WHY DOES LUKE 16:2,3,4 THE WORD DISPENSATION ?

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Hi to all and in Luke 16:2 uses the Greek word OIKONOMIA / STEWARDSHIP a noun in the GENITIVE CASE ?

Then in the same verse uses nthe Greek word STEWARD / OIKONOMEO and it seems similar .

In verse 3 the words THE STEWARD/ OIKONOMOS is used !

Then in the same verse , THE STEWARDSHIP/ OIKONOMIA the Greek word here is the Greek word DISPENSATION , but in the ACCUSAITIVE CASE which to means that DISPENSATION is LIMITED to this STEWARD in verse 3.

And in verse 4 , that when he is put out OF THE STEWARDSHIP/ OIKONOMIA /DISPENSATION is in the GENITIVE CASE which means that this STEWARDSHIP / DISPENSATION belongs to this steward .

How will you reconcile Luke 16: 2,3,4,?

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Hi to all and in Luke 16:2 uses the Greek word OIKONOMIA / STEWARDSHIP a noun in the GENITIVE CASE ?

Then in the same verse uses nthe Greek word STEWARD / OIKONOMEO and it seems similar .

In verse 3 the words THE STEWARD/ OIKONOMOS is used !

Then in the same verse , THE STEWARDSHIP/ OIKONOMIA the Greek word here is the Greek word DISPENSATION , but in the ACCUSAITIVE CASE which to means that DISPENSATION is LIMITED to this STEWARD in verse 3.

And in verse 4 , that when he is put out OF THE STEWARDSHIP/ OIKONOMIA /DISPENSATION is in the GENITIVE CASE which means that this STEWARDSHIP / DISPENSATION belongs to this steward .

How will you reconcile Luke 16: 2,3,4,?

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I would offer the singular dispensation is that of grace it comes by Christ's labor of Love called a work of faith . And not a dispensation of time periods.

In every generation like that shown beginning with Abel in whom God had favor on we can see the labor of his love working in the heart of his bride the church . He does not work differently in different time dispensations. He worked His dispensation of grace in Rehab by a work of Christ faith that worked in her to both will and empower her to hide other men moved by the same dispensation of the gospel, of faith.

1 Corinthians 9:17 For if I do this thing willingly, I have a reward: but if against my will, a dispensation of the gospel is committed unto me.

Ultimately it boils down to one phrase ."Thousand years" and the instructions on how to rightly divide the book of Revaltion. Do we look to the inspired word as signified the language of metaphors used in parable. or the literal interpretation?

The Luke portion would seem to be teaching no man can serve two teaching Master . (1) Seeking after the word of God all things written in the law and prophets. (2) Or necromancy seeking the dead for the living as spoken of in Isaiah 8. The two apposing forms of seeking .Inspired from heaven or earthy of men

Isaiah 8.19-20 And when they shall say unto you, Seek unto them that have familiar spirits, and unto wizards that peep, and that mutter: should not a people seek unto their God? for the living to the dead?
To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.
 
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Hi and in 1 TIM 1:4 the Greek word OIKONOMIA / DISPENSATION is used !

The KJV translators , used EDIFYING in it's PLACE !

In Luke 16:1 it uses STEWARD / OIKONOMOS !

In verse 2 it uses STEWARDSHIP /OIKONONMIA !

In verse 3 it also uses OIKONOMIA !

In verse 4 it uses the word STEWARDSHIP / EIKONOMIA !!

WHY ???

This was written to Israel and the axe WAS going to be laid to Israel in Luke 13:6-9 and as Paul says in 2 Cor 3:13-18 !!

By the time of Jesus earthly ministry , Israel was CORRUPT and was set aside !!

Notice that this is a PARABLE about Israel Luke 13:6 and NOT about the BODY OF CHRIST !!

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Hi and in 1 TIM 1:4 the Greek word OIKONOMIA / DISPENSATION is used !

The KJV translators , used EDIFYING in it's PLACE !

