Why did McCarthy Give Tucker Carlson Exclusive Access to J6 Footage?

[iluvatar5150]

Yeah that’s impossible, to die of natural causes a day later but he died in the line of duty defending the capitol. But we’re not supposed to notice.

No, it’s not impossible.

If an officer suffers some kind of injury in the line of duty that then later results in his death, it’s still considered dying in the line of duty. Guys who got sick on 9/11 (or in the aftermath), for example, and died years later from those illnesses were still considered as having died in the line of duty the same as if they’d been in the towers.

And like I said earlier, head injuries or whatever causes blood clots to form or come loose can take time to develop. I don’t know whether that was the case here, but your arguments against it are flawed.

 

[BPPLEE]

Even grammer becomes an issue

My comments concerned the link of the coroner.

“Even grammer becomes an issue”. Someone argued with me over the placement of a comma earlier

 

[BPPLEE]

No, it’s not impossible.

If an officer suffers some kind of injury in the line of duty that then later results in his death, it’s still considered dying in the line of duty. Guys who got sick on 9/11 (or in the aftermath), for example, and died years later from those illnesses were still considered as having died in the line of duty the same as if they’d been in the towers.

And like I said earlier, head injuries or whatever causes blood clots to form or come loose can take time to develop. I don’t know whether that was the case here, but your arguments against it are flawed.

Except there is video showing that he wasn’t injured and he was wearing a helmet, also the coroner didn’t find any injuries. And from your personal experience we know some people have brain bleeds and collapse without being assaulted.

 

[iluvatar5150]

You said “But you asked me a question about a guy walking around with a head injury and I answered with a personal anecdote about a person walking around for hours with a brain bleed before collapsing in front of me.” Had this person been hit in the head with a blunt object?

Unsure. I’m not aware of a serious blow, but it’s possible they suffered a minor (accidental) one, though even if that did happen, the causality wouldn’t be clear. It could’ve been a trigger or it could’ve been a result of a fall due to problems already manifesting.

Either way, my point is that serious head injuries don’t necessarily manifest their symptoms immediately. When Bob Sagat died, there were a round of articles on that subject.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/wellness/2022/02/11/head-trauma-symptoms-causes/

 

[iluvatar5150]

Except there is video showing that he wasn’t injured and he was wearing a helmet, also the coroner didn’t find any injuries. And from your personal experience we know some people have brain bleeds and collapse without being assaulted.

You’re welcome to argue that point on those grounds…. with someone else who cares.

 

[ralliann]

Unsure. I’m not aware of a serious blow, but it’s possible they suffered a minor (accidental) one, though even if that did happen, the causality wouldn’t be clear. It could’ve been a trigger or it could’ve been a result of a fall due to problems already manifesting.

Either way, my point is that serious head injuries don’t necessarily manifest their symptoms immediately. When Bob Sagat died, there were a round of articles on that subject.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/wellness/2022/02/11/head-trauma-symptoms-causes/

He died of natural causes.

 

[BPPLEE]

You’re welcome to argue that point on those grounds…. with someone else who cares.

If you don’t care why did you post the linked post in response to something that was not addressed to you? Why did McCarthy Give Tucker Carlson Exclusive Access to J6 Footage?

 

[iluvatar5150]

If you don’t care why did you post the linked post in response to something that was not addressed to you? Why did McCarthy Give Tucker Carlson Exclusive Access to J6 Footage?

I hopped into this thread to argue a point about WHEN Silnick died, not HOW he died. Every comment I’ve made regarding HOW he died has been in response to tangents that you have addressed to me, which I have answered despite the fact that HOW he died is not a subject I care to debate.

 

[Hans Blaster]

Yes you ignore anything that disproves your point of view. How did a man with a helmet on receive a blow to the head he later died from? Regardless of why any of those people were there does the truth mean anything to you? Do you think it’s acceptable that all those news outlets reported false information? How many of them have retracted? Are you okay with being lied to? If your scenario applied to this situation wouldn’t the coroner have found the injury?

