Why do some Christians believe homosexual sin is worse than others?

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No, Not Christ. Paul wrote Romans. In the Gospel of the Apostle Barnabas, Paul is called "The Deceived." So if even the 12 apostles can argue about what proper doctrine is, even after being in the presence of Jesus. What hope do we have of getting it right? The bible, more than anything teaches us to Love, but otherwise it has many contradictions.

The gospel of Barnabas was not good enough to be scripture.

Paul was a Pharisee of Pharisees; he was taught by Gamaliel. What Paul taught was given to him by revelation from Jesus - Galatians 1:11-18. His teaching is accurate
The Bible is the Word of God. Jesus is the Word - John 1
The Bible is inspired by God - 2 Timothy 3:16-17
 
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Well, it is God who characterizes homosexual sex as different. He characterizes homosexual sex as an abomination. There are few sins given that characterization. Leviticus 18:22 "You shall not lie with a male as with a woman; it is an abomination." This particular sin is also called a "vile affections" or "dishonorable passions". It is also called "unnatural."



While fornication and adultery are grave sins, sex with the opposite sex, even if disordered, does not violate natural law. Thus, on this level homosexual sex is worse. On a overall level a grave sexual sin is grave sexual sin.

To make an anniversary cake for homosexual couple is more than supporting sin, as it would be to make the cake for a fornicating heterosexual couple, as it is also supporting an unnatural act, an abomination.

It is God who makes this distinction.

The Catholic Church teaching on homosexual sex is:



We must also remember the following, which pertains in a direct way the making cake issue:



The homosexual issue has become a "structure of sin" in our society of late. It has become a "social sin" and thus we have an even greater responsibility to assert the Truth.

Kuddos to those individuals and business that take a stand on this.


Note it's the sex that's a sin, not attraction.
 
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Being gay is no more a sin than having brown eyes, or being left handed. The Devil is laughing smugly at how well he's manipulated the Christian religion into hating a whole giant group of people. It doesn't even matter if it's a choice or not, but for most gays it is not.

Being attracted to the same sex, having a same sex husband or wife. This doesn't hurt anyone. It often enriches the lives of others. The Bible is a multithousand year document. It has been written and rewritten by men. Entire books have been edited out of it. Imperfect men will eventually corrupt all that they touch. To think the bible is immune to this would be shunning God's own wisdom.

I believe God intends the Bible to give us a general understanding of God's personality, his intentions. Except for the 10 commandments, it was not meant to be a verbatim rule book. In the bible God has told people to murder, to kill women and children! If anything it shows us that God has a unique and different plan for all of us, even the gays. The bible is the light that shows you God's path, but it is not the path itself.

Most of what the bible says about gays is in the Old Testament. It is hanging out right there around completely insane things like. It's a sin to cut your beard! It's a sin to wear two different types of fabric at the same time, and of course, it's a sin to eat pork and shellfish. Funny how we focus on the gay sections here and not the other completely crazy stuff.

The new testament doesn't get into it much, but the biggest passages about it are in Romans and Corinthians. Written by the apostle Paul. Now, it's interesting because the Gospel of the Apostle Barnabas (which was conveniently removed from the bible, but does exist for anyone to go look at online) claims that Paul was deceived and was a traitor. So I think that even if some of the twelve apostles have debate about Christian Doctrine, it is not unreasonable that we do today as well.

Now gays can be sinners. They can have unhealthy and lustful relationships that shy away from God's will... but then, so can straight people.

Even the 10 commands are so very often ignored. Keep the Sabath holy? So if your boss requires you to work Sunday, I hope you're not both going to hell.

Though Shalt Not Lie. Obviously a sin, but one we spend far too little time on if our politics and daily lives are any indication.

Why so often are the very 10 commandments ignored in favor of admonishing gays? Which is no where to be seen in the 10 commandments.
Your opinion doesn't change the fact that the bible is God's word and yes GOD is more than capable of preserving HIS word. But then again it is only those that don't comprehend this fact make outrageous and unfounded claims such as you just did.
 
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Then why have some animals been observed like that?

And a worse sin than murder or torture or rape? You have to be kidding me.
Are you comparing homosexuals to animals and using that as an excuse to justify what God's word calls an abomination?
 
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Your opinion doesn't change the fact that the bible is God's word and yes GOD is more than capable of preserving HIS word. But then again it is only those that don't comprehend this fact make outrageous and unfounded claims such as you just did.


Odd how people want to use the world - created by the Lord - to tell the Lord that He is wrong
 
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Note it's the sex that's a sin, not attraction.
Actually that's not at all true nor is it biblical it's the thought (lusting) that is the sin.

Matthew 15:191599 Geneva Bible (GNV)
19 For out of the heart come evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false testimonies, slanders.
 
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Odd how people want to use the world - created by the Lord - to tell the Lord that He is wrong
It's not really that odd considering we all served the god of the air until we became the Children of God through confessing God's word is the only way.
 
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Actually that's not at all true nor is it biblical it's the thought (lusting) that is the sin.

Matthew 15:191599 Geneva Bible (GNV)
19 For out of the heart come evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false testimonies, slanders.

agreed
"The truth is, sexual sin never comes out of the blue. It is the predictable result of natural processes. Relationships are neglected and a mind get exposed to impurity.

