Why doesnt creationism need any data?

[Timothew]

Haeckel produced several embryo drawings that often overemphasized similarities between embryos of related species. The misinformation was propagated through many biology textbooks, and popular knowledge, even today. Modern biology rejects the literal and universal form of Haeckel's theory.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Recapitulation_theory

 

[FaithPrevails]

Creationism is based on proof that Adam and Eve had no belly buttons.

Or, maybe that was just a joke my dad told once.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Science has nothing to do with Creation.
Steps of the Scientific Method

I tend to agree.
Btw, how many Christian scientists are there in the world?

http://www.eliyah.com/lexicon.html

Blue Letter Bible - Search Results for NIV
"creation"
occurs 25 times in 25 verses in the NIV

Blue Letter Bible - Lexicon
Strong's Number G2937 matches the Greek κτίσις (ktisis), which occurs 19 times in 19 verses in the Greek concordance

Young) Revelation 3:14 `And to the messenger of the assembly of the Laodiceans write: These things saith the Amen, the witness--the faithful and true--the chief of the creation/ktisewV <2937> of God;

2937. ktisis ktis'-is from 2936; original formation (properly, the act; by implication, the thing, literally or figuratively):--building, creation, creature, ordinance.

 

[sandwiches]

You mean "should be"?

Nothing generated = nothing that should, would, or could be left behind.

(C'mon "scientists", get with the program here.)

Reread tghe question I posed:

You keep saying this but how do you know there is no evidence for creating something out of nothing?

So, there's obviously something left behind: What was created. So, I ask again: How do we know what evidence would be left behind from creating something out of nothing?

 

[SkyWriting]

Let's play more word games! How about this one:
Christianity is based on an unobserved god and is being passed off as a legitimate religion.
Now you pretend that you agree with that statement, and there are no negative implications.

And the Lord disagrees:
Romans 1:20 For since the creation of the world God's invisible qualities--his eternal power and divine nature--have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that men are without excuse.

James 1:27 Religion that God our Father accepts as pure and faultless is this: to look after orphans and widows in their distress and to keep oneself from being polluted by the world.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Creationism is based on proof that Adam and Eve had no belly buttons.

Or, maybe that was just a joke my dad told once.

I never thought about that

http://www.christianforums.com/t1330863/
Did Adam and Eve have a belly button?

http://www.christianforums.com/t2222947-6/#post19259741
Did Adam and Eve have Belly Buttons???? hmmm ever wonder

 

[FaithPrevails]

LLoJ!

 

[Timothew]

Christians during the time of Isaac Newton might only have been Christians because they knew better than to say they were not Christians (like most of the politicians in the US today) because they were surrounded by superstitious people who knew no better, why do you think Darwin delayed the publishing of his book? because he knew it would upset people and in particular his wife.
America today is in the same position Darwin and Newton were in 150 years ago but thankfully as they did in the UK things are changing in the US for the better, superstitions and myths are being left behind.

Do you for one minute think that Newtons Christianity had anything to do with his science? had he let it we all know that it would have held him back not helped him.

I'm saying Christians should not be disqualified from science just because they are Christians. I am reacting against the boast "Leave the science to us".

Do you think for one minute that Newton's Theory is invalid just because he was a Christian?

 

[SkyWriting]

I tend to agree.
Btw, how many Christian scientists are there in the world?

According to AAAS, there were 5.8 million science and engineering researchers in 2006.
How many are Christian? 30-60% is my quick guess.

 

[SkyWriting]

Creationism is based on proof that Adam and Eve had no belly buttons. Or, maybe that was just a joke my dad told once.

Because of the word "Proof" that makes it a good joke.

 

[SkyWriting]

Creationism is based on children's stories people have carried with them into adulthood, either that or as adults they would prefer to remain as children, or they enjoyed being children so much they don't want to grow up, or their education has been so lacking they are unable to grow up, or they are so confused they find it easier to go with the flow and not think about it, ignorance certainly seems to be the hallmark of creationism.

I might agree if any of that was my experience, or if you had any data to support your theory. But your post fails on both points.

 

[lanie_0913]

I never thought about that

http://www.christianforums.com/t1330863/
Did Adam and Eve have a belly button?

http://www.christianforums.com/t2222947-6/#post19259741
Did Adam and Eve have Belly Buttons???? hmmm ever wonder

always made people think... hahaha
Here's what I think...
If God DOES have belly button, maybe Adam & Eve have too...
They are created in the image & likeness of God right?
(oh dont crucify me...)

