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Who Reigns On Earth In The Millenial Kingdom?

Discussion in 'Eschatology - Endtimes & Prophecy Forum' started by Minister Monardo, Jul 29, 2020.

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  1. sovereigngrace

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    It is a figurative term.

    Moses employs `a thousand' in Deuteronomy 7:9 saying, "Know therefore that the LORD thy God, he is God, the faithful God, which keepeth covenant and mercy with them that love him and keep his commandments to a thousand generations."

    Is this a literal or figurative thousand?

    1 Chronicles 16:13-17 also states, "O ye seed of Israel his servant, ye children of Jacob, his chosen ones. He is the LORD our God; his judgments are in all the earth. Be ye mindful always of his covenant; the word which he commanded to a thousand generations; Even of the covenant which he made with Abraham, and of his oath unto Isaac; And hath confirmed the same to Jacob for a law, and to Israel for an everlasting covenant."

    Is this a literal or figurative thousand?

    A thousand and ten thousand are used together in Psalm 91, saying, "Thou shalt not be afraid for the terror by night; nor for the arrow that flieth by day; Nor for the pestilence that walketh in darkness; nor for the destruction that wasteth at noonday. A thousand shall fall at thy side, and ten thousand at thy right hand; but it shall not come nigh thee" (vv 5-7).

    Is this a literal or figurative thousand?

    A similar contrast between these two numbers or ideas is seen in Deuteronomy 32:30, where a rhetorical question is asked, "How should one chase a thousand, and two put ten thousand to flight, except their Rock had sold them, and the Lord had shut them up?"

    Is this a literal or figurative thousand?

    Joshua affirms, on the same vein, in chapter 23, "One man of you shall chase a thousand: for the LORD your God, he it is that fighteth for you, as he hath promised you" (v 10).

    Is this a literal or figurative thousand?

    Isaiah the prophet similarly declares in Isaiah 30:17, "one thousand shall flee at the rebuke of one."

    This incidentally is the only passage in Scripture that makes mention of the actual number "one thousand," albeit, the term is used to impress a spiritual truth.

    Is this a literal or figurative thousand?

    Psalm 84:9-10 says, "Behold, O God our shield, and look upon the face of thine anointed. For a day in thy courts is better than a thousand. I had rather be a doorkeeper in the house of my God, than to dwell in the tents of wickedness."

    Is this a literal or figurative thousand?

    The figure a thousand is also employed in Psalm 50:10-11 saying, "For every beast of the forest is mine, and the cattle upon a thousand hills. I know all the fowls of the mountains: and the wild beasts of the field are mine."

    Is this a literal or figurative thousand?

    Ecclesiastes 7:27-28 succinctly says, "one man among a thousand have I found."

    Is this a literal or figurative thousand?

    In the same vein, Job 33:23 declares, "If there be a messenger with him, an interpreter, one among a thousand, to shew unto man his uprightness."

    Is this a literal or figurative thousand?

    The distinct contrast between one and a thousand is again found in Job 9:2-3, where Job declares, "I know it is so of a truth: but how should man be just with God? If he will contend with him, he cannot answer him one of a thousand."

    Is this a literal or figurative thousand?

    The same idea is intended in Isaiah 60:21-22, where the prophet instructs, in relation to the New Earth, "Thy people also shall be all righteous: they shall inherit the land for ever, the branch of my planting, the work of my hands, that I may be glorified. A little one shall become a thousand, and a small one a strong nation: I the Lord will hasten it in his time."

    Is this a literal or figurative thousand?

    Amos 5:1-4 says, "The virgin of Israel is fallen; she shall no more rise: she is forsaken upon her land; there is none to raise her up. For thus saith the Lord GOD; The city that went out by a thousand shall leave an hundred, and that which went forth by an hundred shall leave ten, to the house of Israel."

    Is this a literal or figurative thousand?
     
  2. sovereigngrace

    sovereigngrace Well-Known Member

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    Your battle is with the Word of God. You have no answer to the Amil position. All i see is wild speculation, repeated misrepresentations and continued avoidance in your posts.

    It is time for you to present some hard corroboration for your private interpretation of Revelation 20.
     
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  3. shilohsfoal

    shilohsfoal Jacks or better to open

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    You believe 24 hours is a day to the Lord do you?
    Perhaps you just don't understand what a day is to the Lord.

    Hosea 6:2 KJV: After two days will he revive us: in the third day he will raise us up, and we shall live in his sight.
    Hosea 6:3 KJV: Then shall we know, if we follow on to know the LORD: his going forth is prepared as the morning; and he shall come unto us as the rain, as the latter and former rain unto the earth.

    He will pull his sheep out of a Pitt on the sabath.
    Since you believe that resurrection is already past, your not able to understand it.
    Think of his assembly as his body.
    He will raise his body on the third day. That's his goal.

    You believe he is thinking only of himself. He is not.
    Luke 13:32 But Jesus replied, "Go tell that fox, 'Look, I will keep driving out demons and healing people today and tomorrow, and on the third day I will reach My goal.'

    He is thinking of his sheep.

    Matthew 12:11 He replied, "If one of you has a sheep and it falls into a pit on the Sabbath, will he not take hold of it and lift it out?
     
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  4. BABerean2

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    Once again, you tell me I believe something that I do not.
    You are an expert at creating false narratives.

    The resurrection of the dead at the return of Christ occurs at His future Second Coming.

    You must have me mixed up with someone else.

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  5. sovereigngrace

    sovereigngrace Well-Known Member

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    He does that because he cannot refute what Amils really believe.
     
  6. shilohsfoal

    shilohsfoal Jacks or better to open

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    I know what you believe about the first resurrection because you have told me what you believe about it.


