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Discussion in 'Eschatology - Endtimes & Prophecy Forum' started by The Times, Oct 10, 2017.

  1. Michael Collum

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    Sometimes the "ouch" speaks and that's all we can hear.
     
  2. toLiJC

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    godly are only people who love their neighbors/townsmen/cohabitants (with all their hearts and minds) and work for their full salvation in the true Lord God at least by having only good things for them (in their hearts and minds), while the world is full of all kinds of religions that don't save even one person properly, religions of non-salvation and destruction for many, which don't even want there to be overall salvation in the true One with all their hearts and minds, let alone work for it - and precisely that their "mark" is the one that is the "mark" of the "beast"

    yes, the force/inclination coming from the world of human/beastly(666) spirituality/religiosity is exactly such a vanity as your description here also represents

    the religious worshipers and spiritual servants who commit (great) spiritual unrighteousness/lawlessness/wickedness, as well as the irreligious and non-occult people that cause their neighbors/cohabitants evil/harm to the last, are the ones that are falling, and the greatest punishment is for the first mentioned in this sentence

    in principle it is easier to know how not to cause physical harm than to know how not to cause harm in a spiritual/religious way, because the physical things are quite visible, while the spiritual things are quite invisible to humans - how can a person that is totally irreligious and non-occult know that there is invisible spiritual wickedness if they don't even know there are spiritual things such as God, devil, spirits, etc.?! - for that reason the true God has never given a commandment such as "every person without exception must necessarily become and be a religious worshiper or even a spiritual servant", because He knows that many people would commit spiritual unrighteousness/lawlessness/wickedness, for not everyone would be good enough as a religious worshiper/spiritual servant, which is why His first commandment to man was "you should not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil" which means man should not become/be too spiritual

    none of the Holy Commandments of God says that any person must necessarily become/be religious, but they say that if any person wants to be religious, then he or she must not have any god, lord(christ) or spirit but only the true One, and in general that they must at least not commit spiritual unrighteousness/lawlessness/wickedness at all, because in the beginning God, Who is the system Administrator and Provider of life, created the man as the user of life, and He told them the universal and perfect truth that there can be no true God but One, and that it will be better for everyone if man doesn't try to be a system administrator of life like God Himself (Genesis 2:16-17), so in the beginning man didn't need to have a religion (such as the ones that have existed for the last centuries) and (to) be religious (in the way many people have been religious for the last centuries), but satan was the one that misled the first human beings (eve and adam) as well as many others that being only an user of life and not its system administrator is (only) a punishment for man and that they would/will gain a lot more from becoming and being system administrators of life like God Himself; so there was no need for religious worship (such as the hitherto prevailing religious worships since the day of the Fall), because man was in perfect harmony with the true God, and actually the only thing that disturbs and prevents humans from having that harmony is spiritual unrighteousness/lawlessness/wickedness on the human part...

    yes, if sin is redefined as something holy/sinless, and as a result people walk the path of sin, then they don't overcome sin, and sin is, first of all, spiritual unrighteousness/lawlessness/wickedness, which is the cause (and even the source) of all other iniquities and evils...

    same to you

    Blessings
     
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  3. imsaneru

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    No an atheist is more likely to say , what satellite did you use to pull that trick , athiests are not stupid people , it's only religious people who live in the twilight zone.
    The fire from the sky is a SIGN it says , and it's usage is for DECEPTION. So it can only deceive the people who are looking for that SIGN , so that leaves only two groups of people on the planet. For the Christians it will mean "THE BAD GUY IS HERE" , but for the religious jews it will mean Elijah is here and is pointing the way to their Messiah.
     
  4. The Times

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    Interesting how you associated the coming of Elijah, with the coming of the false Christ.
     
  5. Another Lazarus

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    Gabriel has actually revealed where the antichrist will come from.

    Daniel 9:26 and the people of the prince who is to come will destroy the city and the sanctuary........
    27"And HE will make a firm covenant with the many for one week, but in the middle of the week he will put a stop to sacrifice and grain offering; and on the wing of abominations will come one who makes desolate, even until a complete destruction...

    The people of the prince who destroy... = the Roman, so the Prince to come (in the end times) shall be of the Roman origin.

    and HE = the prince (antichrist) will make a 7 year peace deal between Israel-Arab, which is actually to split the nation as two state "solution".


    May jesus bless you all HalleluYAH
     
  6. imsaneru

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    No I was associating the coming of a FALSE Elijah with the coming of a false Messiah/Christ.
     
  7. The Times

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    Ok, so what do you make of? when Jesus said......

