LDS Why does the Mormon Quad contridict about GOD

[Of the Kingdom]

All anyone is seeing right now is you trying to shill your own site.

That's not going to get people interested in continuing to debate with you.

He has been quoting a lot of the major points on the site. Are you going to tell us you don't believe there is more than one God? Are you going to tell us you believe there is no God but the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit? I would be so pleased if you renounce the errors he is documenting.

According to his site, the Bible says,

Isaiah 43:11 before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me. I, even I, am the LORD; and beside me there is no savior.

. Do you agree? There is no God but one, who exists as three persons. The one triune God we worship is the chief Elohim, Yahweh (Jehovah), and Holy Spirit.

The sole God of heaven declares,

Isa 44:8 I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God

. Is He the only one, as He says? A secondary, less important question is, did Joseph Smith write any claims there is another God prior to 1835?

 

[mmksparbud]

Yes--they believe there is only one God---of this world--there are endless gods of other worlds.

 

[Christian Apologist]

I have already pointed out some of them. We don't believe in many of the things you say we believe.

I can document anyone of my blogs

 

[He is the way]

I can document anyone of my blogs

You say that the Journal of Discourses is doctrine, but it is not doctrine.

"Questions have been raised about the accuracy of some transcriptions. Modern technology and processes were not available for verifying the accuracy of transcriptions, and some significant mistakes have been documented. The Journal of Discourses includes interesting and insightful teachings by early Church leaders; however, by itself it is not an authoritative source of Church doctrine."
From: Journal of Discourses

 

[Christian Apologist]

You say that the Journal of Discourses is doctrine, but it is not doctrine.

"Questions have been raised about the accuracy of some transcriptions. Modern technology and processes were not available for verifying the accuracy of transcriptions, and some significant mistakes have been documented. The Journal of Discourses includes interesting and insightful teachings by early Church leaders; however, by itself it is not an authoritative source of Church doctrine."
From: Journal of Discourses

“The Journal of Discourses deservedly ranks as one of the standard works of the Church, and every rightminded Saint will certainly welcome with joy every number (issue) as it comes forth.“ (President George Q. Cannon, Journal of Discourses, Preface, Volume 8.)

“Each successive Volume of these Discourses is a rich mine of wealth, containing gems of great value, and the diligent seeker will find ample reward for his labor. After the fathers and mothers of this generation have made them the study of their lives their children’s children will find that they are still unexhausted, and rejoice that this Record has been handed down from their fathers to also aid them in following the way of life.” (Apostle Orson Pratt, Preface. Volume 3.)

“It is impossible to give monetary value to the past volumes of this publication, … Those who read the utterances of the servants of God, contained in this book, under the same influence by which the speakers were inspired, cannot fail to receive profit from the perusal.” (President Joseph F. Smith, Preface, Volume 18.)

“We take great pleasure in presenting to the Saints and the world the … the Journal of Discourses, which they will find contains rich treasures of information concerning the glorious principles of Eternal Life, as revealed through God’s anointed servants in these last days. All who read the discourses contained in this Volume are earnestly recommended to adapt them to their lives by practice, and we can confidently assure them that, in doing so, they are laying up a store of knowledge that will save and exalt them in the Celestial kingdom.” (Apostle Albert Carrington, Journal of Discourses, Preface, Volume 15.)

"I say now, when they [his discourses] are copied and approved by me they are as good Scripture as is couched in this Bible . . . " (Journal of Discourses, vol. 13, p. 264; see also p. 95).

"The Journal of Discourses is A VEHICLE OF DOCTRINE, counsel, and instruction to ALL people, but especially to the Saints. It follows then, then, [sic] that each successive volume is MORE AND MORE VALUABLE as the Church increases in numbers and importance in the earth." Journal of Discourses, vol. 11, p. iii (1867)

 

[He is the way]

“The Journal of Discourses deservedly ranks as one of the standard works of the Church, and every rightminded Saint will certainly welcome with joy every number (issue) as it comes forth.“ (President George Q. Cannon, Journal of Discourses, Preface, Volume 8.)

“Each successive Volume of these Discourses is a rich mine of wealth, containing gems of great value, and the diligent seeker will find ample reward for his labor. After the fathers and mothers of this generation have made them the study of their lives their children’s children will find that they are still unexhausted, and rejoice that this Record has been handed down from their fathers to also aid them in following the way of life.” (Apostle Orson Pratt, Preface. Volume 3.)

