GeorgiaGuyinAtlanta
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Nothing more than your own presuppositions.
Don't you know that the wisdom of the world is but foolishness to God?
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For example, your body contains vestigial ear wiggling muscles, a clear remnant from an ancestral species that could move its ears to good effect.
goading smileys notwithstanding, yes, that's right.Not according to Armoured... no matter how many times gravity proves itself when he falls on his face, it still doesn't prove science.... right Armoured?
Hand waves and strawmen. See? I was right.ok, let's begin....
The link you provided cited a paper for evidence of speciation. I clicked on the link and this is what I got.... in the plant world, scientists have observed that crossing or comparing different sub species of a fern, for example, could produce the same species of fern but with mutations or variation to the original parent stock.... but it was still a fern. So much for evidence in the plant world.
Then, in response to the animal world this is what they cited...
"Speciation through hybridization and/or polyploidy has long been considered much less important in animals than in plants"..."Bullini and Nasceti (1990) review chromosomal and genetic evidence that suggest that speciation through hybridization may occur in a number of insect species,"
Ahhh, the favorite words of the evolutionists.... 'suggest' and 'may'. And then they end this very short paragraph (most of which is quotes above) with... "I will tackle this topic in greater depth in the next version of this document."... the old "I'm just giving you a taste of my brilliance through suggestion but I'll give you some kind of evidence at a later time" schtick.
So basically the report shows that the scientists observed mutations that caused a chromosomal change with incidence of infertility... that then justifies a species name change in their minds. If that is true, then people with Down's syndrome should be considered a different species using the flawed logic presented in this piece. There chromosones are mutated and they exibit frequent infertility.
What else you got Armoured?
Christian don't support the religion of "evolution" knowing it's rebellion against very God and his word.and seeing you do speaks volumes about your religion. You bring much shame to the name Baptist.Please don't defame religion by using religion as a derogatory term. I am a religious man myself, a Christian, and I think that being religious is a good thing, not a bad thing.
People don't trust evolution for their salvation. They have, however, discovered that species did evolve to become what they are today. Its analogous to discovering that the gravity of the moon causes tides. Interesting, but not a religion.
The science behind evolution theory is quite sound. In fact, evolution is confirmed over and over again by new discoveries in the fossil record and in analysis of living forms. For example, your body contains vestigial ear wiggling muscles, a clear remnant from an ancestral species that could move its ears to good effect.
Yes I agree your religion of "evolution" is anything but Christian or science. BTW your religion of "evolution" has never been "observed" because there are no records or witnesses that are millions let alone billions of years old.That isn't at all accurate, BornAgain. Evolution came from painstaking observations of nature. Alfred Russell Wallace, a colleague of Darwin, spent almost ten years living in jungles, painstakingly studying specimens. That shows a lot of courage and determination. Certainly far more spirit that we arm-chair naturalists have. So, yes, I am going to listen to Wallace, to the man who lived it first-hand.
Sorry, Georgia, can't agree. Evolution was based on painstaking observations in nature. Wallace, a colleague of Darwin, spent almost ten years living in jungles, painstakingly collecting and studying specimens. When you are an arm-chair naturalist, it is east to cast aspersion on evolution. However, you need to remember you were not out there on the front lines of research, either. Given a choice between laity and a scientist who lived it, became one with nature, it's a no-brainer whom I am going to believe.
Yes I agree your religion of "evolution" is anything but Christian or science.
Hmmm how can we be made from dirt and still be related to apes? Yes your religion of "evolution" is indeed contradictory.That simply doesn't work, EastCoast. The Bible says we are made out of dirt. Actually dirt is a far more humble beginning than coming from a common ancestor to ourselves and apes.
If there's no such thing as gravity, how does a denser object know which way to fall?
I think i know some key ideas. Its because it undermines the creation story and that people will become irreligious?
Well wouldnt that be an issue about the idea of the earth is flat if the bible is literal on that part i mean?
What i mean is that science explains our physicial world.
The dark ages are not the height of enlightment - and asking the question "but what did people think in the dark ages" is not an accepted form of "exegesis".The main point i am making is that Creation Story had two interpretations in medieval ages.
So i dont see the problem with evolution, because it doesnt undermine the scripture in the sense of it not being true?
But all you are providing here is the wisdom of the world, Georgia. You are presenting your judgments, your opinions are how God, Science, and Scripture should be related. Who says your worldly wisdom is correct?
Here's my problem, I believe in evolution, and it brings up doubts especially in the OT... were the OT writers simply writing what they "thought" and the way they "felt" about God, and not in an actual words God actually said. Well my problem is I believe the scientific evidence which casts doubt on some of the Bible writers, BUT, I have too much personal experiencial evidence of a God and other spirits existing on another side beside this one.. My personal experiencial evidence stands on it's very own as enough proof for me, but have I encountered the same God (YHWH) spoke about in the OT, some OT acts and verses by God cast a shadow of a doubt on him being a or the God of Love...
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