    43“Therefore I tell you that the kingdom of God will be taken away from you and given to a people who will produce its fruit. 44Anyone who falls on this stone will be broken to pieces; anyone on whom it falls will be crushed.”

    45When the chief priests and the Pharisees heard Jesus’ parables, they knew he was talking about them. 46They looked for a way to arrest him, but they were afraid of the crowd because the people held that he was a prophet.

    If the kingdom went to the Gentiles and has been for the last almost 2000 years, do you think it might have some Christian context to it?
     
  8. The Times

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    You make an excellent point, that the US uses a lot from the Roman senate and this is depicted by the Roman Axe symbol shown on both members of the senate, the democrats and the republicans.

    Here is the symbol.....the place is also called Capitol Hill, just like the Romans called theirs Capitoline Hill. The Vatican Roma is also on Capitol Hill.

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    The US is the mirror image of Roman Empire, that is, the beast that was and was not and yet is again as the second beast who gives life to the image of the 1st beast, which also has a two horn pillars to it, which is the Christ like or lamb like pillar, which is the Roman Religion on Capitoline Hill. I have noticed all US presidents wearing black when in front of the pope and they pay homage to him.

    Is this the revamped global Roman Empire, which is the image sculpted straight from the original Roman Empire, the 1st beast?
    If so, then it must be the two horned beast, because of its geopolitical and georelgious horns. After all after WW2, the leaders signed the Treaty of Rome to broker a deal, for the surrender of the world to the beast, after it rained down fire of war upon the inhabitants of the world.
     
  9. The Times

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    Oh, OK.
     
  10. The Times

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    So, it is a piece meal concession with the world by those who receive the mark, to not bother to preach Christ, but under the guise of the tolerance agenda to embrace other religions as part of the one world religion.

    Good, got it!

    So, that they perpetrate unrighteousness because of their deluded minds, got it!

    That is because with knowledge innocence is lost and spiritual wickedness increases as the heart waxes cold. Everything then becomes clinical, like the global society we have now.

    In the 20th century they said in their hearts we have killed God and in the 21st century they are openly declaring we are like God, that is system administrators of our own destiny.

    The Strong Delusion must then be the embraced world view that is the final poison administered to the condemned. So the 21st century is turning out to be the death of humanity and may even manifest physically by judgements from above.
     
  11. toLiJC

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    you are reasoning very right

    Blessings
     
  12. imsaneru

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    The first Christians were the apostles and they were all Jews , HELLO!!...what planet are we on , or what colour is the sky in your world?
     
  13. The Times

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    Yes, the first Church eas predominantly Jewish. But Jesus also told John to write to the 7 churches in Asia minor. Rev 7 also mentions peoples from every nation and every language.

    Please, explain how the fire relates to the Jewish Church and not also the Gentile Churh. I am not getting what exactly you are getting at, please do spell it out for me. Thanks
     
  14. imsaneru

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    I have already stated my case but you don't seem to listen. Need to pull those fingers out of your ears.
     
  15. The Times

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    Sorry, I am a bit slow in grasping what you are trying to convey, I am not a mind reader, so please forgive me.

    I understand that a false messiah must be accompanied by a false elijah. Ok check.
    So a physical sign from Heaven is what encompasses the deception, because Jesus said no sign will be given. I understand it must therefore be a physical sign that will be the mother of all deceptions and a trap for those who embrace it, when it is shown to all of humanity. Ok check.

    So, after the sign, HE the deceiver cons them into embracing the image of the beast, what ever the image and the beast may be. So is this deceiver the false elijah or the false messiah? I understand now, they who are the Jews of the Torah or Talmud are the recepients of the sign from heaven and are those to whom the deception awaits. Is this right?

    So that the religious Jews who have a black cube on their head and who also strap their right hand with a black leather lace, will incorporate the name of the beast and/or his number as their pledge of allegiance to him.

    Yes, I understand now, that is why the Muslims consider the Kaaba (cube) in Mecca as the bayt Allāh, the "House of God", and has a similar role to the Tabernacle and Holy of Holies in Judaism.

    This seems to line up proportionally with the temple measurements of Ezekiel's as well, that is with that of the inner temple, the Holy of Holies. The word Kaaba also is an abbreviation of the the word Kabbalah, meaning the exact thing, that is the Kabb of Alah (God's cube/temple/house).

