Why did Israel cross the Red Sea?

[JDMiowa]

The first marriage to use a Mikvah.

Just as Jesus removed sin using a mikvah at a wedding (John 2), Exodus 14 shows another another mikvah used by G_d to remove sin to prepare a people for marriage.
Most say the pillar of fire that G_d was inside went from leading Israel to going to the rear of Israel was to keep Egypt from killing His bride only. I see a dual purpose. It was to allow His bride privacy and all the time she needs to pass through the mikvah. While walking on dry ground the spray of the Red Sea soaked them to the bone. 1 Corinthians 10:2.
Once she had left the mikvah, G_d let's Egypt see and enter the mikvah leading to their judgment because of their unrepentant nature.

If G_d had not have harden Pharaoh's heart, Israel may not have gone through the Mikvah, if not chased by an army.
Actually Israel was suitable to marry G_d only because of the washing of the mikvah's water. Mount Sinai was a wedding ceremony with a cloud over Mount Sinai, being a type of the canopy at a Jewish wedding over the wedding group. The Commandments were the wedding vows, the legal agreement for the marriage. G_d wanted to be their Husband and have Israel be a faithful bride. By the time Moses got down from the mountain he found G_d's bride committing adultery with foreign gods and he broke the agreement that G_d had written with His finger because the people broke the agreement first. G_d had Moses come back for another agreement, G_d hadn't given up. The Red Sea was the mikvah G_d used to remove the sin off of Israel so she the bride could marry her Groom.
(This study has definitely been over my head. Pun intended!)

 

[brinny]

Pardon my ignorance, but what is a Mikvah?

 

[JDMiowa]

Time to google.

 

[JDMiowa]

Jewish Purification: Stone Vessel Workshop Discovered in Galilee - Biblical Archaeology Society

 

[JDMiowa]

Read my other post.
"Why did Jesus turn water into wine?"
That will explain what a Mikvah is.

 

[brinny]

Time to google.

Just did.

It's a "pool"?

Getting back to the OP, are you comparing the Red Sea to one of these pools?

 

[stuart lawrence]

The first marriage to use a Mikvah.

Just as Jesus removed sin using a mikvah at a wedding (John 2), Exodus 14 shows another another mikvah used by G_d to remove sin to prepare a people for marriage.
Most say the pillar of fire that G_d was inside went from leading Israel to going to the rear of Israel was to keep Egypt from killing His bride only. I see a dual purpose. It was to allow His bride privacy and all the time she needs to pass through the mikvah. While walking on dry ground the spray of the Red Sea soaked them to the bone. 1 Corinthians 10:2.
Once she had left the mikvah, G_d let's Egypt see and enter the mikvah leading to their judgment because of their unrepentant nature.

If G_d had not have harden Pharaoh's heart, Israel may not have gone through the Mikvah, if not chased by an army.
Actually Israel was suitable to marry G_d only because of the washing of the mikvah's water. Mount Sinai was a wedding ceremony with a cloud over Mount Sinai, being a type of the canopy at a Jewish wedding over the wedding group. The Commandments were the wedding vows, the legal agreement for the marriage. G_d wanted to be their Husband and have Israel be a faithful bride. By the time Moses got down from the mountain he found G_d's bride committing adultery with foreign gods and he broke the agreement that G_d had written with His finger because the people broke the agreement first. G_d had Moses come back for another agreement, G_d hadn't given up. The Red Sea was the mikvah G_d used to remove the sin off of Israel so she the bride could marry her Groom.
(This study has definitely been over my head. Pun intended!)

They crossed the red sea to get to the other side

 

[JDMiowa]

But not just a pool, read on.

Why did Jesus turn water into wine?

