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Why are highly educated and trained professionals refusing to vaccinate?

Discussion in 'American Politics' started by hislegacy, Oct 12, 2021.

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  1. renniks

    renniks Well-Known Member

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    Cat poop smeared inside the mask, gives total protection against the virus! Yep some people would do it.
     
  2. mala

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    the fact that you're making up these sorts of scenarios in your head when people close to your mindset are taking horse medication and drinking clorox makes it funnier.
     
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  3. Belk

    Belk Senior Member Supporter

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    Kind of to late at that point. While delta is not resistant the vaccine is less effective.
     
  4. renniks

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    I don't know about Clorox but ivermectin is approved for human use in some countries. Yes some people go overboard with it.
     
  5. probinson

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    I have no idea why people refer to Ivermectin as "horse medication". Ivermectin is an anti-parasitic with approved uses in humans.

    Based on the current very low- to low-certainty evidence, we are uncertain about the efficacy and safety of ivermectin used to treat or prevent COVID-19. The completed studies are small and few are considered high quality. Several studies are underway that may produce clearer answers in review updates. Overall, the reliable evidence available does not support the use ivermectin for treatment or prevention of COVID-19 outside of well-designed randomized trials.

    Ivermectin for preventing and treating COVID-19 - PubMed

    As the above study shows, evidence does not currently support the use of Ivermectin as a treatment for COVID-19, but it's incredibly misleading to call it "horse medication".
     
  6. pacomascarot

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    If scientists change their suggestions it is because science learns.

    Maybe you should take some science classes!
     
  7. ThatRobGuy

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    it was less effective in terms of transmission, but pretty effective against hospitalization and death...which was the original goal of the vaccines.

    If we're waiting for vaccines that mean that "nobody will get the sniffles or a low grade fever ever again", we'll be waiting a long time. If the we're looking for a vaccine that will turn what could be a life-threatening virus into "a mild encounter", then we already have that...we just need to convince people to to take it.
     
  8. probinson

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    Sure. You posted studies showing efficacy of masking.

    I posted studies showing otherwise.

    Perhaps the question of whether masks reduce the spread of the virus isn't quite as settled as we've been led to believe.
     
  9. probinson

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    That's the way it should be. That's not the way it has been throughout this pandemic.
     
  10. mala

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    in your opinion which is highly questionable at this point.
     
  11. probinson

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    Anecdote alert.

    The day after Labor Day, I came down with a fever. Then I developed a cough and general weakness. This persisted on and off for about 10 days before I began to recover. During that time, I drank lots of water, ate lots of chicken noodle soup, and took much Tylenol. I had a confirmed COVID test the Monday after I became symptomatic.

    Last week, a fully vaccinated woman at our church tested positive for COVID. Her symptoms? About the same as mine. Duration of symptoms? About 10 days, about the same as mine. Same age as me, give or take 8 years.

    Lest you think my case of COVID is atypical and I just got lucky, the CDC reports a total of 20,860 deaths in my age group since the start of the pandemic. That's with roughly 5,015,543 confirmed cases of COVID in my age group in the US since the beginning of the pandemic, or roughly 0.4%. That means that from the CDC's own data, 99.6% of people in my age group who have contracted COVID have also recovered.

    As I mentioned in an earlier post, risk profiles are not the same across the board. Most (and when I say most, I mean 99.5% or more) young, healthy adults will be perfectly fine if they contract COVID. That's not downplaying the disease. It's what the data shows.

    We should focus vaccination efforts where they will be most beneficial and will reduce the most severe outcomes. Again, vaccine mandates for employers completely miss the mark. When you look at deaths and severe outcomes from COVID, they are many orders of magnitude higher for the elderly than they are for younger people. Yet the employer vaccine mandate will do NOTHING to encourage those people that are at most risk to get vaccinated.
     
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  12. probinson

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    My opinion is highly questionable in your opinion, which is highly questionable in my opinion.

    Duly noted.

    If you think THE SCIENCE™ hasn't been hijacked by opportunistic politicians, you simply aren't paying attention. IMO.
     
  13. pacomascarot

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    I wish I knew why someone who is a Christian has SO MUCH TROUBLE doing something simple that is helpful to others.

    I understand you have selective cherry picked your favorite studies but given that you probably aren't a medical health professional I'm not going to assume you know the first foreign thing about any of this sufficient to prefer to take the LESSER ACTION.

    Guess you prefer the wider, easier path. No extra work for you. Sure you might be wrong but who cares about all those other people IF YOU ARE?

    LOL.

    Hope you don't have to justify this action to God some day. He might ask why wearing a little piece of cloth was too much to ask after He gave his only begotten son on your behalf, to suffer and die on the cross. But you couldn't be bothered to wear a mask.
     
  14. Sparagmos

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    97% of doctors are vaccinated. So you should prob just remove them from your OP, you’re spreading misinformation.

    Pilots aren’t "highly educated." And having spent a lot of time around them when I worked at a hotel, I’m not surprised they’re less vaccinated.

    How much money they make is relevant how? Do you really want to use that metric?
     
  15. KCfromNC

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    Still no actual explanation for the vague wording in the letter, huh?

    Relevance?

    I get you don't understand my objection. That's fine. If you find this sort of vague anecdotal data more useful than actual research on the subject, I can't stop you. Just trying to explain why many others won't really pay much attention to it.
     
  16. KCfromNC

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    I think the real objection is that they work - people on the fence about vaccinations, or who just didn't get around it to it, will be motivated to act. That'll make the one people left unvaccinated the fringe true believers, which is good from a public health perspective plus it will make it less of a big deal for other businesses to refuse to serve the unvaccinated. Bad for those left on the outside because of their choices, though.
     
  17. KCfromNC

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    That's false - Vaccine Basics | Smallpox | CDC
    Historically, the vaccine has been effective in preventing smallpox infection in 95% of those vaccinated.

    Also not true - Here’s how the most- and least-vaccinated states fared against the Delta variant

    You can't possibly know that.

    Just like the unvaccinated. The big difference being that the vaccinated are less likely to get infected in the first place.
     
  18. KCfromNC

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    Yes, restaurant worker washing their hands after using the restroom is benefical to the individuals who wash their hands. It may either prevent them from getting or spreading disease. Or it may lessen the symptoms and prevent severity. That certainly is a GOOD reason in my opinion to wash their hands after using the restroom before returning to the kitchen. But it SHOULD be someone's choice. Not mandated by government. Because not everyone gets really ill, ends up in ICU or dies from it.
     
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