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Why do Muslims hate the state of Israel?

Discussion in 'General Political Discussion' started by Al Masihi, Jun 15, 2018.

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  1. Theo102

    Theo102 Active Member

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    Is the Quran more consistent with the worship of the deity of Abraham or with the worship of a moon idol?

    Don't Muslims hold the Quran to be the authoritative description of their religion?
     
  2. pat34lee

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    The deity of the Koran is nothing like Yahweh.
    It is more like a genie that rubber stamped any perversion
    or broken vow that their prophet made.

    "You want to kill, go ahead. You think women are inferior,
    I'll tell you they are inferior. You want to marry a nine year
    old child, have fun. And since you hate Jews and Christians,
    they are now infidels. Kill or enslave them when you can,
    and if you're too weak, kiss up to them until you can stab
    them in the back."
     
  3. Theo102

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    You don't know what you are talking about. Allah and YHWH are both just and merciful and they both advocate reason. They also both utilise deception to achieve their ends.

    To Him belongs whatever is in the heavens and whatever is on the earth.
    Quran 2:225

    The earth is YHWH's, and the fulness thereof; the world, and they that dwell therein.
    Psalm 24:1
     
  4. DidYouSaySomething

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    i don't think muslims hate israel in general. obviously lebanese (half christian, yet they support hezbollah), iraqis, syrians, and palestinians are anti israel due to their political ideology (zionism).

    iran definitely hates israel but that's because the warmongering zionists keep threatening them. after all, iran hasn't even started a war in the past 200 years. meanwhile, israel gets the US to fight their wars on their behalf.

    the iraq war was orchestrated by dual israeli citizens with ties to the likud party (richard perle, douglas feith, etc). fortunately, there won't be war with iran any time soon because the neocons failed in syria.

    israel needs to stop threatening their neighbors if they want peace in the middle east. the ethnic and religious minorities in syria support assad because he protects the minorities from ISIS. trump stopped arming the rebels (ISIS) last year which let Russia finish off the wahhabi terrorists in Syria.

    syria under assad is secular, iraq under saddam was secular, lebanon is half muslim and half christian, libya under gaddafi is secular, and israel is secular.

    israel has to understand that war and terrorism isn't the answer. getting the US to take out secular regimes will only increase tensions with it's neighbors.
     
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  5. DidYouSaySomething

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    really? saudi arabia and israel supported ISIS and al qaeda in secular syria. there is a reason the christian minority support assad and russia. because they protected the minorities from the wahhabi terrorists.

    iraqis, lebanese, syrians, etc are anti saudi and israel for their warmongering. it has nothing to do with religion. syria is overwhelmingly sunni and iran is shiite. like ron paul said, militarism is not the answer
     
  6. DidYouSaySomething

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    geopolitics is more complicated than that. israel's neighbors hate the warmongering zionists and saudis. it's not about religion
     
  7. DidYouSaySomething

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    jews and muslims peacefully coexisted in many countries. the problem with israel the warmongering zionist regime. they took out saddam, tried to take out assad, and now try to pressure the US to attack iran.

    israel, iraq, syria, libya, etc were all secular countries before 2003
     
  8. mmksparbud

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    It goes way back long before the Quran--it's the old Cain and Abel hatred. Nobody can hate more than your own family. It goes back to Abraham. Sarah and Abraham lacked the faith to wait on the lord for the answer to their prayer for, and God's promise of, a child of their own. Sarah got Abraham to take Hagar as his 2nd wife and have a child through her (I don't think she had to twist his arm.) Hagar had Ishmael. When Sarah had her child, the promised one from God, Hagar gave Sarah such a hard time that Sarah feared for her child and asked Abraham to kick them both out---God agreed. But He promised Ishmael would also become a great nation because he was Abraham's child. The animosity between Ishmael's descendants and Isaac's descendants has continued unbasted since. Mohamed declared that the land rightly belongs to the descendants of Ishmael and that the bible--except until Isaac, is wrong. They say the rightful 1st born was Ishmael and the land is theirs and that the child that Abraham was going to sacrifice was actually Ishmael--not Isaac. They refuse to acknowledge that God gave the land to Israel and want to wipe them off the face of the earth. In the east---you go to the grave over family feuds for ever.
     
