Why Atheism?

[Rasta]

What does a just war like the crusades have to do with it?

It was not a just war, and it shows that despite all of these teachings that killing is wrong, for thousands of years, Christians still had not learned their lesson by the middle ages.

 

[Holy Roller]

Doesn't Jesus command you to turn the other cheek? Doesn't Jesus command you to love your enemy?

Why are you bad at following Jesus' commands?

This is the grave danger with Atheists trying to interpret scripture. No offense, but Atheists also say the Bible is evil because Jesus said he came for division, that you can't follow him unless you hate your parents, that G-d is kind to the unthankful and evil because G-d Himself is evil, etc.

THe Atheist does the greates damage to himself when he tries to interpret scripture without the backing of the Holy Spirit of G-d. Since the Atheist does not have the Holy Spirit in him when he goes to read the scripture, his interpretation will come out mis-informed. You can only accept what I'm saying if you believe in the Holy Spirit in the first place. Unbelief means this entire paragraph will make no sense, rendering you the same person who's in grave danger as at the outset.

Jesus Christ says to love our enemies. If the Spirit were with you when you read that scripture, the Spirit would have prompted you to ask yourself what an enemy is in the first place. "What or who is this enemy Jesus is talking about, I wonder?" should have been a prominent question.
THe answer is found in Luke 6:27.
Luke 6:27 is Jesus telling us to love our enemies. But who is our enemy? Well, the four people who sinned against us following the command, that's who. And those four people are:

1. People who curse us.
2. People who spitefully use us.
3. People who physically assult us. And,
4. People who steal from us.

Indeed, we now know (Atheists on this forum, Christians, Moderators and agnostics) why I'm exposing the Atheists on this forum for the frauds they are: they are not my enemies; in reading their posts here and at richarddawkins, they hide an evil intent. I know their hearts, and suffice it to say, their hearts are darkened and hardened. For this reason I shall spare all expense at extending grace to them.
I take the stance toward the Atheist as Jesus Himself did toward the Pharesee. THe Pharesee wasn't Jesus' enemy, thus, Jesus made the bullwhip. Likewise, reminded the Pharesee that they are white-washed tombs, and unrighteous.
I see little difference between the Pharesee of yesteryear and the Atheist of today. They like pointing their fingers at the religious in mockery, telling the world how hypocritical they are when it's the Atheist who's acting the hypocrite, deflecting his hypocracy onto the religious person. We see this unrelenting conduct at Atheist forums a lot, and many times here.

There are those very, very rare Atheists I'd take exception to. Carl Sagan would be one. Reading some of his books makes it immediately apparent that the guy had a good heart. He didn't condemn the religious, let alone condemn the religious to mask his hypocracy and sinning.

 

[Holy Roller]

It was not a just war, and it shows that despite all of these teachings that killing is wrong, for thousands of years, Christians still had not learned their lesson by the middle ages.

Lol, you guys (Atheists) sent millions of people to gas chambers and murdered like 30 million people just because they're believers and now you'e saying the crusades were not just...

People, do you see what I mean? Is it now apparent the fraud I am trying to expose? They will run around the liberal college campuses thinking that the history lesson in the Western tradition was factual and that the Christians engaging the Turkish enemy was "killing in the name of a god" or "yet another instance of religious extremism" and so fourth, just to cover up their own hypocricy of sending Jews to gas chambers and Christians in russia to death camps.

With G-d, all things are possible, including the ressurection of the corrupted soul of the Atheist. However, G-d gave them up to iniquity in the first place. They have to take the first step to return. And I don't believe that their registration with this forum is that first step. In the rare instance it is, I will extend a hand of grace and compassion. Until then, it has to be shown the full extent of their folly.

 

[Bombila]

If you guys wanna keep believing this nonsense Bombila is saying (not that I think you do), you may want to go to this link. It's an active, open forum at richarddawkins. It shows quite clearly that I have been keenly accurate in my assessments of Atheists:
http://www.richarddawkins.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=58850

Here we see Atheists, just as paranoid as I have been saying they are, being, well, paranoid. Someone asks about not being "100% Atheists" and all the Atheists jump on his case, suspecting him of being a troll:
http://www.richarddawkins.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=58424

Atheists in consensus agree that Josef Stalin was a theist and perhaps Christian:
http://www.richarddawkins.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=58274

I could go on and on and on and on...