Wait, where is the evidence that Officer Sicknick was injured by a blow to the head?

We know that he had a bad reaction to bear spray. Sicknick and officer Caroline Edwards were sprayed by Julian Khater, for which he received an 80 month sentence.

https://www.justice.gov/usao-dc/case-multi-defendant/file/1530706/download

There were rumors floating for days after he died that he was hit by a flying object, particularly a fire extinguisher. These appeared in reporting. The online researchers found the extinguisher hurler (a retired PA firefighter named Robert Sanford who is due to be sentenced shortly [ https://www.justice.gov/usao-dc/case-multi-defendant/file/1537796/download ]). The flying fire extinguisher bounced off the helmet of one cop and hit another unhelmeted cop directly on the head. Neither of those were Brian Sicknick.

Sicknick collapsed later that evening (while still on duty, I recall) of a stroke and never recovered. Since the coroner didn't have a direct injury to link to the stroke, it was ruled natural causes. It might have been triggered by the stress of that day or an unidentified injury or the irritation from the bear spray, or it might have happened anyway even if he'd spent the day fishing.

 

[ralliann]

Wait, where is the evidence that Officer Sicknick was injured by a blow to the head?

We know that he had a bad reaction to bear spray. Sicknick and officer Caroline Edwards were sprayed by Julian Khater, for which he received an 80 month sentence.

https://www.justice.gov/usao-dc/case-multi-defendant/file/1530706/download

There were rumors floating for days after he died that he was hit by a flying object, particularly a fire extinguisher. These appeared in reporting. The online researchers found the extinguisher hurler (a retired PA firefighter named Robert Sanford who is due to be sentenced shortly [ https://www.justice.gov/usao-dc/case-multi-defendant/file/1537796/download ]). The flying fire extinguisher bounced off the helmet of one cop and hit another unhelmeted cop directly on the head. Neither of those were Brian Sicknick.

Sicknick collapsed later that evening (while still on duty, I recall) of a stroke and never recovered. Since the coroner didn't have a direct injury to link to the stroke, it was ruled natural causes. It might have been triggered by the stress of that day or an unidentified injury or the irritation from the bear spray, or it might have happened anyway even if he'd spent the day fishing.

He died the next day. Ruled natural causes

 

[Hans Blaster]

He died the next day. Ruled natural causes

I just said that, and why. What was the point of your response?

 

[ralliann]

He died the next day. Ruled natural causes

The addition of cause mentioned.
"It might have been triggered by" blah blah blah.

 

[Pommer]

You fail to understand my point. The operative phrase here is “at the rally.” Sicknick didn’t die until the evening of Jan 7. Yes, there were claims that he was beaten at the rally, but nobody ever claimed that he died at the rally. The claim was always that he died later from injuries sustained during the rally. The argument that @Ana the Ist is putting forward about this guy walking around when he was supposedly dead is just tearing down a straw man.

More like beating a straw dead horse!

 

[Pommer]

I have not seen a good analysis of the locations seen in those clips, yet. (I also wonder why one side of one of the clips is blurred out. Is it for security reasons, or does it give away the deception. At this point Tucker has earned the dropping of the usual "trust but verify" model for such things.)

It’s like amateur-night.
If they’d’ve released the footage but zoomed in to eliminate the timestamps altogether, then when called out on it, release a bunch of stuff with the timestamps but not nearly all of it, ignore complaints. Beg for pity because the mainstream media is being mean.
They missed such a chance to run this into the summer!

 

[Pommer]

You talking about the same cop? I learned he didn't collapse/die till the next day. Seems unrelated to the Jan 6th riots. Why anyone would imagine him killed at the riot would require deliberate misinformation.

EDIT: WITHDRAWN (h/t @Hans Blaster #250)

 

[Pommer]

Except there is video showing that he wasn’t injured and he was wearing a helmet, also the coroner didn’t find any injuries. And from your personal experience we know some people have brain bleeds and collapse without being assaulted.