“It is impossible to give monetary value to the past volumes of this publication, … Those who read the utterances of the servants of God, contained in this book, under the same influence by which the speakers were inspired, cannot fail to receive profit from the perusal.” (President Joseph F. Smith, Preface, Volume 18.)

“We take great pleasure in presenting to the Saints and the world the … the Journal of Discourses, which they will find contains rich treasures of information concerning the glorious principles of Eternal Life, as revealed through God’s anointed servants in these last days. All who read the discourses contained in this Volume are earnestly recommended to adapt them to their lives by practice, and we can confidently assure them that, in doing so, they are laying up a store of knowledge that will save and exalt them in the Celestial kingdom.” (Apostle Albert Carrington, Journal of Discourses, Preface, Volume 15.)

"I say now, when they [his discourses] are copied and approved by me they are as good Scripture as is couched in this Bible . . . " (Journal of Discourses, vol. 13, p. 264; see also p. 95).

"The Journal of Discourses is A VEHICLE OF DOCTRINE, counsel, and instruction to ALL people, but especially to the Saints. It follows then, then, [sic] that each successive volume is MORE AND MORE VALUABLE as the Church increases in numbers and importance in the earth." Journal of Discourses, vol. 11, p. iii (1867)

Perhaps you didn't read my post. Please pay attention!

The Journal of Discourses is not an official publication of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. It is a compilation of sermons and other materials from the early years of the Church, which were transcribed and then published. It included some doctrinal instruction but also practical teaching, some of which is speculative in nature and some of which is only of historical interest.

The content of the Journal of Discourses was transcribed, sometimes inaccurately, and published between 1854 and 1886 in England. The compilation contains some statements of doctrine as well as other materials of interest to Latter-day Saints who lived far from the center of the Church, including speeches given for a variety of occasions, funeral addresses, reports from returning missionaries, prayers, and the proceedings of a trial. The Journal of Discourses was produced under the guidance of those who transcribed the materials, including George D. Watt, David W. Evans, and George W. Gibbs.

Skilled in the use of shorthand, George D. Watt had transcribed many conferences and sermons for the Deseret News. He received little pay for his work. Since the Deseret News was not generally available outside of the United States, Watt proposed to Brigham Young the idea of publishing these materials on a subscription basis. Such a plan would make the materials available to more Saints and allow Watt to earn a living with his work. President Brigham Young supported the plan, and a letter from the First Presidency was included in the first volume encouraging Church members to cooperate in the “purchase and sale” of the journal.

Questions have been raised about the accuracy of some transcriptions. Modern technology and processes were not available for verifying the accuracy of transcriptions, and some significant mistakes have been documented. The Journal of Discourses includes interesting and insightful teachings by early Church leaders; however, by itself it is not an authoritative source of Church doctrine.
FROM: Journal of Discourses

WE DO NOT USE THE JOURNAL OF DISCOURSES AS DOCTRINE! I REPEAT WE DO NOT USE THE JOURNAL OF DISCOURSES AS DOCTRINE! WHEN YOU STATE THAT IT IS DOCTRINE YOU ARE NOT TELLING THE TRUTH. DO YOU ALSO BELIEVE THAT THE GOSPEL OF JUDAS IS PART OF THE DOCTRINE THAT YOU BELIEVE?????

 

[Christian Apologist]

Perhaps you didn't read my post. Please pay attention!

The Journal of Discourses is not an official publication of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. It is a compilation of sermons and other materials from the early years of the Church, which were transcribed and then published. It included some doctrinal instruction but also practical teaching, some of which is speculative in nature and some of which is only of historical interest.

The content of the Journal of Discourses was transcribed, sometimes inaccurately, and published between 1854 and 1886 in England. The compilation contains some statements of doctrine as well as other materials of interest to Latter-day Saints who lived far from the center of the Church, including speeches given for a variety of occasions, funeral addresses, reports from returning missionaries, prayers, and the proceedings of a trial. The Journal of Discourses was produced under the guidance of those who transcribed the materials, including George D. Watt, David W. Evans, and George W. Gibbs.

Skilled in the use of shorthand, George D. Watt had transcribed many conferences and sermons for the Deseret News. He received little pay for his work. Since the Deseret News was not generally available outside of the United States, Watt proposed to Brigham Young the idea of publishing these materials on a subscription basis. Such a plan would make the materials available to more Saints and allow Watt to earn a living with his work. President Brigham Young supported the plan, and a letter from the First Presidency was included in the first volume encouraging Church members to cooperate in the “purchase and sale” of the journal.