In Luke 16:1 it uses STEWARD / OIKONOMOS !

In verse 2 it uses STEWARDSHIP /OIKONONMIA !

In verse 3 it also uses OIKONOMIA !

In verse 4 it uses the word STEWARDSHIP / EIKONOMIA !!

WHY ???

This was written to Israel and the axe WAS going to be laid to Israel in Luke 13:6-9 and as Paul says in 2 Cor 3"13-18 !!

By the time of Jesus earthly ministry , Israel was CORRUPT and was set aside !!

Notice that this is a PARABLE about Israel Luke 13:6 and NOT about the BODY OF CHRIST !!

dan p

Not all Israel has responded to the gospel .To some like the gentile nations some do not respond to the word of God. In the same way a Jew is not one outwardly of the flesh but inwardly born again of the Spirit of Christ. If any man has not the Spirit of Christ then the bible informs us they are not born again.

Romans 9:6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:

Not all Israel are born again Christians the new name the father promised to name his Bride, That he did name in Acts . A more befitting name for all that nations meaning residents of the city prepared as his one bride. (not two)

God is not the father of one nation or family but a father of multitude of families called nations. When two or three people are gathered together under the power of His name as it is written in the law and the prophets .He is there with them .He is our Emanuel.

The first recorded member of the church as His bride is Abel. He is also the first recorded martyr of the church. He was murdered by his faithless atheistic brother Cain .

The father of lies as the god of this world is a murderer or serial killer from that beginning.

The majority of the doctrines of God are found in Genesis. From there we can build .
 
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Hi and in 1 TIM 1:4 the Greek word OIKONOMIA / DISPENSATION is used !

The KJV translators , used EDIFYING in it's PLACE !

In Luke 16:1 it uses STEWARD / OIKONOMOS !

In verse 2 it uses STEWARDSHIP /OIKONONMIA !

In verse 3 it also uses OIKONOMIA !

In verse 4 it uses the word STEWARDSHIP / EIKONOMIA !!

WHY ???

This was written to Israel and the axe WAS going to be laid to Israel in Luke 13:6-9 and as Paul says in 2 Cor 3"13-18 !!

By the time of Jesus earthly ministry , Israel was CORRUPT and was set aside !!

Notice that this is a PARABLE about Israel Luke 13:6 and NOT about the BODY OF CHRIST !!

dan p
Not all isreal are born again isreal Just as a jew is not one outwardly acording to the flesh but one inwrrdly as having the Spirit of Christ. if any has not the Spirit of Christ they simply do not belong to Him.

Corrupted dying Jewish like Gentile flesh profits for nothing.

Romans 8:9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

Christian is the propmised new name the father named his bride in Acts . A more befitting name for the one bride made up of all nations.

Christian a word that literally mean residents of the heavenly city of Christ, Zion prepared as His one bride the church . Name after her husband and founder "Christ" .
 
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Not all isreal are born again isreal Just as a jew is not one outwardly acording to the flesh but one inwrrdly as having the Spirit of Christ. if any has not the Spirit of Christ they simply do not belong to Him.

Corrupted dying Jewish like Gentile flesh profits for nothing.

Romans 8:9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

Christian is the propmised new name the father named his bride in Acts . A more befitting name for the one bride made up of all nations.

Christian a word that literally mean residents of the heavenly city of Christ, Zion prepared as His one bride the church . Name after her husband and founder "Christ" .


Hi and I looked up the Greek for CHRISTIAN / CHRISTIANOS just means a follower of Christ !!

In Jer 3:8 and that Christ already has a BRIDE , and has given Israel and Judah a BILL OF DIVORCE !!

The BODY OF CHRIST is not the BRIDE of CHRIST , what say you ??

Can Christ have 2 BRIDES ?

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And in Jer 3
 
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Hi and I looked up the Greek for CHRISTIAN / CHRISTIANOS just means a follower of Christ !!

