Why do Christians have trouble with accepting Evolution?

[Extraneous]

Yes, Extraneous, I hear you. Problem is, all you are providing here is the wisdom of the world, your own POV, your opinion. That's fine, That's what we are here for. However, your opinions are essentially worldly wisdom.

Woe unto those who call evil good, and good evil. You might want to be careful what you call worldly. What im saying is based on scripture, unlike your words that are based on a flawed scientific theory.

 

[Hoghead1]

Doesn't work, EastCoast. Who wrote down about Moses writing down what God said?

 

[Extraneous]

That's right, EastCoast, God gave us a brain. And on account of that, we have highly educated scientists who well know how to interpret bones.

You have no understanding of what it means to put on the mind of Christ.

 

[Hoghead1]

And you do, I suppose. How convenient for you.

 

[Hoghead1]

Also, EastCoast, you should follow the rules and be respectful of others here. Yu should not cast aspersion on the character of anyone, most especially your fellow Christians, simply because you do not agree with them. If you disagree, fine. You need to present a rational rebuttal however, not dump all over their character. You asked for a reference. Try the University of Michigan, 1988. Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, where there is a paper titled "Historical contingency and the evolution of a key innovation in an experimental population of Escherichiacol. " Another good reference is the longitudinal fox experiment going on in Russia, where they are investigating whether a fox can be turned into a dog. So far, the results are quite promising, with the foxes taking more and more dog traits, especially tameness, which is the sine qua non of dogdom. Also, Also, it is no doubt by selective breeding that humans evolved dogs from wolves. So there is another example of humans actually crating a new species.

 

[Hoghead1]

No, EastCoast, what you are saying is based on your own belief system. Whether it reflects Scripture or not is another story.

 

[PapaZoom]

Also, EastCoast, you should follow the rules and be respectful of others here. Yu should not cast aspersion on the character of anyone, most especially your fellow Christians, simply because you do not agree with them. If you disagree, fine. You need to present a rational rebuttal however, not dump all over their character. You asked for a reference. Try the University of Michigan, 1988. Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, where there is a paper titled "Historical contingency and the evolution of a key innovation in an experimental population of Escherichiacol. " Another good reference is the longitudinal fox experiment going on in Russia, where they are investigating whether a fox can be turned into a dog. So far, the results are quite promising, with the foxes taking more and more dog traits, especially tameness, which is the sine qua non of dogdom. Also, Also, it is no doubt by selective breeding that humans evolved dogs from wolves. So there is another example of humans actually crating a new species.

Maybe not:
http://www.csmonitor.com/Science/20...e-from-wolves-New-evidence-suggests-otherwise

http://journals.plos.org/plosgenetics/article?id=10.1371/journal.pgen.1004016

They apparently share a common ancestor.

 

[Hoghead1]

NO, Extraneous, this transitional fossils are not nonsense. What ever gave you that idea? Are you reading solid scientific literature, or going on creation-science publications. If the latter, you are reading totally bogus arguments.

 

[Extraneous]

And you do, I suppose. How convenient for you.

Im talking about Christ, not ToE. Look at how contentious this is. Do you not see it? Paul gave up all things for Christ. Christ gave up all things for us. The Anti Christ rules this world. Do you not know that? The devil has been cast down to earth. Rejoice o you heavens and you who dwell there!. Woe unto the earth and sea, the devil has come down to you with great wrath. Do you not understand that holiness is separation from the world? Its warring against us and we must be separate. You cant be a friend of the world because it makes you an enemy of God. Choose, either to love God, or the world. Anything in between is harlotry. We lay down our lives Just as Christ did for us. that's what it means to be a follower of Christ. All these debates and contentious things of the flesh, they don't need to be debated at all, but instead they need to be crucified along with all things flesh and worldly. We don't belong to this world anymore. We must be of one mind and thats only possible by minding ONLY spiritual things, alone, without any worldly things polluting it. CHRIST ALONE. Wake up.

Ephesians 4:14 This is why it is said:

“Wake up, sleeper,
rise from the dead,
and Christ will shine on you.”

15 Be very careful, then, how you live—not as unwise but as wise, 16 making the most of every opportunity, because the days are evil. 17 Therefore do not be foolish, but understand what the Lord’s will is.