    Yes, that is right. It is a miracle that tries to counterfeit God's miracle and this Kaaba or cube that is used by the Jews and the Muslims is a counterfeit Holy of Holies temple as well, which is paying homage to the god of this world aka Satan. If Jesus said God's temple is no longer in the world, but in the believer, then any physical temple, physical fire, physical sign, physical image and mark must be counterfeits. Because at Pentecost the fire of the Holy Ghost descended to built the spiritual temple of God in the believers and so in contrast the final deception, we see the unholy trinity of Lucifer manifesting in the physical realm to deceive both the Jews and the Muslims.

    Christians do not follow signs like the Jews, because we already have the Holy Ghost residing in the Holy temple of the body, therefore sign seeking is a prelude to the deception, because everyone is looking into the world for it to manifest. I sadly see many Christians resorting to star signs and 23 September 2017 signs of Revelation 12 and this is all a prelude to the deception to suck people to look to the things of this world as a sign and wonderment, that is to go after, much like the Fatima signs and wonders. The devil gives the world what they want when it is the right time to trip them all up.

    Yes, yes, I now understand.

    Yes, yes, you are right....again, that is people looking for a naturalistic sign or naturalistic explanation, which Jesus said.....an evil and wicked generations looks for a worldly sign.

    Yes, I understand now. It is only a deception for those who look for a worldly sign to wonder after. Jesus said no other sign will be given, except the sign of Jonah, which you stated previously as follows.....

    So when we preach that Christ was crucified, the Jews are offended and the Gentiles say it’s all nonsense.

    Yes, that is right, that is any heavenly sign manifesting, is a prelude to the entrance of "THE BAD GUY IS HERE", yet for the jew it will mean the FALSE Elijah is here amongst their ranks, who will shake the hand of the impostor who claims to be God on earth. Both the false messiah and false elijah will usher in a false Utopian millennium rule from Jerusalem, Israel.

    Understand fully now.

    I understand your frustration, so once again please forgive me.
     
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  16. Dave Watchman

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    How are you doing TT ? I remember that you have a way with the Word. Like if I make an invention, I have the right to apply for a patent to that invention. If God created a man after the image of God, God has the right to say that a man will join with his wife and they will become one flesh. The idea of "human rights" is manifest insanity in the sense that the created can vote their governments into re-writing the Creator's Holy intention for His creation. This is the composite beast in action now, rising from many peoples and nations and languages and opening its mouth to utter blasphemies against God, blaspheming his name and his dwelling place.

    The Tesla idea sounds good, it sounds fun. But I don't think that's what it is. I'm sorry to say. It would be more fun if that's what it is, because what I think it is, is much more scary. And what I think it is will cause the environment to become much more dirty than the petro dollar ever could in thousands of years.

    And I think that we're here. I think that it's ready to let loose at any minute. It could be within 60 to 70 days, or before I finish writing this note. I don't know but I think that it's happening. The 144,000 are probably being sealed in this delay that we're in and it's going to start before the end of the year.

    The United States is not the second beast, I'm sorry. The United States is the "earth" from where the second beast rises from. The second beast is the same beast that rises from the bottomless pit at the fifth trumpet and goes on to make war with and kill the two witnesses. The second beast is Lucifer the dragon, our end time Antichrist. The dragon gives the first beast, the composite beast, his power, his throne and his great authority. He uses the composite beast as his mechanism, his proxy, to influence the world into filling up it's cup of iniquity until we've reached the point to where we are now.

    He will CAUSE the fire to fall from Heaven, he will MAKE the fire rain from Heaven. He's the trigger, he is the instigator. But he's not the power behind the fire, the fire comes from Heaven, from the mouths of the two witnesses who stand before the Lord of the earth. The Bible and the Holy Spirit said that the penalty for sin is death and that sin is the transgression of the law, and there followed hail and fire, mixed with blood, and these were thrown upon the earth. And a third of the earth was burned up. And if anyone would harm them, fire pours from their mouth and consumes their foes. If anyone would harm them, this is how he is doomed to be killed. But the Antichrist will remain safe during his 42 months.

    Because of the signs it was given power to perform on behalf of the first beast, it deceived the inhabitants of the earth. Lucifer is the cause of the fire that falls from Heaven, the great mountain burning with fire that was thrown into the sea, the great star Wormwood that fell from heaven and the reason why a third of the sun was struck, and a third of the moon, and a third of the stars, so that a third of their light might be darkened, and a third of the day might be kept from shining, and likewise a third of the night. All these signs are from God, but Lucifer is the cause. Over many a long year Lucifer has steered humanity though a course and into a state of lawlessness and now the rebels have become completely wicked.

