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Featured Why do evangelicals care so much about disproving evolution?

Discussion in 'Creation & Theistic Evolution' started by Marc Perry, Sep 16, 2020.

  1. Marc Perry

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    Can't they just say that God created a world with a history?
     
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  2. St_Worm2

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    Hello @Marc Perry, evolution (especially Atheistic Evolution) stands in stark contrast to what is taught in the Bible, beginning, of course, with the Creation and mankind's history in the opening chapters of Genesis (teachings which are later confirmed by the Lord and His Apostles in the NT).

    Also, Atheistic Evolution has no way of explaining why everyone among us is sinful, for instance, or why wondrous things like "love" exist.

    BTW, not all Evangelicals are YEC, there are many now who hold to Theistic Evolution instead.

    --David
     
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  3. d taylor

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    The question should be why do christians believe a stupid satanic lie.
     
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  4. Sparagmos

    Sparagmos Well-Known Member

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    Well this thread got off to a good start.
     
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  5. Marc Perry

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    That never answered my question of why couldn't have just created a world with a history. How is that against Genesis?
     
  6. St_Worm2

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    Hello again @Mark Perry, perhaps you should ask Him. Biblically speaking, the Earth has a history, of course, though it is vastly different and a lot shorter than Atheistic Evolutionists would have us believe ;)

    --David
     
  7. Dale

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    I have had discussions with creationists for years. One of the things I've found is that they do not understand religious history, besides not understanding the natural sciences. In the minds of creationists, a couple of hundred years ago, just about everybody was religious, and there was no serious disagreement about the truths of religion. Then Charles Darwin messed everything up.

    This picture is completely wrong. Simply put, there never was a time when everyone was devoutly religious. There have always been irreligious people. The rich and powerful, in particular, have always paid lip service to religion when it suited their purposes but they also ignored it (or fought it) when they had reason to.

    If you were going to blame anyone for the decline of Christianity (or perceived decline), Charles Darwin isn't even the logical person to blame. Darwin never attacked Christianity.

    The real Charles Darwin spent hundreds of hours looking at barnaces through a magnifying glass. He was an observer of the natural world. Creationists don't think of Darwin that way. They think of Darwin as some kind of nihilist prophet. That's why they keep making the nonsensical comment that anyone who takes evolution seriously is "following Darwin."
     
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  8. usexpat97

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    I don't care about disproving evolution, so much as I just care about the truth. And in truth, I just don't think evolution holds its weight as any more than a theory on its own two feet.

    Our understanding of evolution has an impact on genetic research, stem cells, computer algorithms (simulated evolution), etc., and that's what I'm trying to achieve. I just want the truth. I just want medical research to be able to restore the cartilage in my knee and back, and restore my aging dog's kidneys and liver.
     
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  9. Marc Perry

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    I'm actually making an argument against you, too. There is no argument that can be made against, "Yep, God created it that way." As in, "God planted fossils, and astronomical history, and so forth some 10,000 years ago".
     
  10. nonaeroterraqueous

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    Because it's false. Isn't that reason enough?
     
  11. Aussie Pete

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    Generally speaking, Christians love the truth. If they do not love truth then I don't know how they can call themselves Christian. Evolution is a lie fostered by the world to keep people from God. The Bible is clear as day as to how God created the material universe. Satan hates the human race. He hates that God created us in His own image. Satan will do everything that he can to drag the people God created down to his level. For now, he is succeeding. His fate is sealed and his kingdom will be destroyed.
     
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  12. ~Cassia~

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    I guess no one has heard of the gap theory of Gen 1:1-1:2?

    It truly boggles the mind the effort that goes into complicating the simplicity of God. Gap between Gen 1:1-1:2 doesn’t have to be any more complicated than that. Created vs formed. Never mind all the other stuff added to that simple theory like days thousands of years long to begin with. But the wordage of created vs formed I think speaks for itself.

    After that one can begin to speak of the devil’s domain ...
     
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  13. Marc Perry

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    All you did is say "Because ... No". It's not a very convincing argument and did nothing to address my original post.
     
  14. Marc Perry

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    Fine. But even if it did get absolutely proven tomorrow, why would that be a bad thing? Why couldn't God have just created it that way (the world with a history thing I said in my one sentence first post).
     
  15. Sketcher

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    I am happily flexible on whether or not humans evolved from lesser beings. Evolution does not threaten what I am not flexible on.
     
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    of course evolution can explain love. maternal/child bonding. mated pair bonding and so on all have describable benefits to the individual and to the species.
     
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    Marc, I have no idea. I grew up in what I thought was a fairly evangelical environment, but was never taught that my faith and evolution were necessarily at odds. I wasn't taught that science was atheistic or something to be treated with skepticism or contempt. It's strange, to me. All I can think is what use to be called evangelicalism has actually become fundamentalism. But, I don't know that.
     
  18. usexpat97

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    If it got absolutely proven either way tomorrow, that would be great. It eliminates some of the guesswork in genetic research.
     
  19. St_Worm2

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    Hello again Marc, I made no "argument against you", rather, I did my best to answer the question that you asked. Beyond that, I have no desire to debate you about this topic. Quite frankly, I really have no way of doing so anyway since I have no idea what you believe.

    God bless you!

    --David
     
  20. Swag365

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    I don't know either. There is nothing to disprove, since evolution has never been proven. Nor has the theory passed the type of rigorous proof standards that are typically demanded by scientists in other fields. It is more of a pseudo-science in my opinion, although it would not bother me in the least were it true.
     
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