Why did God make it so that the sins of one could negatively impact another?

[Maria Billingsley]

I'll ask a question for discussion:

Why did God create a world (or put in place the processes that would create a world) in which the sins of one individual could negatively impact another through no fault of their own?

EDIT: Imagine a hypothetical world in which every action or inaction has a positive or negative consequence, but negative consequences only ever affect the sinning individual never innocent targets or bystanders. This would be a more just world than our current one and if I can imagine it, then I am sure God could too and could make it if He wanted - so why didn't He?

It is called consequence.
Be blessed.

 

[fwGod]

I'll ask a question for discussion:

Why did God create a world (or put in place the processes that would create a world) in which the sins of one individual could negatively impact another through no fault of their own?

EDIT: Imagine a hypothetical world in which every action or inaction has a positive or negative consequence, but negative consequences only ever affect the sinning individual never innocent targets or bystanders. This would be a more just world than our current one and if I can imagine it, then I am sure God could too and could make it if He wanted - so why didn't He?

A more just world would be if sin had never been allowed to step foot in the garden of Eden. But who's fault was that? God's? No. God had given authority over to Adam. But he was the policeman who became compromised into that of a dirty cop.

God's garden of Eden was just. But then disobedience snuck in and ruined that pleasant set up. God set it up so that good would spread to everyone. God intended for the garden of Eden to spread and cover the whole earth. The intent from God was that it would be heaven on earth.

However the wrench in the machine twisted God's set up to cause evil to spread to everyone.

Since God had given authority to Adam, the disobedience caused a shift of authority to go to the one who threw the wrench in the set up, because Adam made himself obedient to the devil instead of God. The sin that Adam committed brought death into the world.

The thief and liar could now influence sinful man to do his bidding. The first to die was Abel by his older brother Cain. It happened because Abel was doing good but evil wants to eradicate all good to make it a hell on earth.

There are times when God stopped evil.. such as in Noah's day.. when God judged the evil generation He set up a way to protect the innocent.

In Abraham's day.. when God judged the evil cities He provided protection to he innocent.

In Joshua's day a woman and her family were protected when his army fought with the city's military. In David's day, he fought with and defeated a giant who was the enemies battle champion. The small stone to the giant's head was just as effective as a bullet shot from a military weapon in time of war.

In Chronicles.. when an evil army was set on killing the army of God's covenant people.. the battle strategy resulted in the evil army wiping themselves out.

In the Psalms.. there are verses in a chapter that speak of the innocent only watching from a safe distance while the evil are destroyed. That same thing is reflected in the book of Revelation.

The Bible indicates that there will come a time when the pleasant life without any trace of evil will once again be on the earth. A heaven on earth. Because God sent His own Son.. uncompromising, to undo all the effects of evil. And together God and Son make a world of good for Adam-kind that will last forever.

 

[Dave L]

How can free will only apply to the law? Free will is completely irrelevant to salvation. Both the saved and the condemned have free will. You still keep dodging my question about John 15:2 and John 15:6. How can the statements in these verses be true if predestination is correct? I have a whole list of problems predestination brings about but I’ll keep it to just these two for now so as to not bombard you with too many questions at once.

Obedience is a free will choice that you apply to the gospel. Turning it into law. It also turns grace (not conditioned on obedience) into works. Learn how salvation by grace works and you will understand this.

 

[BNR32FAN]

Obedience is a free will choice that you apply to the gospel. Turning it into law. It also turns grace (not conditioned on obedience) into works. Learn how salvation by grace works and you will understand this.

Yes you keep saying this but why can’t you answer my question about John 15:2 & John 15:6? Paul said test everything and hold to that which is good. So if our beliefs can not withstand the test of scripture then they cannot be correct. Our beliefs must be in line with all scripture not just some of it. There’s a perfectly good reason why no church taught reformed theology before the 16th century, because it wasn’t what Jesus and the apostles taught. Every church established by the apostles has rejected reformed theology. Obedience to God is not works based salvation it’s love based salvation.

“"If you love Me, you will keep My commandments.”
‭‭John‬ ‭14:15‬ ‭NASB‬‬

 

[Dave L]

Yes you keep saying this but why can’t you answer my question about John 15:2 & John 15:6? Paul said test everything and hold to that which is good. So if our beliefs can not withstand the test of scripture then they cannot be correct. Our beliefs must be in line with all scripture not just some of it. There’s a perfectly good reason why no church taught reformed theology before the 16th century, because it wasn’t what Jesus and the apostles taught. Every church established by the apostles has rejected reformed theology. Obedience to God is not works based salvation it’s love based salvation.

“"If you love Me, you will keep My commandments.”
‭‭John‬ ‭14:15‬ ‭NASB‬‬

Jesus is the true vine. God removed unbelieving Isreal from the vine.

 

[BNR32FAN]

Jesus is the true vine. God removed unbelieving Isreal from the vine.

There’s no mention of unbelief anywhere in that chapter. It’s about bearing fruit and keeping His commandments. And you didn’t answer how these people were in Christ unless The Father had granted them and yet some are cut off and cast away. You do believe that no one can come to Christ unless it has been granted by The Father right? And you believe that all who come to Him He will not cast out right? So how are these people who are in Christ being cast out? In order to be in Christ they must first believe. They cannot be in Christ without believing. And how can they believe if they haven’t been granted it by God. Do you see the problem?