Indeed, you do go on and on.

You are not, at this moment, talking to atheists on the Dawkins forum. I don't participate on the Dawkins forum, not because I have anything against Dawkins but because I'm seldom interested in the topics there.

You are, in fact, speaking to various atheists, with various worldviews, various moralities, various personalities.

If I performed like you have continually performed since you joined these forums, then I would be saying 'all Christians are like HR here, they believe this, they do that', when obviously that would not be true.

Einstein and Hitler and Stalin have been dead for a very long time. Tomas de Torquemada and Hugh Latimer and Cotton Mather are dead. There, we are even! Perhaps now you can tear away the veil of historical illusion and address the real living humans that are here, like myself, and give up making stuff up about us, as you have likewise been doing to the Pagans and Wiccans.

I seriously doubt that you even bother to read my posts, merely note the name and faihtless icon and proceed directly to slander and pointless accusations about another forum.

 

[Rasta]

This is the grave danger with Atheists trying to interpret scripture. No offense, but Atheists also say the Bible is evil because Jesus said he came for division, that you can't follow him unless you hate your parents, that G-d is kind to the unthankful and evil because G-d Himself is evil, etc.

Well Christians say that "God Hates America!", but you don't see me bringing that up do you? Why you ask? Because I am honest with myself and I am aware that one Christian doesn't speak for ALL Christians.

So, if you have the ability, please try and stick to what I say and stop with these endless strawman arguments of yours.

THe Atheist does the greates damage to himself when he tries to interpret scripture without the backing of the Holy Spirit of G-d. Since the Atheist does not have the Holy Spirit in him when he goes to read the scripture, his interpretation will come out mis-informed.

Off topic.

You can only accept what I'm saying if you believe in the Holy Spirit in the first place. Unbelief means this entire paragraph will make no sense, rendering you the same person who's in grave danger as at the outset.

So enlighten us please. What does "turn the other cheek" imply?

My atheist mind thought it meant being the bigger person and not resorting to petty insults, or does this verse only apply to slapping the face?

Oh, btw, I'm kinda cold, can I please have your shirt?

Jesus Christ says to love our enemies. If the Spirit were with you when you read that scripture, the Spirit would have prompted you to ask yourself what an enemy is in the first place. "What or who is this enemy Jesus is talking about, I wonder?" should have been a prominent question.
THe answer is found in Luke 6:27.
Luke 6:27 is Jesus telling us to love our enemies. But who is our enemy? Well, the four people who sinned against us following the command, that's who. And those four people are:

1. People who curse us.
2. People who spitefully use us.
3. People who physically assult us. And,
4. People who steal from us.

Indeed, we now know (Atheists on this forum, Christians, Moderators and agnostics) why I'm exposing the Atheists on this forum for the frauds they are: they are not my enemies; in reading their posts here and at richarddawkins, they hide an evil intent. I know their hearts, and suffice it to say, their hearts are darkened and hardened. For this reason I shall spare all expense at extending grace to them.
I take the stance toward the Atheist as Jesus Himself did toward the Pharesee. THe Pharesee wasn't Jesus' enemy, thus, Jesus made the bullwhip. Likewise, reminded the Pharesee that they are white-washed tombs, and unrighteous.
I see little difference between the Pharesee of yesteryear and the Atheist of today. They like pointing their fingers at the religious in mockery, telling the world how hypocritical they are when it's the Atheist who's acting the hypocrite, deflecting his hypocracy onto the religious person. We see this unrelenting conduct at Atheist forums a lot, and many times here.

There are those very, very rare Atheists I'd take exception to. Carl Sagan would be one. Reading some of his books makes it immediately apparent that the guy had a good heart. He didn't condemn the religious, let alone condemn the religious to mask his hypocracy and sinning.

So, the justification for your rude behavior is that atheists are not your enemy so you don't need to be loving to us, and Jesus taught you this?

So, what does that make us? Your friend? Your neighbor? Or what?

