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Why do Christians support Donald Trump?

Discussion in 'General Politics' started by ChristianForCats, Nov 11, 2019.

  1. ChristianForCats

    ChristianForCats Christ is born!

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    In 2016 many voters did not support either candidate and voted for Donald Trump just to keep Hillary Clinton out of the White House. When I asked people why they like Trump, that was the most common reason they gave me.

    Three years later we have seen the disaster Trump's administration has been from January 20, 2017 to now. If you like Trump, what are your reasons for this at face value? My confusion is I read about him and see a man who does not know how to lead a nation, but instead only cares about money (which God hates) and absolute power (which only God has) from my POV.

    Please avoid discussing the "He is not a Democrat" and "I hate Hillary Clinton" arguments. This question is strictly about Trump, not the entire Republican Party platform.
     
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  2. Basil the Great

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    A close friend of mine keeps asking me your question. As I keep telling my friend, many conservative Christians support him mostly on one issue. Namely, I refer to his pledge to nominate pro-life justices to the Supreme Court.
     
  3. friend of

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    Hes done a lot of good things. Certainly
     
  4. nonaeroterraqueous

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    This is not a majority rule. It's a plurality rule. Hence, we get to vote for the one most likely to defeat the worse candidate. This has everything to do with Hillary and the Democrats. If we waste our vote on the candidate we most like, then we get the candidate we hate.
    The only disaster I see is the one handed to us by Democrats bent on destroying him. Some of what Trump has done is good, and some is bad, but all of it has been within reasonable limits, which is to say that the nation will adjust to the bad and the good and not likely change much, either for bad or good on his account.

    The disaster that was foisted upon our nation was a moral one, and it happened under the previous president's watch and consent.
     
  5. ChristianForCats

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    What are the good things Donald Trump has done?

    Again, my question has NOTHING to do with Democrats.
     
  6. Phil W

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    What is your definition of "Christian"?
    Mine is...they love God above all else and they love their neighbors as they love themselves.
    With that in mind, who could ever vote for any candidate, as a Christian?
     
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  7. thecolorsblend

    thecolorsblend If God is your Father, who is your Mother?

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    I can kind of understand where Never Trump conservatives (what's left of them, anyway) are coming from. Because respectability or something, idk.

    But I don't think non-conservatives have any right to be surprised by President Trump's support, particularly from Christians. These people were told for at least twenty years that they should check their faith at the door, that we elect Presidents rather than pastors or priests. These types of Christians apparently came around to the opposition's way of thinking. So they did not vote for one any of the outspoken Christians in the 2016 primaries. Rather, they voted for the candidate who promised to have their collective back.

    Speaking of which, I think it's obvious that these types of Christians are seeking a political bodyguard. These voters have had quite a lot of social change rammed down their throats in the past several years (or decades). They've made no secret of their concerns over "same-sex marriage", unchecked illegal immigration, drug epidemics and so forth. At each step of the way, they were told "you lost, deal with it", "nobody cares about you or your precious little religious freedom", "get over it", etc.

    My question for the left is: What did you think would happen? Did you believe that there wouldn't be consequences for any of that? Were you expecting to never pay a price for that type of discourse?

    A lot of Christians fear persecution in the future. You can dismiss that as unlikely as much as you want. But that's how a lot of them see it. They're expecting great difficulties in the years to come. Whether or not they're right about that was never the point. In good faith, that's how they see it. And just about the time their concerns were reaching a fever pitch, President Trump presented himself as someone who can move the needle on the issues they care about.

    Worse (for the left), they've seen President Trump make genuine advancements on the pro-life cause, immigration and other issues. President Trump has largely validated their decision to vote for him. Do you honestly believe they're less likely to vote for him now than they were back in 2016? Ha!

    Worst of all (maybe for all of us), these types of Christians believe that President Trump is shining a light on "the DC establishment", "the elite", "the deep state" or whatever you want to call it. They now see (or think they see) very little relevant difference between Democrats and Republicans. They think politics at this level is a game of touch football, where the two sides pretend to disagree in public but, behind closed doors, pat each other on the back for a job well done in ripping off the American people. Goings on since January 20, 2017 have done NOTHING to change their opinions. On the contrary, they've been reinforced.

    Again, it doesn't matter if these Christians are factually right or factually wrong. This is what they believe. And now they see President Trump as a champion for their causes. It's hard to argue that he hasn't advanced their agenda in ways no previous Republican President has even attempted.

    No less than the New York Times is admitting that President Trump's base is bigger now than it was even in 2016. If 2020 is a referendum on President Trump's first term, say hello to his second term.
     