Honestly, maybe they do not have one... you'll only get that if you come from your mother's womb... haix... another question to ask God...
I'd better write them down for me to to forget

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Because of the word "Proof" that makes it a good joke.

The proof is in the signs

Luke 11:29 Of the yet throngs being convened, He begins to be saying "the wicked generation, this, is seeking a Sign and a Sign not shall be being given to it except the Sign of Jonah the Prophet.
30 For according as became Jonah a Sign to the Ninevites, thus shall also the Son of the Man to the generation this.

Young) 1 Corinthians 1:22 Since also Jews ask for a sign and Greeks seek wisdom, [Luke 11:29]

http://www.christianforums.com/t7405089-4/#post53043894
What the sign?

Sign, Sign, Everywhere a Sign-Five Man Electric Band-NOW - YouTube

 

[Timothew]

Creationism is based on children's stories people have carried with them into adulthood, either that or as adults they would prefer to remain as children, or they enjoyed being children so much they don't want to grow up, or their education has been so lacking they are unable to grow up, or they are so confused they find it easier to go with the flow and not think about it, ignorance certainly seems to be the hallmark of creationism.

Very nice and overly simplistic explanation.

Ignorance is the hallmark of evolution. Read all about Haeckel's Law in college textbooks. Textbook publishers know that the Recapulation Theory is false, but they still print it as if it were true, hoping that people remain ignorant about Earnst Haeckel.

It would be easier to go with the flow and believe in evolution. Then you would think I am intellegent. However, since I am not confused, I refuse to do that.

Your post is childish. What did expect?

 

[SkyWriting]

Christians during the time of Isaac Newton might only have been Christians because they knew better than to say they were not Christians (like most of the politicians in the US today) because they were surrounded by superstitious people who knew no better, why do you think Darwin delayed the publishing of his book? because he knew it would upset people and in particular his wife. America today is in the same position Darwin and Newton were in 150 years ago but thankfully as they did in the UK things are changing in the US for the better, superstitions and myths are being left behind. Do you for one minute think that Newtons Christianity had anything to do with his science? Had he let it we all know that it would have held him back not helped him.

"We all" don't agree with you. There is evidence in the writings of the Great founders of Modern and ancient Science that their faith was the strongest factor in their research.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Originally Posted by SkyWriting How many are Christian? 30-60% is my quick guess.

But not the ones named Steve.

I shortened my given birth name "Stephen" to "Steve", as too many times I would be asked 'is that with a "ph" or "v"'

http://www.christianforums.com/t7588224/#post58419173
Was Stephen a liar? or a prophet?

 

[FaithPrevails]

always made people think... hahaha
Here's what I think...
If God DOES have belly button, maybe Adam & Eve have too...
They are created in the image & likeness of God right?
(oh dont crucify me...)

Honestly, maybe they do not have one... you'll only get that if you come from your mother's womb... haix... another question to ask God...
I'd better write them down for me to to forget

I just had this image of standing before God with a long list of questions. Kinda like this:

 

[Split Rock]

The fact is that I don't care what you believe.
I'm just telling you what I don't believe.
The turtle thing is just one more thing I don't believe without proof.
Anyone can claim "It's turtles all the way down". Until it's proven, let me be.
Anyone can claim the species originated by natural slelection. Don't think I'm ignorant because I'm waiting for proof.

There is plenty of evidence. My point was that if you are waiting for evolution to be overturned, you will be waiting a very long time.

Believe what you want. I don't care. I won't mock you, and I expect that you won't mock me. You say "a little knowledge is a dangerous thing". But I'm expected to believe a theory based on very little knowledge. No thanks, don't hold your breath.

Then learn more about it. I suggest you start here: Understanding Evolution This is a very good website, which I recommend.

Obviously not! Since that was not my only response.
Are you really sure that you are a scientist? Your thinking seems to be a little muddled.

It was your first response, and it made no sense. Please don't tell me my thinking is muddled, friend.

 

[Split Rock]

I'm saying Christians should not be disqualified from science just because they are Christians. I am reacting against the boast "Leave the science to us".

Do you think for one minute that Newton's Theory is invalid just because he was a Christian?

My point was that non-scientists should not assume they are qualified to tell scientists what is "legitimate" science and what is not. (see my thread: "I'm not an expert, BUT....") Where you got the idea I was referring to Christians specifically is beyond me. The vast majority of Christian sceintists have no issue with the theory of evolution.

 

[SkyWriting]

But not the ones named Steve.

There is no good data on how "Steves" are proportioned throughout society and if there is a random distribution or a highly skewed one among differing societal groups.