 

[Dave L]

There’s no mention of unbelief anywhere in that chapter. It’s about bearing fruit and keeping His commandments. And you didn’t answer how these people were in Christ unless The Father had granted them and yet some are cut off and cast away. You do believe that no one can come to Christ unless it has been granted by The Father right? And you believe that all who come to Him He will not cast out right? So how are these people who are in Christ being cast out? In order to be in Christ they must first believe. They cannot be in Christ without believing. And how can they believe if they haven’t been granted it by God. Do you see the problem?

The fruit of the Holy Spirit is good fruit. Jesus is the vine such is rooted in.

 

[BNR32FAN]

The fruit of the Holy Spirit is good fruit. Jesus is the vine such is rooted in.

Your still dodging the issue between your interpretation of John 6 and the message in John 15. They are not in line together.

 

[Akita Suggagaki]

Because our main lesson to learn in this existence is that we are all interconnected.

 

[Dave L]

Your still dodging the issue between your interpretation of John 6 and the message in John 15. They are not in line together.

Jesus IS Israel in the NT. God removed the unbelievers from him.

 

[YesMe]

Every action has a reaction equal in power, good leads to more good and bad leads to more bad, there's a natural order for all things, it is that simple.

 

[BNR32FAN]

Jesus IS Israel in the NT. God removed the unbelievers from him.

Again there is nothing about unbelief in the entire chapter. Jesus is talking to His 11 faithful apostles telling them the importance of abiding in Him and bearing fruit. The whole message is about having love Him and for others which will result in bearing fruit (good works). And He makes the consequences of failing to abide in Him very clear, the result is loss of salvation. It’s a very clear and precise message that doesn’t require any special decoding or riddle pondering to understand.

 

[BNR32FAN]

Jesus IS Israel in the NT. God removed the unbelievers from him.

What does Jesus mean when He says “Abide in Me” in verse 4? Is He telling His 11 faithful apostles to continue to believe in Him? According to John 6:64 Jesus already knew they believed and if your belief that they cannot come to Him unless The Father grants them (which He obviously has) and therefore they cannot lose their salvation then saying that this message is about unbelief contradicts your own theology. We know for a fact that they believed. So what did Jesus mean when He told them to abide in Him?

 

[Dave L]

What does Jesus mean when He says “Abide in Me” in verse 4? Is He telling His 11 faithful apostles to continue to believe in Him? According to John 6:64 Jesus already knew they believed and if your belief that they cannot come to Him unless The Father grants them (which He obviously has) and therefore they cannot lose their salvation then saying that this message is about unbelief contradicts your own theology. We know for a fact that they believed. So what did Jesus mean when He told them to abide in Him?

He tells all to abide in him just as the gospel is preached to all. But only the born again will persevere.

 

[Dave L]

Again there is nothing about unbelief in the entire chapter. Jesus is talking to His 11 faithful apostles telling them the importance of abiding in Him and bearing fruit. The whole message is about having love Him and for others which will result in bearing fruit (good works). And He makes the consequences of failing to abide in Him very clear, the result is loss of salvation. It’s a very clear and precise message that doesn’t require any special decoding or riddle pondering to understand.

“Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.” 1 John 3:9 (KJV 1900)
Recheck your thinking.

 

[BNR32FAN]

He tells all to abide in him just as the gospel is preached to all. But only the born again will persevere.

The word abide means to stay, remain, continue. Why would He tell His faithful 11 apostles to stay, remain, continue in Him if they are incapable of doing otherwise? We’ve already established that they were believers and Jesus knew that so why tell them to abide if they are believers which means they are granted by The Father to come to Christ and yet like you say they cannot fail if they are granted by The Father? Seems like a pointless statement to anyone when you really think about it. He might as well had told them not to jump out of the atmosphere or they will suffocate.

 

[BNR32FAN]

“Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.” 1 John 3:9 (KJV 1900)
Recheck your thinking.

Is this verse saying once a person is born again he can never sin or is it saying that a person who sins is not born of God? At least not at that time when he is committing the sin. Are you born of God? Do you sin?

 

[Dave L]

Is this verse saying once a person is born again he can never sin or is it saying that a person who sins is not born of God? At least not at that time when he is committing the sin. Are you born of God? Do you sin?

You need to experience what it is talking about to understand it.

 

[Dave L]

The word abide means to stay, remain, continue. Why would He tell His faithful 11 apostles to stay, remain, continue in Him if they are incapable of doing otherwise? We’ve already established that they were believers and Jesus knew that so why tell them to abide if they are believers which means they are granted by The Father to come to Christ and yet like you say they cannot fail if they are granted by The Father? Seems like a pointless statement to anyone when you really think about it. He might as well had told them not to jump out of the atmosphere or they will suffocate.

God works in us to will and to do of his good pleasure using means. It's all part of salvation.

 

[HARK!]

Why did God create a world (or put in place the processes that would create a world) in which the sins of one individual could negatively impact another through no fault of their own?

How would anyone be tested?

EDIT: Imagine a hypothetical world in which every action or inaction has a positive or negative consequence, but negative consequences only ever affect the sinning individual never innocent targets or bystanders. This would be a more just world than our current one and if I can imagine it, then I am sure God could too and could make it if He wanted - so why didn't He?

Would that really be free will?