Questions have been raised about the accuracy of some transcriptions. Modern technology and processes were not available for verifying the accuracy of transcriptions, and some significant mistakes have been documented. The Journal of Discourses includes interesting and insightful teachings by early Church leaders; however, by itself it is not an authoritative source of Church doctrine.

WE DO NOT USE THE JOURNAL OF DISCOURSES AS DOCTRINE! I REPEAT WE DO NOT USE THE JOURNAL OF DISCOURSES AS DOCTRINE! WHEN YOU STATE THAT IT IS DOCTRINE YOU ARE NOT TELLING THE TRUTH. DO YOU ALSO BELIEVE THAT THE GOSPEL OF JUDAS IS PART OF THE DOCTRINE THAT YOU BELIEVE?????

The problem with locating Mormon Doctrine is found in this video​

 

[He is the way]

The problem with locating Mormon Doctrine is found in this video​

Do you subscribe to the gospel of Judas?

 

[mmksparbud]

Sad but true! Everything is not official!!

 

[mmksparbud]

Do you subscribe to the gospel of Judas?

The gospel of Judas is not proclaimed as one of the 66 books of the bible. Judas is not proclaimed in the gospels as an apostle. You books, even when written by one of your prophets, including JS and BY&---are not offici9al---0so why does your church print all this stuff that is not official Why are the books themselves not obviously labeled---not official? Why does a book entitled "Mormon doctrine" put out by your church called not official? if YOU CAN'T TRUST YOU OWN PROPOHETS TOL BE OFFCIAL---WHY BELIEVE IN ANYTHING THEY SAY AT ALL??

 

[Christian Apologist]

Do you subscribe to the gospel of Judas?

Does that Gospel explain Mormon Doctrine ? ​

 

[He is the way]

The gospel of Judas is not proclaimed as one of the 66 books of the bible. Judas is not proclaimed in the gospels as an apostle. You books, even when written by one of your prophets, including JS and BY&---are not offici9al---0so why does your church print all this stuff that is not official Why are the books themselves not obviously labeled---not official? Why does a book entitled "Mormon doctrine" put out by your church called not official? if YOU CAN'T TRUST YOU OWN PROPOHETS TOL BE OFFCIAL---WHY BELIEVE IN ANYTHING THEY SAY AT ALL??

You said: "Judas is not proclaimed in the gospels as an apostle."
(New Testament | Matthew 10:2 - 4)

2 Now the names of the twelve apostles are these; The first, Simon, who is called Peter, and Andrew his brother; James the son of Zebedee, and John his brother;
3 Philip, and Bartholomew; Thomas, and Matthew the publican; James the son of Alphæus, and Lebbæus, whose surname was Thaddæus;
4 Simon the Canaanite, and Judas Iscariot, who also betrayed him.

Do you believe that every word spoken by a prophet is revelation from God?

 

[He is the way]

Does that Gospel explain Mormon Doctrine ? ​

I asked first.

 

[Christian Apologist]

You said: "Judas is not proclaimed in the gospels as an apostle."
(New Testament | Matthew 10:2 - 4)

2 Now the names of the twelve apostles are these; The first, Simon, who is called Peter, and Andrew his brother; James the son of Zebedee, and John his brother;
3 Philip, and Bartholomew; Thomas, and Matthew the publican; James the son of Alphæus, and Lebbæus, whose surname was Thaddæus;
4 Simon the Canaanite, and Judas Iscariot, who also betrayed him.

Do you believe that every word spoken by a prophet is revelation from God?

This is written by a Mormon prophet, do you believe his words ?​

What Mormons teach about the birth of a handicapped Child and minorities especially in third world countries

"This privilege of obtaining a mortal body on this earth is seemingly so priceless that those in the spirit world, even though unfaithful or not valient, were undoubtedly permitted to take mortal bodies although under penalty of racial or physical or nationalistic limitations...." (Decisions for Successful Living pp 164-165) TLDP: 497- Harold B. Lee

“There is no truth more plainly taught in the Gospel than that our condition in the next world will depend upon the kind of lives we live here. …Is it not just as reasonable to suppose that the conditions in which we now live have been determined by the kind of lives we lived in the pre-existent world of spirits? That the apostles understood this principle is indicated by their question to the Master when the man who was blind from his birth was healed of his blindness, ‘Master, who did sin, this man or his parents that he was born blind?’ (John 9:2.) Now perhaps you will have a partial answer to some of your questions as to why, if God is a just Father, that some of his children are born of an enlightened race and in a time when the Gospel is upon the earth, while others are born of a heathen parentage in a benighted, backward country; and still others are born to parents who have the mark of a black skin with which the seed of Cain were cursed and whose descendants were to be denied the rights of the priesthood of God”

(Harold B. Lee, Decisions for Successful Living, pp. 164-165).