 

[Rasta]

Lol, you guys (Atheists) sent millions of people to gas chambers and murdered like 30 million people just because they're believers and now you'e saying the crusades were not just...

Here you go again . . . . .

You are funny.

Do you think anyone here takes you seriously? Even Christians here don't want to be associated with you.

People, do you see what I mean?

Who are you talking to?

Is it now apparent the fraud I am trying to expose?

Perhaps you should create a poll to see how many people share your thoughts?

They will run around the liberal college campuses thinking that the history lesson in the Western tradition was factual and that the Christians engaging the Turkish enemy was "killing in the name of a god" or "yet another instance of religious extremism" and so fourth, just to cover up their own hypocricy of sending Jews to gas chambers and Christians in russia to death camps.

I can assure you, I did no shuch thing.

With G-d, all things are possible, including the ressurection of the corrupted soul of the Atheist. However, G-d gave them up to iniquity in the first place. They have to take the first step to return. And I don't believe that their registration with this forum is that first step. In the rare instance it is, I will extend a hand of grace and compassion. Until then, it has to be shown the full extent of their folly.

 

[Holy Roller]

Well Christians say that "God Hates America!", but you don't see me bringing that up do you? Why you ask? Because I am honest with myself and I am aware that one Christian doesn't speak for ALL Christians.

So, if you have the ability, please try and stick to what I say and stop with these endless strawman arguments of yours.

So enlighten us please. What does "turn the other cheek" imply?

My atheist mind thought it meant being the bigger person and not resorting to petty insults, or does this verse only apply to slapping the face?o, the justification for your rude behavior is that atheists are not your enemy so you don't need to be loving to us, and Jesus taught you this?

So, what does that make us? Your friend? Your neighbor? Or what?

Turning the other cheek is indeed from Luke 6. That's where Yeshua says, "...and if [your enemy] strikes you on one cheek, offer the other, also." But none of this applies to the Atehist. G-d looks at the heart. And what's on the heart of the person striking me on my cheek? Stealing my turban? Cursing me? Spitefully using me? What is on his heart is different than what's on he Atheist's heart. G-d looks at intent. Motive. The heart condition. And G-d may very well see that I deserved to get slapped. Or, the guy stealing from me was in need. Or, the guy cursing me had a bad day. Or the guy spitefully using me is going through a transitory spiritual illness. It's hard for me to tell. And because of that, I'll follow Luke 6:27 the best I'm able.

Please note that all of this would be pointless and academic if I didn't mentio the Atheist. Again, the Atheist is in a different place than the guy listed above, who committed these sins against me; the Atheist is inherently diabolical. His spirit is corrupted. G-d gave him up to vile passions. The Atheist is a different person altogether, compared with the person above, who slapped me, spitefully used me, stole from me or cursed me.

The Atheist is the modern analogue to the Pharesee.

 

[Rasta]

Turning the other cheek is indeed from Luke 6. That's where Yeshua says, "...and if [your enemy] strikes you on one cheek, offer the other, also." But none of this applies to the Atehist.

Why does this not apply to antheists? Also why did you insert enemy into that verse? Does Jesus approve of you changing his words when you are justifying your immoral behavior?

Here is the actual verse. I bolded the words that you seem to not comprehend. It must suck to have an atheist who knows scripture better than you do correct you.

But I tell you who hear me: Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you. If someone strikes you on one cheek, turn to him the other also. If someone takes your cloak, do not stop him from taking your tunic. Give to everyone who asks you, and if anyone takes what belongs to you, do not demand it back. Do to others as you would have them do to you.

G-d looks at the heart. And what's on the heart of the person striking me on my cheek? Stealing my turban? Cursing me? Spitefully using me? What is on his heart is different than what's on he Atheist's heart.

Are you god? If not, how do you know what's in an atheist's heart?

G-d looks at intent. Motive. The heart condition.

Define "the heart condition" please.

And G-d may very well see that I deserved to get slapped. Or, the guy stealing from me was in need. Or, the guy cursing me had a bad day. Or the guy spitefully using me is going through a transitory spiritual illness. It's hard for me to tell. And because of that, I'll follow Luke 6:27 the best I'm able.