In Jer 3:8 and that Christ already has a BRIDE , and has given Israel and Judah a BILL OF DIVORCE !!

The BODY OF CHRIST is not the BRIDE of CHRIST , what say you ??

Can Christ have 2 BRIDES ?

dan p



And in Jer 3

All the words of the bible have a meaning attached to them .We are commanded not to add new meaning to any word. It can change the authors intent taking away the original . (Deuteronomy 4:3) and take away the integrity of the one author Christ making it desolate.

Like the word Israel which means; those who wrestle with flesh and blood and have the power of God's Holy Spirit working in them to overcome. Some say that describes Jewish flesh..But the Bible defines a Jew as one inward born of the Spirit of Christ .

When God did divorce Israel as his bride it was not Israel as those born again from above.

The Bible is its own dictionary as to the usage of word Christian .It is something our father in heaven named His eternal bride not the believers or those who oppose Christianity as a derogatory word, which some do say

The word Christian. . like Philippians , Corinthians, Galatians etc. is according to the rules for identifying people by place names. Named after the founders of the city . The word Christian has all but lost its meaning to represent the new propmised name of His eternal bride, the church.
 
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All the words of the bible have a meaning attached to them .We are commanded not to add new meaning to any word. It can change the authors intent taking away the original . (Deuteronomy 4:3) and take away the integrity of the one author Christ making it desolate.

Like the word Israel which means; those who wrestle with flesh and blood and have the power of God's Holy Spirit working in them to overcome. Some say that describes Jewish flesh..But the Bible defines a Jew as one inward born of the Spirit of Christ .

When God did divorce Israel as his bride it was not Israel as those born again from above.

The Bible is its own dictionary as to the usage of word Christian .It is something our father in heaven named His eternal bride not the believers or those who oppose Christianity as a derogatory word, which some do say

The word Christian. . like Philippians , Corinthians, Galatians etc. is according to the rules for identifying people by place names. Named after the founders of the city . The word Christian has all but lost its meaning to represent the new propmised name of His eternal bride, the church.
Hi and words like Israel can also mean , " God Contended " as many Greek and Hebrew words have many meanings !

Since Christ divorced Israel and Judah separately , when will take 2 STICKS and then make one STICK ??

And when do you say that Israel will be BORN from above ?

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Hi and words like Israel can also mean , " God Contended " as many Greek and Hebrew words have many meanings !

Since Christ divorced Israel and Judah separately , when will take 2 STICKS and then make one STICK ??

And when do you say that Israel will be BORN from above ?

dan p

Not all Israel is born from above

Yes " God Contended " or God (Emanuel) working with flesh and blood to both will and empower men to do His good pleasure.

The two sticks are all the nations of the world that make up the one chaste virgin bride of Christ, the church .

Formally before the new testament he named them Israel as in all Israel is not Israel, it did not pertain to a outward Jew according to the flesh and not a inward Jew born from above.

In Isaiah 62 our father in heaven promised to rename the chaste virgin bride a more befitting name in respect to all the nations of the world. He name her "Christian" with no other meaning added, meaning residents of the heavenly city prepared as the one bride named after her founder, Christ.

Isaiah 62 For Zion's sake will I not hold my peace, and for Jerusalem's sake I will not rest, until the righteousness thereof go forth as brightness, and the salvation thereof as a lamp that burneth. And the Gentiles shall see thy righteousness, and all kings thy glory: and thou shalt be called by a new name, which the mouth of the Lord shall name. Thou shalt also be a crown of glory in the hand of the Lord, and a royal diadem in the hand of thy God. ...

Acts 11:26 And when he had found him, he brought him unto Antioch. And it came to pass, that a whole year they assembled themselves with the church, and taught much people. And the disciples were called "Christians" first in Antioch.
 
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Not all Israel is born from above

Yes " God Contended " or God (Emanuel) working with flesh and blood to both will and empower men to do His good pleasure.

