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Why did Schiff say he has evidence of collusion against Trump when he doesn't?

Discussion in 'American Politics' started by LivingWordUnity, Apr 21, 2019.

  1. LivingWordUnity

    LivingWordUnity Unchanging Deposit of Faith, Traditional Catholic

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  2. HTacianas

    HTacianas Well-Known Member

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    He never said he had evidence of collusion. He said obstruction. Obstruction. LOOK OVER THERE!! We have evidence that the president violated the emoluments clause of the constitution. Emoluments.
     
  3. LivingWordUnity

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  4. Paulos23

    Paulos23 Never tell me the odds!

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    I would argue that based on the following facts shown in the report:

    1) The Russians tried to interfere with the election in favor of Trump.
    2) The Trump campaign team jumped at every hint of dirt that the Russians dangled at them and did not report it to the FBI.

    This is collusion.
     
  5. LivingWordUnity

    LivingWordUnity Unchanging Deposit of Faith, Traditional Catholic

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    Do you think Russia was trying to help Trump when they helped create the Steele dossier?
     
  6. HTacianas

    HTacianas Well-Known Member

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    We should have someone investigate those allegations.
     
  7. Speedwell

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    How do you know they helped?
     
  8. TLK Valentine

    TLK Valentine You will be who you will be. We are our choices.

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    Yes, but it looks like Donald didn't do anything illegal in the process of colluding... and every time he ordered someone else to do something illegal, they either refused or ignored the order.

    Is a mob boss whom everyone ignores still a "boss"? I'll leave that question to the philosophers.
     
  9. Shiloh Raven

    Shiloh Raven Well-Known Member

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    Yes, apparently Trump had some aides who refused to listen to him and follow his orders.

    Trump failed at obstruction because his aides refused to carry out orders, Mueller finds

    Donald Trump Failed to Influence Investigation Largely Because Aides Refused to Listen to Him

    Despite that, Trump could still be charged with obstructing justice.

    Mueller says Trump's public acts can be considered obstruction

    In his report, Mueller invites Congress to investigate Trump obstruction

    Mueller: Congress still has ability to find the President obstructed justice
     
  10. TLK Valentine

    TLK Valentine You will be who you will be. We are our choices.

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    I started a thread on this myself.

    The people who refused to carry out Donald's (illegal) orders

    Indeed -- insanity is a defense in court... stupidity is not.
     
  11. whatbogsends

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    They did investigate and they did corroborate. Mueller found collusion, and it is detailed in his report. Collusion isn't illegal. What they didn't find is enough evidence to bring charges of criminal conspiracy.
     
  12. wing2000

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    ....which is essentially what Schiff said in his response to Wallace.
     
  13. rjs330

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    Typical left wing stuff. They cried collusion, but when none is found they double down.
     
  14. Allandavid

    Allandavid Well-Known Member

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    You haven’t read it, have you...?
     
  15. Paulos23

    Paulos23 Never tell me the odds!

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    Very few have, and most that have has at least one or more items in the report that has changed their minds on Trump. I would call this a fair test on if someone has even read the Executive Summaries of the report.
     
  16. Allandavid

    Allandavid Well-Known Member

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    Yep, this is the world of Trump and his acolytes....don’t believe anything you might read (it’s all “fake”, don’t you know?)....just accept whatever Donny and his enablers tell you....black is white, night is day, wrong is right...
     
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