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why do we make it personal when others disagree ?

Discussion in 'Controversial Christian Theology' started by Jesus is YHWH, Oct 29, 2020.

  1. Jesus is YHWH

    Jesus is YHWH my Lord and my God ! Supporter

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    pre-millennial - amillennial
    pre-tribulation, mid-tribulation, post-tribulation
    arminian- calvinist
    Sovereignty of God
    free will vs bondage of the will
    Mans choice or Gods choice
    prevenient grace, irresistible grace
    compatibilism vs incompatibiism
    communion weekly, monthly
    worship on Saturdays or Sundays

    and the list goes on and on. None of these differences are essential to salvation, salvific.

    Where is unity, charity and liberty ?

    In Essentials Unity, In Non-Essentials Liberty, In All Things Charity !
     
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  2. RaymondG

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    We take it personal because it took us years to learn what we know...through much studying and listening to those we trust...And our wisdom is very important to us. Therefore we demand that it be important to others as well.
     
  3. Jesus is YHWH

    Jesus is YHWH my Lord and my God ! Supporter

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    But we should not attack the person but the argument wouldn't you agree ?
     
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  4. Ezana

    Ezana Ιησούς Χριστός Νικά

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    Same reason why the angels fell from heaven.
     
  5. RaymondG

    RaymondG Well-Known Member

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    I believe that we shouldn't attack arguments or people. Yet when we hold onto man's wisdom....both will happen occasionally.....because we are offended when, what we worked hard to get, is undermined.

    It is not until we start to live by every word that proceeded out of the Mouth of God, that this no longer happens.

    So I find it a good test. When I am offended by one who discredits my ideas, or expect someone to believe what I say, I know that my idea and what is being said, is coming from me and my own wisdom, and not from God.

    For there is truth that I would not have believed, and didnt believe, until God revealed it to me Himself....so how can I, then, expect others to believe it, just because I said it?
     
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  6. BobRyan

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    All of these are related to doctrinal statements made in the Word of God and ideas about them can be tested sola scriptura.

    Jesus said in John 14 "I am the way the Truth and the Life" -- this is about Truth that God placed in scripture.

    Everyone should have some high degree of motivation and interest in "the truth" coming from One who says He IS the "Truth".. ("Sanctify them in Thy Truth - Thy Word is Truth" John 17:17)

    At the end of time those who do not have "a love of the truth" are turned over to "strong delusions" according to 2Thess 2.
    8 Then that lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord will eliminate with the breath of His mouth and bring to an end by the appearance of His coming; 9 that is, the one whose coming is in accord with the activity of Satan, with all power and false signs and wonders, 10 and with all the deception of wickedness for those who perish, because they did not accept the love of the truth so as to be saved. 11 For this reason God will send upon them a deluding influence so that they will believe what is false, 12 in order that they all may be judged who did not believe the truth,

    1 Tim 4
    Now the Spirit expressly says that in latter times some will depart from the faith, giving heed to deceiving spirits and doctrines of demons, 2 speaking lies in hypocrisy, having their own conscience seared with a hot iron,

    So it is no wonder some folks have a great degree of interest in finding out exactly what is or is not stated in the Word of God regarding these things.

    but to your point - that is no excuse to be mean to someone just because that someone does not view it the same way you do.
     
  7. justtrance

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    Some people hold themselves to high esteem and therefore could absolutely never be wrong. :)
     
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  8. bottoWordx

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    there's right and there's wrong
    there's serious and there's minor issues

    the minor things can be evidence of a larger thing
    so be mindful of what it really means
    but yes, if possible have peace. wouldn't that be nice?
     
  9. Justified_By_Christ_Alone

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    The answer is one word, pride.

    I know I may sound hypocritical here by even making "essentials" but I think the real gospel is worth fighting for. So I think the essentials of unity should only be confined to 3 things:

    1. Who Jesus says he is (that he is God)

    2. What Jesus did for us (that he died on the cross for our sins, and we are therefore not saved by any works we do, but saved by his finished redemptive work on the cross, by grace through faith alone)

    3. What that means in regards to us, our right standing with God, based on what Jesus did for us (Once Saved Always Saved)

    Besides these things, I have no problem fellowshipping with others. Even if they have wacky ideas and perspectives on the bible. As long as they believe all of the bible of course. Then I give liberty to all other perspectives and views.
     
  10. Michael Collum

    Michael Collum Everything began with a voice, use yours Supporter

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    Yeah the church of the dichotomy seems to be strong this generation as well.
     
  11. bèlla

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    None of that matters to me. If we serve the same God and our spirits testify to the other I’m satisfied. I don’t need to argue or place a gulf between us. Life is hard enough.

    Yours in His Service,

    ~Bella
     
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  12. Jesus is YHWH

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    good answer !!
     
  13. Noxot

    Noxot Self-freedom can't be escaped, God desires it Supporter

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    Living by every word that comes from the mouth of God and the Breath of God that destroys the lawless one are the same thing. We are more like Christ and less like Christ in a variety of different things. Some understandings work better for certain kinds of Souls. It's hard to perfectly know God and so sometimes we might be able to express different seemingly opposed angles and both be true. Other times it simply comes down to one is better than the other but both think that what they have is superior to the other. Yet other times still it's two tribes of Hell fighting each other and both are wrong.

    The ideal is that we all have as much wisdom and virtue as possible.

    I guess it is ignorance and lack on one side or both sides.

    Also we are on a journey and some people are on different parts of it and so see different parts of it. properly understanding the order of it all is also necessary.
     
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