It's true that Jesus didn't perform miracles willy-nilly. So why did He change water into wine at the wedding in Cana of Galilee? (John 2: 1-12). One of the clues is the water-jars mentioned in verses 6-7. These stone jars were never used for drinking because they were used for ceremonial purification / cleansing (verse 6). In the Jewish faith, the water in the stone jars was used for an immersive bath called a mikvah. A mikvah could be an ocean, a river that does not have an outlet (like the Jordan River), it could be a pool or large stone containers that are filled with a spring and / or rain water but has no outlet or drain. It must be filled "naturally" without being carried by humans. It must be water "provided" by God. The water, symbolically from God, is collected from falling rain from heaven, then directed with gutters into the stone containers. The Jews sitting in the mikvah would sit in a fetal position one at a time (when using the stone jars) and would have their hair unbraided and pulled down so it wasn't floating on the surface of the water. Both men and women could go into a mikvah. Before a Jewish bride could be married she must unbraid her hair so that all of her body can be cleansed symbolically by the water. Only the bride had to go under the water for "purification / cleansing" because she represented sinful humanity. The groom didn't go into the mikvah because he represented God who didn't need to be cleansed of sin. Men and women joining the Jewish faith would have to go under this water also. If you were considered unclean, like when women have their monthly menstrual period, before they could go into the temple they had to be symbolically cleansed also. This water would have been nasty to drink, but it was alright for symbolically removing sin from people. You can say the water was dirty, but much more than that, it was full of sin that came off of people who were symbolically cleansed with water from heaven. Christ wanted His disciples to clearly see how dirty this water was. There was about "two or three firkins" (18-27 gallons) of water in each of the stone containers. It's only natural that Jesus and his disciples would find these stone jar mikvahs not full of water. A human body could easily displace 20 gallons of water and even more with larger people and the splashing that would occur when the water was near the brim. The human body is close to the same density as water. So a human weighing 155 lbs. would displace about 18 gallons that weigh about the same. Someone who weighs 200 lbs. may displace 24 gallons. Someone like me who weigh in at over 250 lbs. may push 30 gallons over the side of a full mikvah, not to mention the splashing water that would also go over the side. Jesus had the servants fill them clear to the top ("to the brim") so that anything floating was clearly visible. Christ could have taken their drinking water from clay jars and turned it into wine, but that would not have shown the typology of Christ being the Vine that transforms dirty, earthly water into something holy, pure, and good. What does a vine do? It takes earthly, dirty water filled with nutrients and converts it into grapes, or grape juice. If you place the roots of a vine into pure water with no nutrients in it, the vine would not produce fruit and would die. This first miracle was to show His disciples that He was the True Vine that came from God. Jesus did not perform this miracle simply to make these people happy at the wedding, but to show at a wedding ceremony that He was the True Vine of God. The groom at this wedding was given praise for providing the excellent wine. That's because the groom is responsible for providing the wine. It was Christ who actually provided the better wine as the antitypical groom. He is able to produce fine wine out of sin filled, dirty water. The question now is: will we let Him turn us, sin-filled, dirty, earthly water, into heavenly wine?
This miraculous occasion was also a type / copy of the end-time "marriage of the Lamb" (Jesus). In heaven, Christ will be given praise at the wedding feast ("the marriage supper of the Lamb") by His Heavenly Father ("the governor of the feast") for the heavenly "wine" (His purified / cleansed bride, the New Jerusalem (His wife) and its citizens, the "men" (guests at the marriage supper) - Revelation 19: 6-9. Ephesians 5:25-27 shows that Christ is responsible for the cleansing of His bride / wife.

In John 2: 1-11, Christ "shows" His disciples He is the true vine; in John 15: 1-8, He "tells" his disciples He is the true vine, His Father is the husbandman, and we are the branches bearing the fruit / drink (Just as the disciples came bearing the fruit of the vine to the people at the wedding). Christ always tells a parable before He explains it. Jesus did not come for the holy, but to transform the sinful into a holy fruit.
Jesus turned water into new wine or grape juice.

 

[JDMiowa]

They crossed the red sea to get to the other side

No, they crossed the Red Sea because G-d hardened Pharaoh's heart so he had his army go after Israel and drive them into the Red Sea. G-d used Egypt to help remove Israel's sins by going through the sea which is a Mikvah.

 

[stuart lawrence]

No, they crossed the Red Sea because G-d hardened Pharaoh's heart so he had his army go after Israel and drive them into the Red Sea. G-d used Egypt to help remove Israel's sins by going through the sea which is a Mikvah.

So they didn't cross the red sea to get to the other side?
Hmmm.

We will have to agree to disagree there

 

[JDMiowa]

So they didn't cross the red sea to get to the other side?
Hmmm.

We will have to agree to disagree there

No, your answer was for the chicken question.

 

[stuart lawrence]

If they went through the red sea to have their sins removed it didn't do them much good did it?

They were soon complaining against God, had unbelief and were worshipping a golden calf.

 

[JDMiowa]

G-d wanted Israel to go into a Mikvah and he used Egypt to get it done.

 

[stuart lawrence]

Why weren't they sent back through the red sea to be purged of their sin after worshipping the golden calf?

 

[stuart lawrence]

Of course, sin is not taken into account when there is no law( rom5:13)
And the law had not yet been given when they crossed the red sea

 

[JDMiowa]

If they went through the red sea to have their sins removed it didn't do them much good did it?

They were soon complaining against God, had unbelief and were worshipping a golden calf.

Going into a Mikvah doesn't make you stop sinning. It symbolic for going back into the womb and being born again without sin. Every Jewish bride must go into a Mikvah before marriage.

