would be the evidence for ex nihilo creation?

I wonder too. Would there be any evidence left behind when God created things out of nothing?

 

[selfinflikted]

I wonder too. Would there be any evidence left behind when God created things out of nothing?

I don't see how. Especially if he didn't want there to be any.

 

[AV1611VET]

You keep saying this but how do you know there is no evidence for creating something out of nothing?

I'm waiting for you guys to tell me what that would be.

 

[AV1611VET]

Good question

http://www.christianforums.com/t3860585/
What would be the evidence for ex nihilo creation?

WOW, bro! How'd you dig that out of mothballs!?

 

[AV1611VET]

I wonder too. Would there be any evidence left behind when God created things out of nothing?

Nothing generated would mean nothing left behind.

 

[FrenchyBearpaw]

Nothing generated would mean nothing left behind.

Why??

 

[sandwiches]

I'm waiting for you guys to tell me what that would be.

How should anyone know what evidence there would be?

 

[AV1611VET]

Why??

What do you mean, 'why'? why what?

Nothing generated = nothing to leave behind.

 

[AV1611VET]

How should anyone know what evidence there would be?

You mean "should be"?

Nothing generated = nothing that should, would, or could be left behind.

(C'mon "scientists", get with the program here.)

 

[Loudmouth]

You mean "should be"?

Nothing generated = nothing that should, would, or could be left behind.

(C'mon "scientists", get with the program here.)

There is data though. All of the Universe is data. The ratio of isotopes in rocks is data. The genetic markers in genomes is data. Everything we can measure and observe is data. This data is inconsistent with a young universe, special creation, and a recent global flood.

Only someone with their eyes shut, ears closed, and touch numbed would claim that there is no data.

 

[FrenchyBearpaw]

You mean "should be"?

Nothing generated = nothing that should, would, or could be left behind.

(C'mon "scientists", get with the program here.)

So god didn't generate anything?