"Tomorrow's character is made out of today's thoughts. Temptation may come suddenly, but sin doesn't. Neither does moral and spiritual fiber. Both result from a process over which we do have control.

"We become what we think. We forge our sexual morality through an ongoing series of choices and actions, tiny indulgences and miniscule compromises. The eye lingers here...the mind loiters there. Like a photographic place forming an image, our mind accumulates what we expose it to, godly or ungodly.

"The battle is in our minds."

Randy Alcorn, The Purity Principle, Multnomah Press
 
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"The truth is, sexual sin never comes out of the blue. It is the predictable result of natural processes. Relationships are neglected and a mind get exposed to impurity.

"Tomorrow's character is made out of today's thoughts. Temptation may come suddenly, but sin doesn't. Neither does moral and spiritual fiber. Both result from a process over which we do have control.

"We become what we think. We forge our sexual morality through an ongoing series of choices and actions, tiny indulgences and miniscule compromises. The eye lingers here...the mind loiters there. Like a photographic place forming an image, our mind accumulates what we expose it to, godly or ungodly.
Yes I agree our lust pulls us away from the love of Christ incrementally and then sin abounds.

"The battle is in our minds."

Randy Alcorn, The Purity Principle, Multnomah Press


Yes I agree our lusts pull us away from God's love then that sin manifests itself into actions.
 
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It is certainly true that English translations of the Bible cite homosexuality as a sin, among many others. It is certainly true that in some way, shape or form all humans transgress, and fall short of the perfection alleged of God. Whether homosexuality is worse than any other sort of sin, I could not say. God has not whispered His hierarchy of hatefulness in my ear. But I have my suspicions. I suspect that non-traditional loving relationships are among the least of His concerns, and that the selfishness of capitalist consumerism and the injustice of the world's unequal distribution of wealth among the highest. But hey! What do I know? All I can say is, if God does not see it like I do, I look forward to putting Him right when He attempts to judge me, come the end of days.

Best wishes, Strivax.
 
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It is certainly true that English translations of the Bible cite homosexuality as a sin, among many others. It is certainly true that in some way, shape or form all humans transgress, and fall short of the perfection alleged of God. Whether homosexuality is worse than any other sort of sin, I could not say. God has not whispered His hierarchy of hatefulness in my ear. But I have my suspicions. I suspect that non-traditional loving relationships are among the least of His concerns, and that the selfishness of capitalist consumerism and the injustice of the world's unequal distribution of wealth among the highest. But hey! What do I know? All I can say is, if God does not see it like I do, I look forward to putting Him right when He attempts to judge me, come the end of days.

Best wishes, Strivax.
Are you attempting to justify any sexual relationships outside of what God defined as a marriage relationship? BTW God does not in any way support socialism because His word states if you don't work you don't eat.
 
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I don't need to justify them. They do no harm to anyone else, and in their mutual support, offer the kind of succour and emotional sustenance we heterosexuals take for granted in our own relationships, but for some unknown reason, want to deny to any who differ in their attractions and proclivities. There are far more important things to discuss about the world than tawdry, intrusive concerns about who sleeps with whom. Those with such fixations are the ones who need to justify their obsession to the rest of us, which is utterly devoid of moral justification, not the other way around.

Best wishes, Strivax.
 
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I don't need to justify them. They do no harm to anyone else, and in their mutual support, offer the kind of succour and support heterosexuals take for granted in their own relationships, but for some unknown reason, want to deny to any who differ in their proclivities. There are more important things to discuss about the world, than tawdry concerns about who sleeps with whom.

Best wishes, Strivax.
Actually, homosexuality hurts a lot of people, aside from friends and families after they make their choice.
They teach a blatant disregard for the Lord and what He taught - bad enough...
The teach children disrespect for the Lord's wishes. Children raised in homosexual environments are 12 times more likely to identify as homosexual.
It destroys families to see a member choose death over life - all sin leads to death.
They harm a lot of people.
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It's also important to distinguish the omosexuality caused by love and the one caused by only lust or "fashion"
Explain the difference between the two because God's word condemns it either way.
 
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Actually, homosexuality hurts a lot of people, aside from friends and families after they make their choice.
They teach a blatant disregard for the Lord and what He taught - bad enough...
The teach children disrespect for the Lord's wishes. Children raised in homosexual environments are 12 times more likely to identify as homosexual.
It destroys families to see a member choose death over life - all sin leads to death.
They harm a lot of people.
blessings

Only if you see homosexuality as a harm, and the scriptures as ultimately definitive. The subtext of this argument, which you have accurately identified, is of course, not whether homosexuality is wrong, but whether scripture is right.

Best wishes, Strivax.
 
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Explain the difference between the two because God's word condemns it either way.

God never condemn something that brings only love and if the society would accept that nobody will ever suffer, nor the family nor the omo
 
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Only if you see homosexuality as a harm, and the scriptures as ultimately definitive. The subtext of this argument, which you have accurately identified, is of course, not whether homosexuality is wrong, but whether scripture is right.

Best wishes, Strivax.
Yes scripture is right - written to us by the One who created us, to teach us about Himself.
Also in reference to comment 158 - Christ didn't create anyone to be a homosexual:
James 1:13 New International Version
When tempted, no one should say, "God is tempting me." For God cannot be tempted by evil, nor does he tempt anyone;
 
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