 

[JDMiowa]

No law??? Did Cain sin? Did Moses commit murder? Don't be foolish.

 

[brinny]

But not just a pool, read on.

Why did Jesus turn water into wine?

It's true that Jesus didn't perform miracles willy-nilly. So why did He change water into wine at the wedding in Cana of Galilee? (John 2: 1-12). One of the clues is the water-jars mentioned in verses 6-7. These stone jars were never used for drinking because they were used for ceremonial purification / cleansing (verse 6). In the Jewish faith, the water in the stone jars was used for an immersive bath called a mikvah. A mikvah could be an ocean, a river that does not have an outlet (like the Jordan River), it could be a pool or large stone containers that are filled with a spring and / or rain water but has no outlet or drain. It must be filled "naturally" without being carried by humans. It must be water "provided" by God. The water, symbolically from God, is collected from falling rain from heaven, then directed with gutters into the stone containers. The Jews sitting in the mikvah would sit in a fetal position one at a time (when using the stone jars) and would have their hair unbraided and pulled down so it wasn't floating on the surface of the water. Both men and women could go into a mikvah. Before a Jewish bride could be married she must unbraid her hair so that all of her body can be cleansed symbolically by the water. Only the bride had to go under the water for "purification / cleansing" because she represented sinful humanity. The groom didn't go into the mikvah because he represented God who didn't need to be cleansed of sin. Men and women joining the Jewish faith would have to go under this water also. If you were considered unclean, like when women have their monthly menstrual period, before they could go into the temple they had to be symbolically cleansed also. This water would have been nasty to drink, but it was alright for symbolically removing sin from people. You can say the water was dirty, but much more than that, it was full of sin that came off of people who were symbolically cleansed with water from heaven. Christ wanted His disciples to clearly see how dirty this water was. There was about "two or three firkins" (18-27 gallons) of water in each of the stone containers. It's only natural that Jesus and his disciples would find these stone jar mikvahs not full of water. A human body could easily displace 20 gallons of water and even more with larger people and the splashing that would occur when the water was near the brim. The human body is close to the same density as water. So a human weighing 155 lbs. would displace about 18 gallons that weigh about the same. Someone who weighs 200 lbs. may displace 24 gallons. Someone like me who weigh in at over 250 lbs. may push 30 gallons over the side of a full mikvah, not to mention the splashing water that would also go over the side. Jesus had the servants fill them clear to the top ("to the brim") so that anything floating was clearly visible. Christ could have taken their drinking water from clay jars and turned it into wine, but that would not have shown the typology of Christ being the Vine that transforms dirty, earthly water into something holy, pure, and good. What does a vine do? It takes earthly, dirty water filled with nutrients and converts it into grapes, or grape juice. If you place the roots of a vine into pure water with no nutrients in it, the vine would not produce fruit and would die. This first miracle was to show His disciples that He was the True Vine that came from God. Jesus did not perform this miracle simply to make these people happy at the wedding, but to show at a wedding ceremony that He was the True Vine of God. The groom at this wedding was given praise for providing the excellent wine. That's because the groom is responsible for providing the wine. It was Christ who actually provided the better wine as the antitypical groom. He is able to produce fine wine out of sin filled, dirty water. The question now is: will we let Him turn us, sin-filled, dirty, earthly water, into heavenly wine?
This miraculous occasion was also a type / copy of the end-time "marriage of the Lamb" (Jesus). In heaven, Christ will be given praise at the wedding feast ("the marriage supper of the Lamb") by His Heavenly Father ("the governor of the feast") for the heavenly "wine" (His purified / cleansed bride, the New Jerusalem (His wife) and its citizens, the "men" (guests at the marriage supper) - Revelation 19: 6-9. Ephesians 5:25-27 shows that Christ is responsible for the cleansing of His bride / wife.

In John 2: 1-11, Christ "shows" His disciples He is the true vine; in John 15: 1-8, He "tells" his disciples He is the true vine, His Father is the husbandman, and we are the branches bearing the fruit / drink (Just as the disciples came bearing the fruit of the vine to the people at the wedding). Christ always tells a parable before He explains it. Jesus did not come for the holy, but to transform the sinful into a holy fruit.
Jesus turned water into new wine or grape juice.

Is it a tradition?

 

[stuart lawrence]

No law??? Did Cain sin? Did Moses commit murder? Don't be foolish.

For before the law was given sin was in the world, but sin is not taken into account when there is no law
Rom5:13

 

[stuart lawrence]

Anyway, no water touched them when they went through the sea, so how could they have had a baptism to be purged of their sin?