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Why does Israel still reject Jesus as Messiah?

Discussion in 'General Theology' started by friend of, Jul 21, 2019.

  1. friend of

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    :heart: No theories to offer, brother, just a reminder that we gots more praying to do.

    God bless you. (((hug)))
     
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  3. friend of

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    Thanks Brin. Always appreciated
     
  4. brinny

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    :heart: Thank you for the reminder. (((hug)))
     
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    Matthew 13

    13b ‘Though seeing, they do not see;
    though hearing, they do not hear or understand.’

    14 In them the prophecy of Isaiah is fulfilled:

    ‘You will be ever hearing but never understanding;
    you will be ever seeing but never perceiving.

    15 For this people’s heart has grown callous;
    they hardly hear with their ears,
    and they have closed their eyes.

    Otherwise they might see with their eyes,
    hear with their ears,
    understand with their hearts,
    and turn, ... and I would heal them.’
     
  7. friend of

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    Right, they don't seem all that jealous atm though, do they?
     
  8. friend of

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    Right, but God still wants the Jewish people to come to saving knowledge of His Son. Matt 13 can't be speaking about all Jewish people, necessarily
     
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  10. A_Thinker

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    No ... not all Jewish people. The early church was primarily Jewish.

    In the larger context, the Jews, in the main, are loyal to their Judaic leadership, which was always at odds with Jesus' claim to be the Messiah.

    Scriptures suggest that it will require the events of the Apocalypse to convince the Jews that they were wrong about Jesus ...
     
  11. joshua 1 9

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    I think the point is that so the gentiles could be saved. This was a big surprise for the disciples because Jesus said to the woman, “I was sent only to help God's lost sheep—the people of Israel." Matthew 15:24
     
  12. Dave L

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    Israel always had a small group of believers (born again/circumcised in heart) but most needed the law to curb their wickedness. Even then God would severely judge them with war, sickness and famine. When Jesus arrived, God removed the wicked unbelievers from Israel leaving only the believers. To these he grafted in believing gentiles into their place.

    Jesus said, unless born again, people cannot see Israel/the kingdom of God, because it is spiritual. So as God imparts the new birth to the broken off branches, they accept Christ and he reattaches them to Israel/the kingdom of God. But unless born again, they exist as a body solely because of their hatred and rejection of Christ. These remain under God's wrath until the end of time according to Paul.
     
  13. ewq1938

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    Which scriptures are the ones you are referring to?
     
  14. A_Thinker

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    Zechariah 12

    8 On that day the LORD will defend the residents of Jerusalem, so that the weakest among them will be like David, and the house of David will be like God, like the Angel of the LORD going before them.

    9 So on that day I will set out to destroy all the nations that come against Jerusalem.

    10 Then I will pour out on the house of David and on the people of Jerusalem a spirit of grace and prayer, and they will look on Me, the One they have pierced. They will mourn for Him as one mourns an only child, and weep bitterly for Him as one grieves a firstborn son.

    11 On that day the mourning in Jerusalem will be as great as the mourning of Hadad-rimmon in the plain of Megiddo.

    John 19

    33 But when they came to Jesus and saw that He was already dead, they did not break His legs. 34 Instead, one of the soldiers pierced His side with a spear, and immediately blood and water flowed out. 35 The one who saw it has testified to this, and his testimony is true. He knows that he is telling the truth, so that you also may believe.

    36 Now these things happened so that the Scripture would be fulfilled: “Not one of His bones will be broken.” 37 And, as another Scripture says: “They will look on the One they have pierced.”
     
  15. ewq1938

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    According to that, verses 36 and 37 were already fulfilled meaning the OT verses were fulfilled at that time.
     
  16. Yekcidmij

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    What do you mean by "Israel?"

    Those lists are often quite short on details, especially how one connects point A to B.
     
  17. 1213

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    I think one reason is that they don’t really know what Jesus taught. They think Jesus is blasphemous, even though he is not, if we look just what he taught.
     
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