The two sticks are all the nations of the world that make up the one chaste virgin bride of Christ, the church .

Formally before the new testament he named them Israel as in all Israel is not Israel, it did not pertain to a outward Jew according to the flesh and not a inward Jew born from above.

In Isaiah 62 our father in heaven promised to rename the chaste virgin bride a more befitting name in respect to all the nations of the world. He name her "Christian" with no other meaning added, meaning residents of the heavenly city prepared as the one bride named after her founder, Christ.

Isaiah 62 For Zion's sake will I not hold my peace, and for Jerusalem's sake I will not rest, until the righteousness thereof go forth as brightness, and the salvation thereof as a lamp that burneth. And the Gentiles shall see thy righteousness, and all kings thy glory: and thou shalt be called by a new name, which the mouth of the Lord shall name. Thou shalt also be a crown of glory in the hand of the Lord, and a royal diadem in the hand of thy God. ...

Acts 11:26 And when he had found him, he brought him unto Antioch. And it came to pass, that a whole year they assembled themselves with the church, and taught much people. And the disciples were called "Christians" first in Antioch.
 
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Hi and the 2 sticks are not the WORLD by what Ezk 37:16 and 17 say !!

One stick is Israel and the other is JUDAH and verse 17 says that they will become ONE STICK !!

DAN P

Thanks for the reply.

I meant to say the word two sticks represents two nations, the gentiles and the Jews as in all nations .God our Holy Father typified by the word Abraham meaning the unseen father of many, all.. nations.

Israel and Judah are used to represent old testament saints and Israel and Christian the new name he named his bride in Acts to represent the new testament saints. .The tribe of Judah is used to represent the new testament kingdom of priest. . both men and woman prophets holding out the gospel of peace as it is written The Levites represent the old order under the letter of the law .Using Moses to typify the written law of God the letter that kills and Aaron to represent priest .

Priest throughout the Bible represent those who have been given a new born again spirit by which they could hear the understanding of our unseen Holy Father and preach it to other brothers and sisters of the same faith of Christ that does work mutual in all of those born from above..
 
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Thanks for the reply.

I meant to say the word two sticks represents two nations, the gentiles and the Jews as in all nations .God our Holy Father typified by the word Abraham meaning the unseen father of many, all.. nations.

Israel and Judah are used to represent old testament saints and Israel and Christian the new name he named his bride in Acts to represent the new testament saints. .The tribe of Judah is used to represent the new testament kingdom of priest. . both men and woman prophets holding out the gospel of peace as it is written The Levites represent the old order under the letter of the law .Using Moses to typify the written law of God the letter that kills and Aaron to represent priest .

Priest throughout the Bible represent those who have been given a new born again spirit by which they could hear the understanding of our unseen Holy Father and preach it to other brothers and sisters of the same faith of Christ that does work mutual in all of those born from above..


Hi and it reads that ONE STICK is Israel !

The second STICK is Judah !!

No GENTILES / ETHNOS are found here !!

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Hi and it reads that ONE STICK is Israel !

The second STICK is Judah !!

No GENTILES / ETHNOS are found here !!

dan p

Its there hid in a parable. Parables are designed to teach us how to walk by faith (the unseen eternal)

All Israel is not born again Israel (Christs bride the church) . Some remained a outward Jew according to the flesh and not inward born again of the Spirit of Christ.

If any man has not the born again eternal Spirit of Christ then neither do they belong to Christ. He re-named her previously called Israel "Christian" in the book of acts . A more befitting name to represent all the nations. Literally meaning; "residents of the city of Christ prepared as the bride of Christ".. .named after her founder Christ.

Judah represent the promise of Joel the new order of the kingdom of priest men and woman from all nations. There citizenship as Ambassadors is not of this world (creation).

It confused the unconverted Jews. wanting to know why Jesus from the tribe of Judah was do the work of a Levi? They wanted to know why he was performing the ceremony (shadow) that revealed the gentiles also had a desire to become members of the kingdom of priests.