I will go now and look up how many concussions football players have had in the last ten years, shall I?

After a COVID-lull we’re back up to normal values (mid 200’s)

 

[BPPLEE]

Wait, where is the evidence that Officer Sicknick was injured by a blow to the head?

We know that he had a bad reaction to bear spray. Sicknick and officer Caroline Edwards were sprayed by Julian Khater, for which he received an 80 month sentence.

https://www.justice.gov/usao-dc/case-multi-defendant/file/1530706/download

There were rumors floating for days after he died that he was hit by a flying object, particularly a fire extinguisher. These appeared in reporting. The online researchers found the extinguisher hurler (a retired PA firefighter named Robert Sanford who is due to be sentenced shortly [ https://www.justice.gov/usao-dc/case-multi-defendant/file/1537796/download ]). The flying fire extinguisher bounced off the helmet of one cop and hit another unhelmeted cop directly on the head. Neither of those were Brian Sicknick.

Sicknick collapsed later that evening (while still on duty, I recall) of a stroke and never recovered. Since the coroner didn't have a direct injury to link to the stroke, it was ruled natural causes. It might have been triggered by the stress of that day or an unidentified injury or the irritation from the bear spray, or it might have happened anyway even if he'd spent the day fishing.

Okay.

@iluvatar5150 may want to argue with you about WHEN he died.​

There may not be any evidence that he was struck with a fire extinguisher but it was widely reported.

 

[BPPLEE]

I will go now and look up how many concussions football players have had in the last ten years, shall I?

After a COVID-lull we’re back up to normal values (mid 200’s)
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[Danthemailman]

Blue State Blues: ‘Defenders’ of ‘Democracy’ Who Are Its Enemies

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/...s-defenders-of-democracy-who-are-its-enemies/

President Joe Biden likes to warn us about a rising tide of “autocracy” worldwide, but the greatest danger to democracy lately comes from those who claim to be defending it.

The latest example was the response of Democrats and journalists to Tucker Carlson’s release of new video footage of the Capitol riot of Jan. 6, 2021. They demanded the video be censored, and that News Corp owner Rupert Murdoch pull Carlson off the air.

Schumer: "Rupert Murdoch has a special obligation to stop Tucker Carlson from going on tonight [and] from letting him go on again and again and again [because] our democracy depends on it."

Schumer’s demand was a direct attack on the First Amendment of the U.S. Constitution, which not only guards freedom of the press, but specifically restrains Congress itself from interfering with it: “Congress shall make no law … abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press.”

Schumer violated the Constitution — and, arguably, his oath to defend it. And he had the chutzpah to declare that he was doing so to defend our democracy.

 

[Danthemailman]

QAnon Shaman's mom torches feds after new video shows convict 'escorted' around Capitol

Jacob Chansley of Arizona was jailed on multiple counts following the riot

QAnon Shaman's mom torches feds after new video shows convict 'escorted' around Capitol

The mother of the "QAnon Shaman" arrested in connection with the January 6 Capitol riot proclaimed her son's innocence after House Speaker Kevin McCarthy, R-Calif., shared videotape with "Tucker Carlson Tonight" from that day – some of which shows Jacob Chansley walking through the Capitol unimpeded by law enforcement.

"What has it been like – that is an awful thing to say, it is horrible," Martha Chansley told "Tucker Carlson Tonight."

When asked how she feels to know the United States government and President Biden's administration "hid evidence" that may be considered exculpatory in his case, wherein he was charged with several crimes including civil disorder, obstruction of a proceeding, violent entry, disorderly conduct in a Capitol building, and parading, Chansley said it is very "upsetting."

"It should have come out two years ago. That [video] should have come out two years ago. He's an innocent man. Everything that [Jacob] said that he did is true -- That he walked through open doors. He was escorted through the halls of the Senate."