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Why does God allow suffering? Bear in mind, those that don't need a perfect distraction, suffer less
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<blockquote data-quote="Moral Orel" data-source="post: 76874498" data-attributes="member: 377019"><p>I catch you fibbing, so you come back with the flamethrower, lol. I must be on to something to have you so worked up so quickly, eh Zippy? I'm lazy because I don't put as much detail into my posts as <em>you</em> want me to? lol, tough noogies. </p><p></p><p>If you think some conclusion is implicit in something I've said, it's fair to state "If that's true then...". But if you come back and tell me I <em>claimed</em> the thing <em>you</em> <em>think</em> <em>is implicit</em> that's called "a lie". If you need to lie to make your argument, your argument is bad.</p><p></p><p></p><p>If they have free will, then yeah. Are you claiming people freely choose things they don't want or what?</p><p></p><p></p><p>I've conflated nothing.</p><p></p><p>A If you have the ability to do X, then you can do X. If you cannot do X, then you do not freely choose to not do X.</p><p>B If have the ability to do X, but you do not have any desire whatsoever to do X, then you <em>won't choose</em> to do X.</p><p></p><p>Do you disagree with B? Do you think folks freely choose to do things they have zero desire at all to do? And if so, doing things you don't want to do is what free will looks like to you? Why are you choosing to do things if it isn't because you want to do those things?</p><p></p><p></p><p>Sex will necessarily happen sometimes, somewheres because people desire sex so much.</p><p>Does that mean that anytime someone chooses to have sex it was against their will?</p><p></p><p>If there was zero desire to have sex in every human, why would anyone choose to have sex ever?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Moral Orel, post: 76874498, member: 377019"] I catch you fibbing, so you come back with the flamethrower, lol. I must be on to something to have you so worked up so quickly, eh Zippy? I'm lazy because I don't put as much detail into my posts as [I]you[/I] want me to? lol, tough noogies. If you think some conclusion is implicit in something I've said, it's fair to state "If that's true then...". But if you come back and tell me I [I]claimed[/I] the thing [I]you[/I] [I]think[/I] [I]is implicit[/I] that's called "a lie". If you need to lie to make your argument, your argument is bad. If they have free will, then yeah. Are you claiming people freely choose things they don't want or what? I've conflated nothing. A If you have the ability to do X, then you can do X. If you cannot do X, then you do not freely choose to not do X. B If have the ability to do X, but you do not have any desire whatsoever to do X, then you [I]won't choose[/I] to do X. Do you disagree with B? Do you think folks freely choose to do things they have zero desire at all to do? And if so, doing things you don't want to do is what free will looks like to you? Why are you choosing to do things if it isn't because you want to do those things? Sex will necessarily happen sometimes, somewheres because people desire sex so much. Does that mean that anytime someone chooses to have sex it was against their will? If there was zero desire to have sex in every human, why would anyone choose to have sex ever? [/QUOTE]
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