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Why are so many Christians against annihilation in hell when scripture supports it?

Discussion in 'Controversial Christian Theology' started by DM25, Jul 11, 2018.

  1. Saint Steven

    Saint Steven You can call me Steve Supporter

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    Here is something Jesus said about the subject.

    Luke 16:27-29
    “He answered, ‘Then I beg you, father, send Lazarus to my family, 28 for I have five brothers. Let him warn them, so that they will not also come to this place of torment.’ 29 “Abraham replied, ‘They have Moses and the Prophets; let them listen to them.’
     
  2. Pneuma3

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    and your point being?
     
  3. Saint Steven

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    That didn't really answer my question. Here it is again in case you want to give it another shot.

    In an effort to diminish "eternal" punishment, you are also diminishing "eternal" life. Because the exact same NT Greek word is used to describe both.

    Matthew 25:46
    “Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life.”
     
  4. Saint Steven

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    Where do you draw the line?
    If endless torment in hell is unthinkable, why not apply the same idea to momentary torment?

    We have earthly rules (Geneva Convention) against human torture of any kind. We categorize these acts as war crimes. Ten minutes of earthly torture would qualify, would it not?

    Is not hell the creation of God? Created for Satan and his angels. The unbelieving/disbelieving humans will join them. But only temporarily according to you.
     
  5. Solomon Smith

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    I did address it.

    I said that those who are cleansed are the believers.
     
  6. Solomon Smith

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    Addressed but not adequately answered.
     
  7. Sam81

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    You crucified the Son of God.
     
  8. Solomon Smith

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    The ECF certainly did testify of an eternal hell.
     
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  9. Solomon Smith

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    2000 Years of Church History testifies that there is an eternal hell.
     
  10. Solomon Smith

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    Universalism is a heresy.
     
  11. Solomon Smith

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    This thread is lunacy.
     
  12. Solomon Smith

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    The Church has agreed for 2000 years that there is eternal punishment.
     
  13. Sam81

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    Those who hear the Word of God and reject it are Christ murderers. And not content to murder Christ, they seek to inject their venom into the little ones. Soul murdering antichrists!
     
  14. Solomon Smith

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    2 Thessalonians 1:5-10
    5 Which is a manifest token of the righteous judgment of God, that ye may be counted worthy of the kingdom of God, for which ye also suffer:

    6 Seeing it is a righteous thing with God to recompense tribulation to them that trouble you;

    7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,

    8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:

    9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;


    10 When he shall come to be glorified in his saints, and to be admired in all them that believe (because our testimony among you was believed) in that day.
     
  15. Pneuma3

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    It did answer your question if you actually read it.
     
  16. Pneuma3

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    When one is dying on the cross one goes through a "hell" of a lot of torment as the old man is being destroyed.

    You simply have a pagan view of hell.
     
  17. Solomon Smith

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    Ten Foundational Verses for Eternal Punishment in Hell
    OCTOBER 4, 2011 | Justin Taylor



    In his contribution to the book in Two Views of Hell, Robert Peterson sets forth ten passages that as part of the “overwhelming evidence” to support the historical interpretation of hell as everlasting punishment. I agree with Peterson’s citation of Augustine, “who cautions us against following the example of those who, ‘while not slighting the authority of the sacred Scriptures, . . . nevertheless interpret them wrongly and suppose that what is to happen will not be what the Scriptures speak of, but what they themselves would like to happen” (City of God 21.27). I find myself facing the same temptation, so it is helpful to keep God’s Word front and center when constructing our theology.

    1. Undying Worm and Unquenchable Fire (OT)

    Isaiah 66:22-24

    For as the new heavens and the new earth
    that I make
    shall remain before me, says the LORD,
    so shall your offspring and your name remain.
    From new moon to new moon,
    and from Sabbath to Sabbath,
    all flesh shall come to worship before me,
    declares the LORD.

    And they shall go out and look on the dead bodies of the men who have rebelled against me. For their worm shall not die, their fire shall not be quenched, and they shall be an abhorrence to all flesh.

    2. Everlasting Life/Everlasting Contempt

    Daniel 12:1-2

    At that time shall arise Michael, the great prince who has charge of your people. And there shall be a time of trouble, such as never has been since there was a nation till that time. But at that time your people shall be delivered, everyone whose name shall be found written in the book. And many of those who sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.

