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Featured Who is your favorite Pope

Discussion in 'Christian History' started by David Cabrera, Jun 21, 2019.

  1. David Cabrera

    David Cabrera Well-Known Member

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    Let's be friendly!

    Either talking about the Pope of Rome or the Pope of Alexandria, which is your favorite?

    I really like Pope Gregory the Great from Rome and Pope Theodore II of Alexandria.

    What about you guys?
     
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  2. archer75

    archer75 Well-Known Member Supporter

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    Recently, Pope John XXIII.

    First millenium AD, Pope St Callixtus I.

    Alexandria: I'll have to think...
     
  3. Athanasius377

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    Gregory the Great.
     
  4. David Cabrera

    David Cabrera Well-Known Member

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    What do you like about Pope John XXIII?
     
  5. David Cabrera

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    Do a lot of Protestants like Gregory the Great? I read Calvin thought he was the last good Pope.
     
  6. Athanasius377

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    He’s quoted a lot by Protestant divines Lutheran at least. I’m not sure about other church bodies. I for one have read a lot of his writings. Solid Orthodox teaching for the most part.
     
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  7. Stranger36147

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    Hmmm....Peter maybe?


    Nah, I kid.
     
  8. David Cabrera

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    Peter is a good option.
     
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  9. archer75

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    Tried to save refugees when he was nuncio during the war. Tried to settle things with the ROC. Tried to improve the RCC but died in process. Sounds like a good guy.
     
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  10. Sketcher

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    The Apostle Peter.
     
  11. Augustus_33AD

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    Pope St Pius X.
     
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  12. TuxAme

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    Tough. Saint Peter left some pretty big shoes to fill. I think Pope St. John Paul II was the greatest Pope of recent history.
     
  13. dzheremi

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    Ancient: HH St. Athanasius the Apostolic, HH St. Cyril I, HH St. Abraham (Abraam Ibn Zaraa, 10th century; one of the ethnically Syrian Popes of the Coptic Orthodox Church). HH St. Abraham was Pope when the miracle of the moving of Mt. Mokattam by St. Simon the Tanner happened, following three days of fasting together. We have kept those three days ever since that time, in remembrance of this miracle.

    Modern: HH St. Cyril IV (r. 1854-1861), the so-called "Father of Reform" due to the huge impact he had on education in the Church, greatly raising the standards and bringing the first printing press ever into Egypt, which was received with the ceremony usually observed for the reception of relics. Unfortunately it was also during this time that the Coptic pronunciation reform began, under Arian Moftah (teacher of Coptic language at the Patriarchal church at the time), which as a linguist I can't really be too thrilled about for various reasons, but it was with at least a good aim in mind (proposed reunion with the Greeks in Egypt, which obviously never happened, apparently due to the meddling of the Ottoman viceroy). Obviously HH St. Cyril VI (r. 1959-1971), who is recent enough that I know people who met him. They all say that his epithet "Man of Prayer" was well-deserved, and there are many stories from his life which are told and retold that emphasize his humility and the indwelling of God in him. I believe them.

    HH Pope Shenouda III and of course the current pope I think it is too early to say anything on. I will of course always have a bit of a soft spot of HH Pope Shenouda III, since I was received into the Church under him, but I am also not blind to some of his missteps in his writings (e.g., the whole dust up with Abouna Matta el Miskeen over Theosis, which showed that HH either didn't understand it or properly, or couldn't articulate his objections to it properly; I've read a lot on this, and I think a case could be made for either) and some of the problems the rapid expansion of the Church during his papacy have caused (e.g., the abundance of 'general bishops', a phenomenon which does not predate his predecessor, and hence can hardly be called 'traditional'), though how much of that should be laid at his own feet is above my pay grade to say. I pray that we return to our roots as a conciliar Church, as was the promise of HH Pope Tawadros II in one of his first speeches after his elevation. (Read: A lot of the problems 'created by HH Pope Shenouda III' have more to do with his extremely long tenure and how much the Church grew and changed during this time, and various political struggles faced in Egypt throughout his long reign, all of which somewhat changed the people's way of looking at the Pope into something that was closer to the modern RCC model than our traditional, less personally Papally-focused ecclesiology; Samuel Tadros writes about this at some length in his book Motherland Lost: The Egyptian and Coptic Quest for Modernity, if anyone is interested. It is indeed a modern phenomenon, and one that I know many people are working to turn us away from.)

    From among the Latins/Romans, I have to say of course HH St. Hippolytus, whose writings I find myself consulting fairly regularly, and also HH St. Felix, and St. Clement (all of these are commemorated in our syanaxarium, along with several others).
     
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  14. Tutorman

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    Pope Benedict 16
     
  15. Gracia Singh

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    I am a huge fan of Pope John Paul II.

    :clap::crosseo:
     
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  16. Gracia Singh

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    This is an awesome idea, David, thank you!
     
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  17. chevyontheriver

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    From the little bit known about him, I think I would have liked pope John Paul I. But he died in 33 days.

    His successor, John Paul II, has been a mentor of mine, though at a distance. I agree to call him John Paul the Great.

    His right hand man I liked very much as a cardinal. Liked him as pope Benedict too. I wish he were still pope.

    I liked Leo XIII, who prayed for the outpouring of the Holy Spirit and may have actually started something.

    Adrian VI, who struggled valiantly as a reform pope against huge odds and he failed. But he tried.

    Peter, naturally, who was chosen for the role despite his earlier personal failings and weaknesses.
     
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  18. Davidnic

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    Pope Leo XIII
     
  19. David Cabrera

    David Cabrera Well-Known Member

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    What do you like about him?
     
  20. David Cabrera

    David Cabrera Well-Known Member

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    He is really popular
     
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