The time of reformation had come the previous order (kings in Israel) .The abomination of desolation was restored to the time period of Judges .Men and woman acting as priests holding out the gospel (prophecy) No outward representation like the pagan kingdoms.

John3:25-27 Then there arose a question between some of John's disciples and the Jews about purifying. And they came unto John, and said unto him, Rabbi, he that was with thee beyond Jordan, to whom thou barest witness, behold, the same baptizeth, and all men come to him. John answered and said, A man can receive nothing, except it be given him from heaven.

The apostle John was given words from the father . A man can receive nothing, except it be given him from heaven.

In other words why make it about what the eyes see (the temporal) rather than what the Spirit reveals (the eternal)

We walk (God's understanding) by the unseen things of God (faith) not the things of men seen

Acts 2:15-17 King James Version (KJV) For these are not drunken, as ye suppose, seeing it is but the third hour of the day. But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel; And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:
 
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Its there hid in a parable. Parables are designed to teach us how to walk by faith (the unseen eternal)

All Israel is not born again Israel (Christs bride the church) . Some remained a outward Jew according to the flesh and not inward born again of the Spirit of Christ.

If any man has not the born again eternal Spirit of Christ then neither do they belong to Christ. He re-named her previously called Israel "Christian" in the book of acts . A more befitting name to represent all the nations. Literally meaning; "residents of the city of Christ prepared as the bride of Christ".. .named after her founder Christ.

Judah represent the promise of Joel the new order of the kingdom of priest men and woman from all nations. There citizenship as Ambassadors is not of this world (creation).

It confused the unconverted Jews. wanting to know why Jesus from the tribe of Judah was do the work of a Levi? They wanted to know why he was performing the ceremony (shadow) that revealed the gentiles also had a desire to become members of the kingdom of priests.

The time of reformation had come the previous order (kings in Israel) .The abomination of desolation was restored to the time period of Judges .Men and woman acting as priests holding out the gospel (prophecy) No outward representation like the pagan kingdoms.

John3:25-27 Then there arose a question between some of John's disciples and the Jews about purifying. And they came unto John, and said unto him, Rabbi, he that was with thee beyond Jordan, to whom thou barest witness, behold, the same baptizeth, and all men come to him. John answered and said, A man can receive nothing, except it be given him from heaven.

The apostle John was given words from the father . A man can receive nothing, except it be given him from heaven.

In other words why make it about what the eyes see (the temporal) rather than what the Spirit reveals (the eternal)

We walk (God's understanding) by the unseen things of God (faith) not the things of men seen

Acts 2:15-17 King James Version (KJV) For these are not drunken, as ye suppose, seeing it is but the third hour of the day. But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel; And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:


Hi and is there a hidden parable in James 2:17 and in verse 21 ?

So how was Adam than saved , by FAITH ?

Or saved by works ?

So you believe that all verses have a hidden PARABLE to yteach us ?

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Hi and is there a hidden parable in James 2:17 and in verse 21 ?

So how was Adam than saved , by FAITH ?

Or saved by works ?

So you believe that all verses have a hidden PARABLE to yteach us ?

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Abel would the be the first recorded person that God had saved by a work of His faith or called a labor of Love that worked in Abel .First recorded apostle and martyr also . His blood cries out to be clothed with his new incorruptible dwelling even today

Faith is a work .When men try to divide the two then faith is made to no effect. Yhe two work as one.

In that way the tongue of God has the power to create new life out of things that have no life. The work of faith . . "let there be light and it" was good.

In James 2:21-22 we are infallibly informed that Abraham just as Rehab in the same way as us today were saved by the work of Christ's faith .

Not a work they who are powerless could perform. We have His teasure of power in us but would never assume it is of the creature.

Christ's faith as a living work below.

James 2 :21-22 Was not Abraham our father justified by works, (Christ's) when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar? Seest thou how faith (Christ's) wrought with his works, (Christ's) and by works was faith (Christ's) made perfect?