 

[mmksparbud]

You said: "Judas is not proclaimed in the gospels as an apostle."
(New Testament | Matthew 10:2 - 4)

2 Now the names of the twelve apostles are these; The first, Simon, who is called Peter, and Andrew his brother; James the son of Zebedee, and John his brother;
3 Philip, and Bartholomew; Thomas, and Matthew the publican; James the son of Alphæus, and Lebbæus, whose surname was Thaddæus;
4 Simon the Canaanite, and Judas Iscariot, who also betrayed him.

Do you believe that every word spoken by a prophet is revelation from God?

He killed himself, he betrayed the Christ, he was lost---why would anyone think he had anything of value to say regarding our salvation? He certainly is no prophet.

 

[mmksparbud]

Do you believe that every word spoken by a prophet is revelation from God?

If it is in the bible. Anyone who claims he is a prophet and is making statements as such, declared as such by a church, then he had better be speaking for God, or otherwise keep silent.

 

[Ironhold]

The problem with locating Mormon Doctrine is found in this video​

"Mormon Doctrine" was a personal project of the author, who had no official sanction or oversight. As a consequence, the first edition was jam-packed with the guy's own personal doctrine instead of actual church theology.

When the church leadership found out, they forced the guy to pull the book from circulation and revise it again and again.

The book is not official because of this, and in fact most Mormons won't accept an undated citation or a citation from an edition older than the 1994 release.

This is basic information, so much so that attempting to cite the work as a reference pretty much discredits your material in the eyes of anyone who knows what's going on.

 

[Christian Apologist]

"Mormon Doctrine" was a personal project of the author, who had no official sanction or oversight. As a consequence, the first edition was jam-packed with the guy's own personal doctrine instead of actual church theology.

When the church leadership found out, they forced the guy to pull the book from circulation and revise it again and again.

The book is not official because of this, and in fact most Mormons won't accept an undated citation or a citation from an edition older than the 1994 release.

This is basic information, so much so that attempting to cite the work as a reference pretty much discredits your material in the eyes of anyone who knows what's going on.

Bruce R McConkie was a so-called LDS Apostle and the Son in Law of Joseph Fielding Smith a Mormon So-called prophet. Yet his work is unofficial . Mormons who agree with there leaders tells us it's official doctrine, if they disagree it's unofficial .

 

[He is the way]

This is written by a Mormon prophet, do you believe his words ?​

What Mormons teach about the birth of a handicapped Child and minorities especially in third world countries

"This privilege of obtaining a mortal body on this earth is seemingly so priceless that those in the spirit world, even though unfaithful or not valient, were undoubtedly permitted to take mortal bodies although under penalty of racial or physical or nationalistic limitations...." (Decisions for Successful Living pp 164-165) TLDP: 497- Harold B. Lee

“There is no truth more plainly taught in the Gospel than that our condition in the next world will depend upon the kind of lives we live here. …Is it not just as reasonable to suppose that the conditions in which we now live have been determined by the kind of lives we lived in the pre-existent world of spirits? That the apostles understood this principle is indicated by their question to the Master when the man who was blind from his birth was healed of his blindness, ‘Master, who did sin, this man or his parents that he was born blind?’ (John 9:2.) Now perhaps you will have a partial answer to some of your questions as to why, if God is a just Father, that some of his children are born of an enlightened race and in a time when the Gospel is upon the earth, while others are born of a heathen parentage in a benighted, backward country; and still others are born to parents who have the mark of a black skin with which the seed of Cain were cursed and whose descendants were to be denied the rights of the priesthood of God”

(Harold B. Lee, Decisions for Successful Living, pp. 164-165).

Without proper context, it is hard to judge either article. Both articles were cut short.

 

[He is the way]

He killed himself, he betrayed the Christ, he was lost---why would anyone think he had anything of value to say regarding our salvation? He certainly is no prophet.

Peter denied Christ three times, does that mean that he was no prophet either?