    When the first four trumpets fall, the world will know that the God of the Bible is back. Even in a jurisdiction where there are few Christians, they will know that the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob has revealed Himself and that He is not happy with our degenerate behavior. They will know that the Lord has spoken in his zeal. Because these judgements fall across the whole world, the whole world will be involved in the appeasement process. The world's survivors will all collaborate together and attempt to set up a global agency for the purpose of appeasing God so that these judgements will stop. They'll think that if they don't do something, God is going to kill them all.

    At the fifth trumpet, Lucifer and his angels will be enabled to appear in our physical realm. He will confirm that these signs ARE from God. And because of these signs that he was given power to cause using the composite beast as his proxy, Lucifer will deceive the inhabitants of the earth. Lucifer will claim to be God and order them to set up an image in honor of the beast who was wounded by the sword and yet lived. This will be the likeness, the spitting image, of the original governmental religious authority to the one wounded by the sword in the middle ages that persecuted the first group of saints during the Foxe Book days. He will deceive the inhabitants of the earth by claiming the responsibility for the first four trumpets, and use those signs as one of his coercion techniques for forcing the "mark" on people..

    I'm a student of Larry Wilson. One of the few areas where I'm uncertain of my agreement with him is where the second beast causes the fire to fall from heaven in the presence of men. But I would strongly recommend this video that describes the fallout from the fire that will fall from the sky.

    Peaceful Sabbath.





    What does it mean to be a spitting image?

    Spitting image is the usual modern form of the idiom meaning exact likeness, duplicate, or counterpart. The original phrase was spit and image, inspired by the Biblical God's use of spit and mud to create Adam in his image. But spitting image has been far more common than spit and image for over a century.​
     
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  17. Dave Watchman

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    Quite a fascinating and humorous interaction. Even after the second shot of "fingers in the ears", The Times successfully resists the adversary's advances.

    "Let your reasonableness be known to everyone.
    The Lord is at hand.
     
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  18. Dave Watchman

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    That is hilarious imsaneru. I can't believe you would bring this up. You crack me up. I'm still laughing, I can't think of what to say. It's like, we're talking about the end of the world, and you're worried about this??? HELLO??? Testing Testing 1 2 3.

    Who is Hand Maid to judge?

    Do you not know that you will judge the world?

    And if you are to judge the world, are you not competent to judge trivial cases?

    Do you not know that we will judge angels?

    So lets take a quick look at some preliminary qualifications.

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    Handmaid for Jesus has +20,296 "likes" and 203,244.00 "blessings". She's got almost double the likes than she has posts.

    She probably gets more likes in her sleep than we get all day long.

    I bet that would make her a pretty good judge of character.

    Here's wishing you a belated welcome to the forum imsaneru.

    I'm sure that you are a man greatly loved.

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  19. The Times

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    Good, thanks be to Jesus and how are you friend?

    He will think to change the times and the laws of God by an upside down and inside out sodomic society.

    Yes, indeed!

    I originally thought that because world leaders are striving for free and clean energy to save the environment and yet they are ready to make concession at all costs, just to get a viable economy back up and running again, after the collapse of the pertro dollar.

    I feel it too.

    This is a complicated topic on its own. I have been led to believe that 144,000 are Old Testament saints, but I could be corrected though.

    The revamped United States will be the platform for the second beast. But United States may not be the 1st beast.

    Yes, I agree on this very strongly now.

    I tend to think that a beast is a governance and the seventh and eighth king of the beast is actually Lucifer. But then again I could be wrong.

    Interesting that he is only the trigger and not the direct cause.

    Yes, that could be the role of the end day church as the symbol of the two witnesses. I tend to look at the number two as a ministry and not specifically two in number. But I could be wrong again.

    Yes.

    Yes.

    Yes, this is where I think that Lucifer comes in pomp and ceremony to decieve the world and it is his coming that astounds the world into believing him to be their creator. He may not even claim to be deity but an engineer of humanity for which he gains even the Atheists trust.

    Maybe possible.

    Maybe be possible also.

    I have seen this video before and I find it compelling in several areas and in preparation for things to come. It is a good one friend.

    Yes, I always saw this image as a sort of reeningeering of man from that of the original, who was formed in the Image of God to that of a superficial part iron and part clay, meaning part man and part machine, an android for the new Luciferean Utopia.
     
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  20. nonaeroterraqueous

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    It's funny, and a little off-topic, but Armorica is a name that sounds so much like America that it's uncanny. Armorica was a province of the Roman Empire that went autonomous for a while after Rome fell. It existed in the area of Normandy. Its name meant "of the sea." It strikes me a little funny when people suggest that America is the Beast from the Earth, when the name sounds so much to me more like a beast from the sea.

    It's all trivial, though. I'm not making that as a serious claim.
     
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