Well, it does not seem like you are trying very hard. I'm an atheist, and I am able to follow these commandments better than you.

What's with that?

Please note that all of this would be pointless and academic if I didn't mentio the Atheist. Again, the Atheist is in a different place than the guy listed above, who committed these sins against me; the Atheist is inherently diabolical. His spirit is corrupted. G-d gave him up to vile passions. The Atheist is a different person altogether, compared with the person above, who slapped me, spitefully used me, stole from me or cursed me.

The Atheist is the modern analogue to the Pharesee.

I think you are wrong. Where does Jesus say "do all of this except for Pharisees!"

Are you just inserting your own bias into interpreting something that is not there?

Seem like it to me.

But I will remain the bigger person, I will turn the other cheek and let you slap my other cheek.

 

[Rasta]

Turning the other cheek is indeed from Luke 6. That's where Yeshua says, "...and if [your enemy] strikes you on one cheek, offer the other, also." But none of this applies to the Atehist. G-d looks at the heart. And what's on the heart of the person striking me on my cheek? Stealing my turban? Cursing me? Spitefully using me? What is on his heart is different than what's on he Atheist's heart. G-d looks at intent. Motive. The heart condition. And G-d may very well see that I deserved to get slapped. Or, the guy stealing from me was in need. Or, the guy cursing me had a bad day. Or the guy spitefully using me is going through a transitory spiritual illness. It's hard for me to tell. And because of that, I'll follow Luke 6:27 the best I'm able.

Please note that all of this would be pointless and academic if I didn't mentio the Atheist. Again, the Atheist is in a different place than the guy listed above, who committed these sins against me; the Atheist is inherently diabolical. His spirit is corrupted. G-d gave him up to vile passions. The Atheist is a different person altogether, compared with the person above, who slapped me, spitefully used me, stole from me or cursed me.

The Atheist is the modern analogue to the Pharesee.

Oh, and I noticed that you edited out my question to you, hoping that I would not notice.

Can I have your shirt please? I'm very cold. Can I please borrow some money from you? I'm a little short on rent this month and it would be really helpful.

I know you'll do the right thing.

 

[UncleHermit]

Why? Here:


http://atheism.about.com/od/einsteingodreligion/tp/Was-Einstein-an-Atheist-.htm

This is the last time I'm going to do an Atheist's homework. It's time you guys actually do something constructive for a change.

That quote doesn't say anything about why people become atheists.

 

[Eudaimonist]

http://atheism.about.com/od/einsteingodreligion/tp/Was-Einstein-an-Atheist-.htm

I had seen that site. None of those quotes say what you had claimed that Einstein was saying.


eudaimonia,

Mark

 

[Holy Roller]

Why does this not apply to antheists? Also why did you insert enemy into that verse? Does Jesus approve of you changing his words when you are justifying your immoral behavior?

Again, we're getting around to the dangers of non-believers relying on their own minds to interpret scripture. You don't see this as important, because you're not a believer. There's no amount of typing I can do to convince you of the importance of having the guidance and the wisdom of the Holy Spirit when reading scripture. For this reason, I am forever in this brain-deadening dialogue with you, where I'll have to be repetitive and redundant.
Don't take this as rudeness; take it as a matter of spiritual fact.

Now about Luke 6:27. I inserted >>> [your enemy] because that's exactly what Yeshua was talikeng about. He was talking about your enemy. But since you do not have the Holy Spirit within you, you posted this: "Also why did you insert enemy into that verse? Does Jesus approve of you changing his words when you are justifying your immoral behavior?"

Here is the actual verse. I bolded the words that you seem to not comprehend. It must suck to have an atheist who knows scripture better than you do correct you.

Again, it has nothing to do with knowledge. THere are tons of people at richarddawkins wh can recite the Bible like Arabs can recite the Koran. But at the end of the day, the Bible is nothing but words, because they do not know the Holy Spirit, thus the Holy Spirit was not around to help them interpret the scripture they just read.

Are you god? If not, how do you know what's in an atheist's heart?
Define "the heart condition" please.

If your righteousness does not exceed the righteousness of the Atheist, you will by no means enter into the Kingdom of Heaven.