    3. Eternal Fire/The Fire of Hell

    Matthew 18:6-9

    Whoever receives one such child in my name receives me, but whoever causes one of these little ones who believe in me to sin, it would be better for him to have a great millstone fastened around his neck and to be drowned in the depth of the sea. Woe to the world for temptations to sin! For it is necessary that temptations come, but woe to the one by whom the temptation comes! And if your hand or your foot causes you to sin, cut it off and throw it away. It is better for you to enter life crippled or lame than with two hands or two feet to be thrown into the eternal fire. And if your eye causes you to sin, tear it out and throw it away. It is better for you to enter life with one eye than with two eyes to be thrown into the hell of fire.

    4. Eternal Punishment/Eternal Life

    Matthew 25:31-46

    When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, then he will sit on his glorious throne. Before him will be gathered all the nations, and he will separate people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. And he will place the sheep on his right, but the goats on the left. Then the King will say to those on his right, “Come, you who are blessed by my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world.” . . . Then he will say to those on his left, “Depart from me, you cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. . . . And these will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.”

    5. Undying Worm and Unquenchable Fire (NT)

    Mark 9:42-48

    Whoever causes one of these little ones who believe in me to sin, it would be better for him if a great millstone were hung around his neck and he were thrown into the sea. And if your hand causes you to sin, cut it off. It is better for you to enter life crippled than with two hands to go to hell, to the unquenchable fire. And if your foot causes you to sin, cut it off. It is better for you to enter life lame than with two feet to be thrown into hell. And if your eye causes you to sin, tear it out. It is better for you to enter the kingdom of God with one eye than with two eyes to be thrown into hell, “where their worm does not die and the fire is not quenched.”

    6. Everlasting Destruction

    2 Thessalonians 1:5-10

    This is evidence of the righteous judgment of God, that you may be considered worthy of the kingdom of God, for which you are also suffering—since indeed God considers it just to repay with affliction those who afflict you, and to grant relief to you who are afflicted as well as to us, when the Lord Jesus is revealed from heaven with his mighty angels in flaming fire, inflicting vengeance on those who do not know God and on those who do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus. They will suffer the punishment of eternal destruction, away from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of his might, when he comes on that day to be glorified in his saints, and to be marveled at among all who have believed, because our testimony to you was believed.

    7. The Punishment of Eternal Fire

    Jude 7

    Just as Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding cities, which likewise indulged in sexual immorality and pursued unnatural desire, serve as an example by undergoing a punishment of eternal fire.

    8. Blackest Darkness Reserved Forever

    Jude 13

    [These people are] wild waves of the sea, casting up the foam of their own shame; wandering stars, for whom the gloom of utter darkness has been reserved forever.

    9. The Smoke of Their Torment Rises for Ever and Ever

    Revelation 14:9-11

    If anyone worships the beast and its image and receives a mark on his forehead or on his hand, he also will drink the wine of God’s wrath, poured full strength into the cup of his anger, and he will be tormented with fire and sulfur in the presence of the holy angels and in the presence of the Lamb. And the smoke of their torment goes up forever and ever, and they have no rest, day or night, these worshipers of the beast and its image, and whoever receives the mark of its name.

    10. The Lake of Fire

    Revelation 20:10, 14-15

    And the devil who had deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and sulfur where the beast and the false prophet were, and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever. . . . Then Death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. This is the second death, the lake of fire. And if anyone’s name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.
     
  18. Pneuma3

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    The Antichrist goes along telling everyone that God loves them, sent Jesus to die for them, and as God cannot fail to do what he set out to do they will all be saved.

    You have it backwards my young friend, the Antichrist is against all that Jesus came to do.
    What did Jesus come to do?
    The salvation of the world.

    Thus when you speak out against the salvation of the world you are speaking out against Christ and his mission, thus it is YOU who are antichrist not us.
     
  19. YeshuaFan

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    Jesus taught everlasting Hell, so would trust in His view!
     
  20. Solomon Smith

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    The whole world will not be saved. Salvation is only for those who believe.
     
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