    Revelation 20:4 Then I saw the thrones, and those seated on them had been given authority to judge. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for their testimony of Jesus and for the word of God, and those who had not worshiped the beast or its image, and had not received its mark on their foreheads or hands. And they came to life and reigned with Christ for a thousand years.


    Hosea 6:2 KJV: After two days will he revive us: in the third day he will raise us up, and we shall live in his sight.
    Hosea 6:3 KJV: Then shall we know, if we follow on to know the LORD: his going forth is prepared as the morning; and he shall come unto us as the rain, as the latter and former rain unto the earth.

    You've already told me you believe this resurrection took place on the first day. You are wrong.
    It's been 2000 years. It is close.

    But you don't know what a day is to the Lord so you wouldn't understand.
     
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  7. sovereigngrace

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    Do you reject the fact that Jesus is "the first resurrection" (Acts 26:23 and Revelation 20:6), "the firstborn from the dead" (Colossians 1:18), "the firstfruits of them that slept" (1 Corinthians 15:20), "first begotten of the dead" (Revelation 1:5)?
     
  8. BABerean2

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    What I actually said is that the reference to the "first resurrection" in Revelation chapter 20 is a reference to those who have come to faith in Christ, as in John 5:24. The text of that verse says a person passes from death to life, which is a spiritual resurrection of the dead.

    It is not the first bodily resurrection from the dead.

    Christ was bodily resurrected from the dead.
    The two witnesses are bodily resurrected from the dead in Revelation 11. (You seem to be ignoring this one.)
    The time of the judgment of the dead is found in Revelation 11:18, and you cannot have a judgment of the dead without a bodily resurrection of the dead.

    If you are claiming the first bodily resurrection of the dead happens in Revelation 20, you are ignoring all of the above to make your doctrine work.

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  9. shilohsfoal

    shilohsfoal Jacks or better to open

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    I haven't ignored the two witnesses being resurrected. They will weep what they have sown.

    That still takes place in the first resurrection.

    Hosea 6:2 KJV: After two days will he revive us: in the third day he will raise us up, and we shall live in his sight.
    Hosea 6:3 KJV: Then shall we know, if we follow on to know the LORD: his going forth is prepared as the morning; and he shall come unto us as the rain, as the latter and former rain unto the earth.
     
  10. shilohsfoal

    shilohsfoal Jacks or better to open

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    I don't need to ignore anything.
    It's all works when you include it all.

    Exodus 20:11 For in six days the LORD made the heavens and the earth and the sea and all that is in them, but on the seventh day He rested. Therefore the LORD blessed the Sabbath day and set it apart as holy.

    Blessed and holy are they who take part in the first resurrection.
    Revelation 20:5 The rest of the dead did not come back to life until the thousand years were complete. This is the first resurrection.

    Do you agree that the rest of the dead do not come back to life till the 1000 years is complete?

    You just can't except the fact that some keep the Lord's sabbath and there are others who do not.
    You believe Jesus should not pull his sheep out of a pit on the Sabbath.You claim that everyone will be raised after the sabbath.
     
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  11. Timtofly

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    Sure, you can post a thousand times and still not interpret Revelation correctly.
     
  12. BABerean2

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    If you are claiming the "first resurrection" in Revelation 20 is a bodily resurrection, you are ignoring Revelation 11:11.

    You have clearly been shown before the Book of Revelation is not in chronological order, which is proven by the time of the judgment of the dead in Revelation 11:18.
    How are you going to have a judgment of the dead, without a resurrection of the dead?


    The truth about the Sabbath is found below.

    Col 2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
    Col 2:17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.

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  13. sovereigngrace

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    Exactly, you even use an every-day figurative term there. It is your Premil bias that forces you to miss the symbolic nature of the term/period.
     
  14. shilohsfoal

    shilohsfoal Jacks or better to open

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    I have not ignored the resurrection of the two witnesses.

    Do you agree the rest of the dead live not again till the 1000 years are complete?

    Revelation 20:5 The rest of the dead did not come back to life until the thousand years were complete. This is the first resurrection.

    Do you agree with revelation?
     
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  15. Timtofly

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    My bias is towards God. All those biased by the great falling away, can only explain Revelation 20 away. You even have a thread with 17 reasons why God should have left Revelation 20 out of the Bible. You cannot interpret it. You have to actually claim God made a mistake. Since my bias is in favor of God, I accept Revelation 20 as written, and there is no contradiction with any of the rest of God's Word, one iota.
     
  16. shilohsfoal

    shilohsfoal Jacks or better to open

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    Do you agree with Scripture that the rest of the dead live not again till the 1000 years is completed?

    Revelation 20:5 The rest of the dead did not come back to life until the thousand years were complete. This is the first resurrection.
     
  17. BABerean2

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    Why are you ignoring the rest of the passage?

    Where are "souls" found in the Book of Revelation?

    Where are the "thrones" located in the Book of Revelation?

    Rev 20:1 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.
    Rev 20:2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
    Rev 20:3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.
    Rev 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
    Rev 20:5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
    Rev 20:6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

    What is the "second" death?

    We know the two witnesses were bodily resurrected from the dead in Revelation 11:11. Right?
    When were the two witnesses bodily resurrected?
    Were the two witnesses resurrected during the "first resurrection"?

    Who's on first ?


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  18. mlepfitjw

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    Sola scriptura is broken way. Context gets all The Who, what, when, where, why, and how.
     
  19. Marilyn C

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    There is a lot more going on in the restoration of all things than just the earth.

    `And the heavens are not pure in His sight.` (Job 15: 15)

    `For He must reign TILL He has put all enemies under His feet.` (1 Cor. 15: 25)

     
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    By whose measurements, God`s or man`s?
     
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