But I will remain the bigger person, I will turn the other cheek and let you slap my other cheek.

Again, if a person's righteousness does not exceed the righteousness of the Atheist's, he will by no means enter into the Kingdom of Heaven.

 

[Holy Roller]

I had seen that site. None of those quotes say what you had claimed that Einstein was saying.


eudaimonia,

Mark

Again, I refuse to do the homework for the Atheists. I'm probably going to make that my signature pretty soon.

 

[UncleHermit]

Richarddawkins forum doesn't respect the Christian poster because it's an Atheist forum. Since this is a Christian forum, this gives me the liberty to tell the truth about the Atheist.

Well, let's hear some truth, then. The only thing I've ever seen you post is along the lines of 'The Atheist does/believes X' where X is something that I don't do or believe.

 

[Holy Roller]

Oh, and I noticed that you edited out my question to you, hoping that I would not notice.

Can I have your shirt please? I'm very cold. Can I please borrow some money from you? I'm a little short on rent this month and it would be really helpful.

I know you'll do the right thing.

Gentlemen, if your righteousness will not exceed the righteousness of the Atheist's, you will not in any manner inherit the Kingdom of Heaven.

 

[Holy Roller]

Well, let's hear some truth, then.

Please read post #55 for the truth.

 

[Rasta]

Again, we're getting around to the dangers of non-believers relying on their own minds to interpret scripture. You don't see this as important, because you're not a believer. There's no amount of typing I can do to convince you of the importance of having the guidance and the wisdom of the Holy Spirit when reading scripture. For this reason, I am forever in this brain-deadening dialogue with you, where I'll have to be repetitive and redundant.
Don't take this as rudeness; take it as a matter of spiritual fact.

Now about Luke 6:27. I inserted >>> [your enemy] because that's exactly what Yeshua was talikeng about. He was talking about your enemy. But since you do not have the Holy Spirit within you, you posted this: "Also why did you insert enemy into that verse? Does Jesus approve of you changing his words when you are justifying your immoral behavior?"


Again, it has nothing to do with knowledge. THere are tons of people at richarddawkins wh can recite the Bible like Arabs can recite the Koran. But at the end of the day, the Bible is nothing but words, because they do not know the Holy Spirit, thus the Holy Spirit was not around to help them interpret the scripture they just read.



If your righteousness does not exceed the righteousness of the Atheist, you will by no means enter into the Kingdom of Heaven.





Again, if a person's righteousness does not exceed the righteousness of the Atheist's, he will by no means enter into the Kingdom of Heaven.

Nice tapdance. Were you intentionally not answering my questions?

Or was this an accident?

Please answer the following questions that you did not answer, if you are able.

Why do Jesus' words not apply to atheists?

Where does Jesus say that it does not apply to atheist or even pharisies?

Since it is clear that you are not god, how do you know what is in an atheist's heart?

Again, I will be the bigger person and let you slap my other cheek as well.

 

[Eudaimonist]

Indeed, we now know (Atheists on this forum, Christians, Moderators and agnostics) why I'm exposing the Atheists on this forum for the frauds they are: they are not my enemies; in reading their posts here and at richarddawkins, they hide an evil intent.

I don't post at richarddawkins, and I agree that you are not my enemy. I never thought that you were. My intent is actually to enlighten you a bit about atheists so that we may be better friends and neighbors. The world is too small for needless enmity.

That is my intent. Consider it evil if you like.


eudaimonia,

Mark

 

[Celticflower]

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Can I have your shirt please? I'm very cold. Can I please borrow some money from you? I'm a little short on rent this month and it would be really helpful.

I know you'll do the right thing.

I know you didn't ask it of me, and I can't spare my shirt, but I do have a blanket you can have. It will keep you warmer than a shirt.

Can't help with the money at the moment - funds are tight for me too. But I'll keep you in mind if I hit the lottery.

 

[Rasta]

Gentlemen, if your righteousness will not exceed the righteousness of the Atheist's, you will not in any manner inherit the Kingdom of Heaven.

Why do you not acknowledge my questions? Is it hard for you to follow the commands of your savior?

Or do you chose when you feel like following Jesus?