Who is the man of sin, the son of perdition?

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Doug the Antichrist is revealed at dan 9:27 and not in the temple....


You have to twist this to fit..... We know the AC when he signs the agreement

 

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Daniel 9:27 has not happened


Tell me what of Daniel 9:24 has been finnished?

1. End of sin? - NO
2. Has God reconciled with Israel? - NO
3. Do we have everlasting righteousness yet? - NO

so the 70 weeks are NOT finnished until that last week of Dan 9:27....

 

[Douggg]

The man of sin is Satan....


1. Daniel 9:27 tells us the Antichrist will sign a 7 year covenant - thus we will know who he is....(revealed)

2. 2thess 2:3 says he is revealed here when He sits in the temple as God.

What reveals to be the man of sins is when he sits in the temple of God, showing that he is God. But that does not happen until the middle part of the 7 years.

When the Antichrist, as the prince who shall come, confirms the covenant to begin the 7 years - there will be the two witnesses testifying that he is a false messiah and warning the Jews that he will betray them. But to the world the two witnesses will be discounted as mental cases. Until it happens.

 

[TillICollapse]

Here is what I wrote... "The Antichrist will come out of Europe, being of the people who destroyed the temple and city, the Romans. The False Prophet appears to be someone born and living in Israel. There is a good chance that he will claim to be elijah."

There is no 7 year peace treaty in Daniel 9. The 7 year peace treaty idea is a ingrained common notion, because the notable prophecy commentators were all unaware of the 7 years cycle in Deuteronomy 31:10-11 as confirming the mt sinai covenant, every 7 years. The experts were theorizing based on Daniel 8 that the Antichrist will destroy many by peace, therefore the covenant in Daniel 9, they theorize is a peace treaty.

Revelation 13 is the Antichrist in the last stage of his career, as the Antichrist-beast. In that stage, the Jews will no longer think of him as their King Messiah.

But earlier, in the prince who shall come stage, he will be embraced by the Jews as their messiah. The end times prophecies cannot be understood apart from an understanding of the Jews, Judaism, and what they are looking for.

The Antichrist will be heavily into the occult early on. And will get drawn in even further. That he is "revealed" to be the man of sin in 2thessalonians2, means that his involvement in the occult will be secret until that time.


I don't know if him claiming that will happen or not. Interesting thought though. The Antichrist beast is certainly going to spin it that he is God and that Jesus is not.

In your opinion, could the antichrist be a pope ? Or perhaps a "Christian" leader of some kind ? Perhaps a RCC leader ? The false prophet could be a Jewish individual who embraces the Roman Christian leader, etc, pointing to them as the responsible party for re-establishing the Mount to the Jews ... I mean, if a Roman Christian or RCC individual becomes instrumental in helping to give back the Temple Mount to the Jews, etc ... it wouldn't necessarily be directly stated by the Jews that the RCC is their "Messiah" ... it could be inferred indirectly by the titles everyone holds and what they think of themselves as they embrace each other's goals.

I am somewhat thinking out loud ... if the idea is completely fallacious go ahead and say so lol

Which brings me to another question ... in your interpretations of scripture, where does Constantine fit in ? And where does the RCC, and the other denominations branching off it, etc ... fit in ?

 

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Dougggg NO where does it say the Jews will believe the AC is their messiah


What part of the AC blasphemy of the God of heaven do you not understand?

You think when the AC curses the Jews God in heaven they will believe he is the messiah?


Come on that makes no sense

 

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Could the AC be the pope..... Well i wanted..... To believe he was the false prophet

But the AC is from Rome - one thing the FP does is make the people take the mark or die and we know the popes have done that before....


I am positive the great harlot is the RCC...

She has all the pagan ways of every religion there is.... Mother of all harlots
how is she the Mother? Why her offspring - the reformed churches

who started them? And where was it he came from?

So the rcc gave birth to all the churches...

 

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Look right now this pope is pushing muslims are your brothers to the Catholics and they mostly accept it as true (it is not) and the vatican.va site says all people can obtain universal salvation without Jesus.... So there you have the religions of the world being gathered by the rcc... And that peace is coming


And it's that fake Dan 9:27 peace that he is getting them ready for

 

[Douggg]

Doug the Antichrist is revealed at dan 9:27 and not in the temple....

You have to twist this to fit..... We know the AC when he signs the agreement

It is not that Christians, should the rapture of the Church has not taken place before then, won't know that the person is the Antichrist - but the world won't believe it, because he will be seen as the powerful leader of Europe, who rallied his armies to come to the aid of Israel, when Gog/Magog attacks.

And that God will have supernaturally destroys Gog/Magog, in the eyes of the Jews, will verify to them that he is the messiah, great King of Israel, promised to lead them into the age of peace and harmony.

The Jews many of them believe their messiah appears after Gog/Magog. Their belief based on the teachings of Maimonides is that the messiah will fight the the battles of God in defending Israel.

In Daniel 8, the little horn will wax strong to the south and east, toward the promise land. That is because he will be heading down there to occupy Israel and stave of the Gog/Magog invasion. To maintain the peace and stave off war.


In Daniel 8, in the explanation of the vision, it says in the latter times of the transgressors kingdom (singular) a king of fierce countenance with "stand up". Stand up is a catch phrase for what animals do as they prepare to fight, they stand up on their hind legs and charge each other.

The transgressors are the ten kings of the EU. The latter times of their kingdom, is the EU in its final forum. The little horn in Daniel 8 is the same little horn in Daniel 7, who will come out among those 10 kings of the end times fourth empire. Fourth empires is in the text. The other three empires are confirmed in the body of the Antichrist's kingdom, in Revelation 13:1-2. There are not 7 body parts, because it is not 7 kingdoms in Revelation 17, but 7 kings. The little horn will be the 7th Julio-Claudian leader of the Roman Empire.