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  8. Aussie Pete

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    You've answered your own question, mostly. As an outward observer, it seemed to me that Mr Trump was elected precisely because he was not a typical, establishment politician. Instead of judging and criticising, Christians should be obeying the biblical injunction to respect and pray for those in authority. I wonder how many Christians prayed and fasted before voting? Those who did not have no reason to complain now. Those who did should accept God's will, no matter how it seems to conflict with reason. Australia voted in a Christian PM recently. He is not from a mainstream denomination, which is a first. The alternative for Christians was unthinkable for many of us, including me. That is why so many prayed and fasted. No one, except a Christian woman I know well, saw the result coming. God heard and answered. Christians in the US get another opportunity next year. Make the most of the time you have until the election.
     
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  9. Scott1987

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    I'm voting for him in 2020. Lowest unemployment since the 60s or was is 70s? He has done many good things for this country. The Democrats and the false media which is MSNBC, CNN, NBC which denies what Trump did for our country.

    Woe to those who call evil good and good evil, who put darkness for light and light for darkness, who put bitter for sweet and sweet for bitter! Isaiah 5:20 ESV Isaiah 5:20 Woe to those who call evil good and good evil, who put darkness for light and light for darkness, who put bitter for sweet and sweet for bitter! | English Standard Version (ESV) | Download The Bible App Now

    That's what the false media does according to scripture.
     
  10. ChristianForCats

    ChristianForCats Christ is born!

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    People have to sort out which media sources are factual. Just saying "the media" is an assumption there's not a single news source that tells the truth, which is incorrect.

    Pete, there is no reason to fast on anything. All you have to do is pray. "Ask and you will receive."
     
  11. SkyWriting

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    Trump built his platform on issues that people felt strongly about and would resonate with the largest block of voters in the larger states. He still is the only logical choice for those people. It is a winning strategy.
     
  12. ChristianForCats

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    The Republican platform would be accomplished by someone else in that party. Why do you think Trump, who actually has many opponents on the right because of his behavior in office, is the best to do it?
     
  13. thecolorsblend

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    The way a lot of President Trump's supporters see it, career politicians have had decades to advance a conservative agenda. Largely, they have failed. And it's beginning to look to a lot of voters that they simply threw the fight.

    President Trump's opposition from the right is considered an endorsement, of sorts. The types of politicians who oppose him (e.g., the Mitt Romneys of the world) are the kind who have made a cottage industry of running for office. As President Trump has said, "All talk, no action". Of course they oppose President Trump. He's either delivering or trying to deliver on his campaign promises. And I suppose there's just no room for that sort of thing in electoral politics.

    President Trump is the best to do it because he's the only one who has promised things and then gone on to actually deliver them.

    The tweets, the overbearing presence, the borderline obnoxious tone, I think people who are still stuck in a pre-2016 mindset still haven't grasped that President Trump's supporters actually rather enjoy how much he upsets his opposition. To them, the pearl-clutching is all part of the fun.
     
  14. ChristianForCats

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    Before 2016 I did not even know Donald Trump was considering a presidential run. During the Republican primaries, my first impression that Trump is not an honest man was his claim he knows more about ISIS than the generals who are fighting it. Even if he was just delusional, that was not a good way to win more voters because it snowballed from there.
     
  15. Dave-W

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    Indeed. He is a shrewd businessman. And then everyone blasts him for not acting like a politician. (which he is NOT)

    I remember reading back in 2017 just after he took office that some wiccans and black witches started casting spells designed to remove him from office. Apparently they are still at it. I have to wonder why THEY of all people are so bent on removing him.

    Witch hunt: Occult Trump opponents plan Halloween spell to bind him
     
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  16. thecolorsblend

    thecolorsblend If God is your Father, who is your Mother?

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    Assuming he actually said that, apparently saying it didn't hurt his electoral prospects.
     
  17. ChristianForCats

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    No, but you can probably understand why people might only think about how often he makes a variety of false statements regardless of what he has done right. It has been a long pattern for him.
     
  18. Dave-W

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    Standard business tactic.
     
  19. ChristianForCats

    ChristianForCats Christ is born!

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    The White House is not a business.
     
  20. grasping the after wind

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    You seem to assume his supporters agree with your assessment of Trump's administration as a disaster. I do not and I am not and was not what I consider to be a supporter . I have been pleasantly surprised at the job he has done. I expected much less from him. Although I find his performance to be less than I would have like, especially when it comes to spending, I find him to be much better than the last several Presidents in a few areas that I find important. Signing on to Congress cutting taxes, Rolling back government regulation aimed at favoring some and punishing others , Supreme Court nominations, foreign policy and border security to name a few. Those that have a different set of political goals and values should be aware that those are things that garner support rather than alienate it for those that voted for Trump .Yet I still see these posts where people seem to be clueless as to why Trump doing what people elected him to do doesn't make them abandon him. They should ask themselves if they would be dissatisfied and stop supporting a President they voted for because that President was delivering on a lot of his/her promises. Then ask themselves why they would ever want to then reject that president and elect a President that would like to take the country in the opposite direction form which they wanted it to go. It is that simple. If I want to go right and you want to go left we will not want the same person driving the car.
     
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