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Who Reigns On Earth In The Millenial Kingdom?

Discussion in 'Eschatology - Endtimes & Prophecy Forum' started by Minister Monardo, Jul 29, 2020.

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  1. Fullness of the Gentiles

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    This is so true. It baffles the mind. "He doesn't mean it that way". "He never taught us to pray "Thy Kingdom Come" for any valid reason. He never meant His Kingdom is still coming in a literal way when He told Pilate that of present time His Kingdom is not of this world. The Revelation does not mean the kingdoms of this world will become the kingdoms of our Lord and of His Christ when the 7th trumpet sounds. Apparently the seventh trumpet has already sounded?
     
  2. Dave L

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    “But if I with the finger of God cast out devils, no doubt the kingdom of God is come upon you.” Luke 11:20 (NCPB)
     
  3. BABerean2

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    Rev 16:15 Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.
    Rev 16:16 And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon.


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  4. BABerean2

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    It also says Satan is bound with a chain, even though we know demonic spirits cannot be bound with a literal chain in Mark 5.

    Mar 5:1 And they came over unto the other side of the sea, into the country of the Gadarenes.
    Mar 5:2 And when he was come out of the ship, immediately there met him out of the tombs a man with an unclean spirit,
    Mar 5:3 Who had his dwelling among the tombs; and no man could bind him, no, not with chains:
    Mar 5:4 Because that he had been often bound with fetters and chains, and the chains had been plucked asunder by him, and the fetters broken in pieces: neither could any man tame him.

    Therefore, we know the chapter is full of symbolic language, which you ignore.

    We also know the time of the judgment of the dead is in Revelation 11:18, and also at the end of chapter 20, which you also ignore.

    Ignorance is "bliss", when it comes to the Premill doctrine.

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  5. Fullness of the Gentiles

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    If the Son of God was with us in the flesh casting devils out of people, right now, you would not argue that the Kingdom of God is come upon you.

    Except that He isn't with us in the flesh casting devils out of people, right now. He went away, and told us He will send the Holy Spirit in His stead, and one day He Himself will return. And before He went away, He told Pilate that His Kingdom is not of this world of this present time. Later the author of Hebrews told us that we do not yet see all things under Christ's feet, but we do see Christ crucified: "who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honor; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man."

    Strange how all things have been placed under His feet, but we do not yet see it because His Kingdom is not now (of this present time) of this world. (Actually it's not strange, it's what Jesus and His apostles taught). The seventh trumpet will sound and then we will see all things placed under His feet. Then we will see the kingdoms of this world becoming the Kingdoms of our LORD and of His Christ, and He will reign forever and ever from then onward - for a thousand years while Satan is bound, and after that. Forever and ever.

    Of present time the Kingdom is within you. When He returns it will be within you and all around you. If you believe everything Jesus said you will not change scripture to suit a pre-decided theory.
     
  6. BABerean2

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    Why are you ignoring verse 18 below, which contains the time of the judgment of the dead, and proves the book is not in chronological order?


    Rev 11:15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.
    Rev 11:16 And the four and twenty elders, which sat before God on their seats, fell upon their faces, and worshipped God,
    Rev 11:17 Saying, We give thee thanks, O Lord God Almighty, which art, and wast, and art to come; because thou hast taken to thee thy great power, and hast reigned.
    Rev 11:18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.


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  7. Dave L

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    He says the kingdom is within believers. But, only the born again can see it. Are you born again?
     
  8. Fullness of the Gentiles

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    What does Jesus in His Revelation tell us is going to happen to those who worshiped the beast and his image when the seventh trumpet sounds?

    If you can first tell me why you ignore the fact that the GWT judgment only comes 1,000 years after the beast and false prophet were destroyed in the lake of fire, and why Satan is only cast into the lake of fire 1,000 years later than the beast and false prophet, then I can answer you.

    Also, if you can first tell me if Satan is bound right now, and if so, was Peter actually referring to Darth Vader when he warned Christians to be careful because Darth Vader prowls around like a roaring lion seeking whom he may devour?

    Was Paul referring to Darth Vader as the prince of the power of the air who now (of present time) works in the sons of disobedience?

    Maybe it would be easier for you if I simply tell you why it's wise to read and believe all scripture rather than isolating one part, and bending it to mean something it does not, or interpreting it "in the light of" a pre-decided false theory.
     
  9. Fullness of the Gentiles

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    You have no right to ask me that question in this forum, because its tantamount to asking me if I'm a Christian, or accusing me of not being a Christian, which breaks the forum rules.

    Take your question to the Lord who is my Savior.

    Or stop being a snake with your line of questioning.
     
  10. Dave L

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    Anyone born again loves to talk about it.
     
  11. Fullness of the Gentiles

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    Snakes love to accuse the brethren
     
  12. Dave L

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    Who is accusing anyone here? I just asked you a question you seem to hedge on answering.
     
  13. Fullness of the Gentiles

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    Because in the context of the fact that we disagree on a certain aspect of scripture, you have no right to ask it. Not in this context.

    You're being a snake.
     
  14. Fullness of the Gentiles

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    Because in the context of the fact that we disagree on a certain aspect of scripture, you have no right to ask it. Not in this context.

    You're being a snake.

    I will not ask you the same question, because in this context, it's not a question - it's an accusation. I won't lower myself to your standard to ask you the same question, neither do I want you to reply. I hope you are born again, anyway. I do not need to question your salvation. I have no need to.
     
  15. Dave L

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    Calling people names is against the rules. But I won't make an issue out of it.
     
  16. Dave L

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    I think I'll take a break from our conversation until tensions subside. OK?
     
  17. Fullness of the Gentiles

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    I said you are being a snake. Do you think that your motives for asking that question will automatically be seen as good and pure? Or don't you care?
     
  18. Fullness of the Gentiles

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    It's pointless anyway. We won't agree because you're convinced the millennium of Revelation 20 is happening now and I'm convinced it is not. You have scriptural proof that it's happening now and I have scriptural proof that it's not.

    But I'm not questioning your salvation, and I wouldn't have the audacity to veil such questioning of your salvation with the question "Are you born again"?
     
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    Young's Literal Translation
    John 18:36 Jesus answered, 'My kingdom is not of this world; if my kingdom were of this world, my officers had struggled that I might not be delivered up to Jews; but now my kingdom is not from hence.'

    New International Version
    Jesus said, "My kingdom is not of this world. If it were, my servants would fight to prevent my arrest by the Jewish leaders. But now my kingdom is from another place."

    New Living Translation
    Jesus answered, “My Kingdom is not an earthly kingdom. If it were, my followers would fight to keep me from being handed over to the Jewish leaders. But my Kingdom is not of this world.”

    English Standard Version
    Jesus answered, “My kingdom is not of this world. If my kingdom were of this world, my servants would have been fighting, that I might not be delivered over to the Jews. But my kingdom is not from the world.”
     
  20. BABerean2

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    Sure. Several visions of the Second Coming are found in the Book of Revelation.


    The Second Coming of Christ is found at the end of Revelation 6, with signs in the sun, moon, and stars, as are found in the Olivet Discourse, with the same "kings", "captains", "mighty men", free, and "bond", as are found in Revelation 19.

    It is found at the end of chapter 11, with the 7th trumpet, and the time of the judgment of the dead.

    It is found in the "harvest" of chapter 14, which is related to the parable of the wheat and tares from Matthew 13.

    It is found when He comes as a thief, at Armageddon in chapter 16, and we also find the largest earthquake in the history of the world.

    It is found when He returns on a horse in chapter 19.

    It is found when the fire comes, and we have the time of the judgment of the dead at the end of chapter 20.


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