  9. DidYouSaySomething

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    it doesn't have much to do with relgion. you have to understand iraq, libya, syria, israel were secular countries and lebanon is half christian. the reason israel is hated by their neighbors is because the zionists in control are warmongers. they got the US to invade iraq which cost trillions and a million civilians dead. israel also supported the "rebels" in syria to overthrow the assad regime. they even bombed the USS liberty and got the US gov to cover it up.

    israel is a problem because of their militarism, it's not about religion. there's a reason the ethnic and religious minorities support assad in syria, they don't want ISIS and al qaeda to take over.

    saudi arabia (most religious islamic country) are allies with israel. both of these countries are destabilizing the middle east with their warmongering
     
  10. Al Masihi

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    Actually I’m part Lebanese and fully supportive of Israel. Lebanon is 40% Christian now and might have been 10% if not for the Israeli intervention. The Syrian rebels hate Israel as much as they hate Assad, why would Israel support them? The US invaded Iraq after it decided to invade an American ally in Kuwait, how many more million would have died if Saddam stayed in power? Religious minorities support Assad in Syria because they forced to, on a personal ground they hate his guts and would see him hung from his own palace for war crimes when the civil war in Syria is over. Saudi arent allies with Israel, I’m currently in Saudi, people here hate Israel more then Iran. And about the USS Liberty it’s an old myth not worth repeating:

    The Lie that Won’t Die: the USS Liberty Attack Slander, Continued
     
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  11. Al Masihi

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    Why don’t you ask how all the Mizrahi Jews in Israel who were kicked out from Arab countries in 1948 coexisted with Muslims. Saddam deserved to be taken out, unless your supportive of a mentally unstable person given control of a very highly equipped army capable of invading neighboring nations. And let’s not mention the gassing of Kurds and Assyrians. Israel wants the US to take action against Iranian proxies and Iranian influence that’s causing chaos across the Middle East, why on earth would it want the US to attack Iran directly in a war it can’t win? None of the countries you mentioned were actually stable in their short history.
     
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  13. Al Masihi

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    A side backed by facts. The US itself considers it an accident rather then anything else.
     
  14. Steve Petersen

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    If you are Muslim, the mere existence of a Jewish state on formerly Muslim land makes Allah look powerless. This creates a cognitive dissonance in the Islamic psyche that needs to be remedied, so they paint themselves as Allah's warriors, assume a divine mandate, and try to stamp out the thing that is creating the dissonance.
     
  15. Al Masihi

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    Well I have no disagreement there. The Jews have a much bigger historical claim to the Holy Land then the Muslims though.
     
  16. Theo102

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    When you unwrap the geopolitics it really is about religion, but it's more about theism vs atheism/secularism than the issues between the Abrahamic religions.
     
  17. Theo102

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    No, Cain murdered a member of his family but Abraham did not. Also, there's the commandment of "be fruitful and multiply", which Abraham was honouring by taking Hagar as his second wife.

    "Hagar gave Sarah such a hard time that Sarah feared for her child and asked Abraham to kick them both out---God agreed."

    Why do you say that?
     
  18. Theo102

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    Are you aware that the Zionist state of Israel is not the same as historical Israel? Likud's historical roots are connected to terrorism via the bombing of the King David Hotel. Of course there's much more to it than that, US support for the policy of the Oded Yinon document was witnessed by General Wesley Clark.

     
  19. Al Masihi

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    Hagar never became the official legal wife of Abraham. He was supposed to, but there’s no evidence he went through with the marriage.
     
  20. Al Masihi

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    I’m aware historical Israel isn’t the same as modern day secular Israel, that’s not why I support Israel. I support it because it’s perhaps one of the only secular democratic countries with free press and speech in the Middle East, also you can’t deny the historical connection of the Jews to Israel no matter your personal beliefs on religion, history, or politics. Irgun was the organization that bombed the King David Hotel, most likely due to the British governments violent repression of Zionist parties in mandatory Palestine. Although some of Irguns ideas did give rise to Likud, they’re not the same organization nor do they have exactly the same ideology.
     
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