 

[Extraneous]

NO, Extraneous, this transitional fossils are not nonsense. What ever gave you that idea? Are you reading solid scientific literature, or going on creation-science publications. If the latter, you are reading totally bogus arguments.

Im reading scripture. Thats the mind of Christ. Choose, the mind of Christ, or the mind of the world.

 

[Hieronymus]

NO, Extraneous, this transitional fossils are not nonsense. What ever gave you that idea? Are you reading solid scientific literature, or going on creation-science publications. If the latter, you are reading totally bogus arguments.

Thatś a bogus argument.

 

[Hoghead1]

You may be well reading Scripture, but the material you are presenting is simply your own opinion on Scripture based on your own interpretation. Who says you are right? I mean, every kook in teh book claims he is reading Scripture and therefore knows the mind of Christ.

 

[Hoghead1]

That's your assessment of the situation, Chgz, not that of the scientific community. That being the case, I would seriously question your case here.

 

[ViaCrucis]

Cute name but what do you or the dude that dug this guy up know about his existence? What is this pile of fossilized bones demonstrating for us? Is this his sit command or his stay command... either way great job.

Really, can no one see the sham of digging up some bones you've never seen before and concocting a back story for it like it came with a biography etched into it.... come on! God gave us intelligence to be able to discern this kind of stuff.... I've got a cabbage patch kid that got a great back story too... maybe he'll be a 'transitional fossil' in a million years...

Good grief.

Kind of like how doctors have no way to know how human physiology works. Bad humors I say!

-CryptoLutheran

 

[jlhbr100]

Not to be rude, but should we just agree to disagree at this point?

This thread is 50 pages of "Science says this", and "No, the Bible says this" with seemingly no end in sight, and people getting worked up.

 

[Paul of Eugene OR]

Not to be rude, but should we just agree to disagree at this point?

This thread is 50 pages of "Science says this", and "No, the Bible says this" with seemingly no end in sight, and people getting worked up.

So true. And we are all going to go on living together, going to church together. We can either be nice to each other or we can be mean to each other, but we aren't going to go away.

 

[Paul of Eugene OR]

This garbage has no place in the Church. We are exhorted to mind spiritual things, not earthly things. Its the same with politics as well, and politics are worldly garbage. If we all minded that rule we wouldn't need to check our brains at the door because we instead will have crucified them, just as we are supposed to do. The wisdom of this world is foolishness, because God has made it so. We put on the mind of Christ. The spirit of this world is warring against us. We must be holy and separate ourselves from this world altogether. Thats how we sow to the spirit instead of the flesh.

So when we go to church, we don't spend a lot of time discussing evolution, I'll grant you that. But if we are interested in God's world, we might choose to read up on what scientists have found out, and there's nothing wrong with doing that. It is wrong, however, mischaracterize their work, say nonsense about what scientists claim and refuse correction on that nonsense, and to declare their solid findings to be false.

 

[Breckmin]

Not to be rude, but should we just agree to disagree at this point?

This thread is 50 pages of "Science says this", and "No, the Bible says this" with seemingly no end in sight, and people getting worked up.

Science doesn't say anything.

Scientists who disagree on origins debate it for a reason... it's called "scientific objections" NOT biblical reasons.

Look at all of the non-believers like Marcel-Paul Schützenberger, Murray Eden, David Berlinski and John von Neumann... their criticism of universal descent had nothing to do with "the Bible says." It is the scientific objections which are censored and
suppressed in today's peer review which are the reasons why the transitional species hypothesis should be questioned.

 

[AmericanChristian91]

You have no understanding of what it means to put on the mind of Christ.

Dude....just stop. You and other anti-evolution posters are going against the rules of this forum by attacking the person's character and their Christian faith of those that disagree with you.

Im sure you would not want someone telling you that you no nothing of the mind of Christ.

 

[AmericanChristian91]

Let me ask the anti-evolution posters a question.

What if....you were proven without a doubt that evolution is true....and this earth is really really......old. How would that affect your christian faith? Would you retain it? Or would evolution being true destroy the belief in the Christian God in your mind?