In that way Christ's faith or will combined. . both to will and empower to do is made all one thing.

Ohi;lipians 2: 13-14 For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure. Do all things without murmurings and disputings:
 
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So you believe that all verses have a hidden PARABLE to yteach us ?

I believe we are infallibly informed that without parables Christ the anointing Holy Spirit. our one teaching authority spoke not. Hiding the gospel understanding designed to teach us how to walk by faith the (unseen eternal ) and not by sight after the temporal things of this corruptible creation from natural unconverted mankind . It is defined as working hiding the gospel so that mankind do not perceive (no faith) .

What becomes important is. . . How we are instructed to rightly divide the parables using the things seen the temporal (historically true) to find the hidden gospel understanding. (spiritually true)

In that way we search our the unseen understanding right form the beginning when God introduced his own self . Let there be light .

Mark 4:12 That seeing they may see, and not perceive and hearing they may hear, and not understand; lest at any time they should be converted, and their sins should be forgiven them.
 
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I believe we are infallibly informed that without parables Christ the anointing Holy Spirit. our one teaching authority spoke not. Hiding the gospel understanding designed to teach us how to walk by faith the (unseen eternal ) and not by sight after the temporal things of this corruptible creation from natural unconverted mankind . It is defined as working hiding the gospel so that mankind do not perceive (no faith) .

What becomes important is. . . How we are instructed to rightly divide the parables using the things seen the temporal (historically true) to find the hidden gospel understanding. (spiritually true)

In that way we search our the unseen understanding right form the beginning when God introduced his own self . Let there be light .

Mark 4:12 That seeing they may see, and not perceive and hearing they may hear, and not understand; lest at any time they should be converted, and their sins should be forgiven them.

Hi and your Mark 4:12 is taken from Isa 6:6:10 , Matt 3:15 , John 12:40 , and from Acts 28:27 and from these verse it is SPEAKING to Israel and not the BODY OF CHRIST !!

Can you show where the apostle Paul uses PARABLES to explain a verse to the BODY OF CHRIST ??

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Hi and your Mark 4:12 is taken from Isa 6:6:10 , Matt 3:15 , John 12:40 , and from Acts 28:27 and from these verse it is SPEAKING to Israel and not the BODY OF CHRIST !!

Can you show where the apostle Paul uses PARABLES to explain a verse to the BODY OF CHRIST ??

dan p

All verses in every parable are spoken to the bride of Christ, the church. God is no respecter of persons( the corrupted flesh of mankind) .We know no man after the flesh.

Not all Israel is born again Israel. Some of the outward Jews were Jews according to the flesh and not the born again spirit of Christ.

If any man has not the Spirit of Christ the born again Spirit of God .then they do not belong to Him

Israel is the body of Christ as the bride. Christians as residents of the heavenly city prepared as the wife of Christ. it is the new name that our father propmised to name his bride in Acts .
 
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All verses in every parable are spoken to the bride of Christ, the church. God is no respecter of persons( the corrupted flesh of mankind) .We know no man after the flesh.

Not all Israel is born again Israel. Some of the outward Jews were Jews according to the flesh and not the born again spirit of Christ.

If any man has not the Spirit of Christ the born again Spirit of God .then they do not belong to Him

Israel is the body of Christ as the bride. Christians as residents of the heavenly city prepared as the wife of Christ. it is the new name that our father promised to name his bride in Acts .


Hi and in Jer 3:8 that Christ gives Israel a BILL OF DIVORCE and it means that Christ was MARRIED TO Israel and to Judah ?

By the way the Heb words words COMMITTED ADULTERY / NA'APH is in the Heb PERFECT TENSE and means that from that point in time Israel and Judah would always be divorced !!

So can Christ have to BRIDES is your question ??

Do you know where Paul calls the BODY OF CHRIST A BRIDE or did I miss it ??

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