 

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Look at Constantine.... Who rode on the backs of bloodshed to be the state religion... The rcc ofcourse and they will ride the back (come to power because of) the Antichrist and devil....

They say they also tried to ride the Nazi back until they saw it falling... I suppose this is why at the Vatican in the library achives that only a few people have access to has the portion that deals with the 1930-40's locked away in a seprately section

 

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Well last time I say this... Does not matter what or when the world knows he is the anichrist doug..... Revelation is to the believer and the believer will know when the 7 yr agreement is signed... Atleast this believer will know...

 

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The ten kings are NOT the EU.... Go see the club of Rome and their ten kingdoms....

The ten kings are from 10 kingdoms NOT one... The EU is one kingdom

nafta - Mexico us and canada are another one.... These are the kings who are from Daniel 2:43 as we see they reign until Christ comes at 2:44...

 

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Dougggg NO where does it say the Jews will believe the AC is their messiah

Jesus told Nicodemus, that him Jesus coming in his Fathers name they reject, but another coming in his own name, they would receive.

The Jews will not be aware that the Antichrist is the Antichrist. Antichrist is not a concept Judaism believes in. You can go to any Jewish site and they will tell you so. They will embrace the Antichrist on the basis that they are looking for the messiah, as they believe the messiah in their understanding of what the messiah is to be.

What part of the AC blasphemy of the God of heaven do you not understand?

Take the fingers out of you ears and start listening. The Antichrist in Revelation 13 is in the final stage of his career - passed the stage of the Jews thought to be messiah.

You think when the AC curses the Jews God in heaven they will believe he is the messiah?

You are not listening, nor reading what I wrote. The Antichrist has four stages to his career. When he reaches the Antichrist-beast stage in Revelation 13, the Jews will no longer believe that he is their King-Messiah. They will reject him, and be persecuted for it by the Antichrist-beast until Jesus returns to rescue them.

 

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So the question is.... How do we get to the ten kings?

Well from I believe 196 world leaders to 10 will come when the worlds markets collapses...

The dirivitives market (stocks bonds paper etc) is valued at a est 1.2 Quadrillion
and will be world wide and then people will accept 10 leaders... Anything to get the world going.....

 

[Douggg]

The ten kings are NOT the EU.... Go see the club of Rome and their ten kingdoms....

The ten kings are from 10 kingdoms NOT one... The EU is one kingdom

nafta - Mexico us and canada are another one.... These are the kings who are from Daniel 2:43 as we see they reign until Christ comes at 2:44...

Yes the EU is one kingdom, just like you wrote. It says their kingdom singular in Daniel 8:23.

23 And in the latter time of their kingdom, when the transgressors are come to the full, a king of fierce countenance, and understanding dark sentences, shall stand up.

The ten kings are not in place yet (not come to the full), but it must happen soon. There is a big push in Europe to bring the EU to the end form of being like a United States of Europe, with a federal government being sovereign over all the member states. And having an elected leader, equivalent to the President of the United States. imo, that first elected leader will be the Antichrist little horn.

 

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Doug.... It does not matter what the Jews believe about a antichrist....


If he is calling the Jews god is heaven all sorts of names how is it that you then think they will say "cool this must be the son of god listen how he cusses his dad?


See your going against common sense and it should show you that you not on the right track

 

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It says their kingdom singular in Daniel 8:23.

23 And in the latter time of their kingdom, when the transgressors are come to the full, a king of fierce countenance, and understanding dark sentences, shall stand up.

The ten kings are not in place yet (not come to the full), but it must happen soon.

The ten kings of ten KINGDOMS giv their alleagence to the AC and his ONE KINGDOM....


No more doug

 

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Doug.... It does not matter what the Jews believe about a antichrist....


If he is calling the Jews god is heaven all sorts of names how is it that you then think they will say "cool this must be the son of god listen how he cusses his dad?


See your going against common sense and it should show you that you not on the right track

You have no comprehension it appears of progression of events. It is not until the last 42 months of his career that he blasphemes the God of Heaven.

Before then, earlier in his career, he does not. His religion will outwardly at least be Judaism. He won't be saying anything negative about God in the early stages of the 7 years.

 

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The ten kings of ten KINGDOMS giv their alleagence to the AC and his ONE KINGDOM....


No more doug

Their kingdom is one kingdom. Here is what it says...

17 For God hath put in their hearts to fulfil his will, and to agree, and give their kingdom unto the beast, until the words of God shall be fulfilled.

 

[Douggg]

Could the AC be the pope..... Well i wanted..... To believe he was the false prophet

No the Antichrist is not the Pope. The Antichrist beast will be worshiped by the world as God. Not even Catholics worship the Pope. And the Antichrist beast will convince the nations of the world to assemble their armies to try to stop Jesus from returning - that is something the Pope would not do.

But the AC is from Rome - one thing the FP does is make the people take the mark or die and we know the popes have done that before....

Not necessarily from Rome, but be of Roman blood line.

I am positive the great harlot is the RCC...

She has all the pagan ways of every religion there is.... Mother of all harlots
how is she the Mother? Why her offspring - the reformed churches

who started them? And where was it he came from?

So the rcc gave birth to all the churches...

Practically speaking the RCC and the Vatican, but the RCC is not responsible for all them slain upon the earth and the prophets. The woman is probably Semiramus, going back to the tower of babel days, where all false religions go back to.

 

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I have heard contradicting information about Semiramus
what do you think is valid about this myth?
sorry to get off topic