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Featured Futurist Only Who is the beast that rains down fire?

Discussion in 'Eschatology - Endtimes & Prophecy Forum' started by The Times, Oct 10, 2017.

  1. Another Lazarus

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    their power come from the devil, not from Tesla.
    Rev 13:4 And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast.
     
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  2. Michael Collum

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    Since the beasts are nations according to the Archangel in the book of Daniel, and the unique beast is made of metal, it's probably a chimera concept of a modern military. The fire raining down from heavens is most likely just bombs and artillery pieces.
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    The dragon powering the beast relates to the use of petroleum which comes from the bones of dinosaurs.
     
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  3. The Times

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    Their power they recieved from the devil is real and tangible is it not?
     
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  4. The Times

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    I don't get the last bit. How does dragon relate to petroleum?
    How does petroleum cone crom the bobes of dinosaurs?
     
  5. The Times

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    Is the fire a physical flame or a flash of lightening from the sky?

    To rain down fire, seems to be something originating from the sky.

    The fire decieves in what way?
     
  6. Michael Collum

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    Dragons are what dinosaurs were called before latin existed.

    Natural gas, gasoline, and other such fuels are classified as a type of fuel known as fossil fuels. Though things like biodiesel and electric cars are being developed, the gas used in common modes of transportation comes from the bones of dead dinosaurs or dragons.
     
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  7. Handmaid for Jesus

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    Yes, but where did Tesla get his knowledge from? The dragon has been since the Garden.He has been seducing mankind with occult knowledge since Eden.
     
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  8. nonaeroterraqueous

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    Electricity is just a means of transporting energy. The generating of energy is going to have to come from somewhere, and that's never free or usually clean. If you disagree with that, then don't expect to debate me on it, because my forehead has met that wall one too many times.

    I disagree both with the idea that it must be technology and that it must be lightning. Technology has been used to rain fire from the sky since the Second World War, but that, apparently, was not it. Maybe you're right, and lightning is the more correct understanding of the verse. Maybe you're right that it's technology, but I don't see that it's a must.

    I want to agree with you, but I fear that you'll reverse your position and start arguing with me again. At any rate, you make a good point with this one. The power does come from the Devil. Whether that power is technological or supernatural, it will be a mystery to those who see it.
     
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  9. Handmaid for Jesus

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    Possibly.:scratch: But I can see several different possibilities.
     
  10. Michael Collum

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    It's a symbol of the nature of that nation, since this nation uses machines instead of livestock to do its tasks ... it would also appear metallic in nature, much like our automobile, but perhaps like a humanoid robot with AI.
     
  11. Handmaid for Jesus

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    Aww, there now. I think we can have this discussion without arguing. Let all of us try to be civil with each other. I agree with you that the power comes from the Devil whether it is technological or supernatural. :)
     
  12. toLiJC

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    the "fire" is a power/force - for example, false prophets could bring their followers a lot of heavenly bliss through an occult process of the satanic kingdom (Revelation 12:4)

    Blessings
     
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  13. he-man

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    Revelation 19:19-21The government of this Earth and there Armies.
     
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  14. The Times

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    So, do you believe that the Dragon mentioned in Revelation of Jesus Christ as the definite article is NOT a specific spiritual entity called Satan, rather is an indefinite article relating to petroleum and dinosaurs?

    And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years, (Rev 20:2)
     
  15. The Times

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    Is it a fire in so much it will be used to deceive all the world in receiving a mark of authority that is NOT of God?

    If the term fire is metaphorical in usage, that is a diabolical plot to decieve the masses of the world, then how would the irreversible mark be realised, since people can repent after sinning, yet the action of taking the (definite article) mark is an unforgivable sin?

    Is the mark something literal and tangible to the temple, that is the body, that has an irreversable consequence?
     
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  16. The Times

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    You are correct, there is no creation of energy from thin air as the saying goes, for energy cannot be created nor destroyed is the governing law!
    But I hear of the term free and clean energy being used a lot, where the wind and the Sun seem to fit that criteria, yet is there other technologies out there that have the ability to harness the energy in our Ionosphere?

    I truly believe that our Ionosphere is a charged storage device like a battery, that is continually being charged by the sun rays, remembering that it is called Ionosphere for the word Ions and Ions are freely moving electrons, so that this forms the concept of how a battery works. The Ionopshere can be modelled like a battery, where the ground is one plate which is the anode and the negatively charge Ionosphere is the Cathode and the air inbetween is the dielectric or fluid, which allows the flow of ions, that is the negative to the positive. When this flow happens from the Ionosphere and the ground, which we know as lightening, then this is electricity. Can we use minimal energy to create lightening flash overs and to harness the energy at ground based collectors?

    I believe the leaders who are talking of an energy crises as the oil supplies of the world dwindle, is a sign that other technological means of energy are sought. After the atomic bomb was dropped we saw the advent of the atomic power generation age and yet we know these nuclear power plants can be very dirty and outright dangerous when they breakdown, like Chernoble and Fukushima.

    No I won't friend, have no fear, I'm here to learn like you. I simply made a starting idea as the OP of the thread and wanted people to brainstorm and to discuss ideas. I hope that at the end we reach a concensus of what that fire is and how it results in a talking beast and an irreversible mark on those who will be deceived in taking the irreversible mark.

    I agree it will be a mystery, until Offcourse it starts to become a reality.
     
  17. Handmaid for Jesus

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    :scratch: errm:scratch: Are you connecting the fire with the mark?
     
  18. GUANO

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    Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?

    And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men...

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  19. The Times

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    Let us recap what the versus say......

    11Then I saw a second beast, coming out of the earth. It had two horns like a lamb, but it spoke like a dragon. 12It exercised all the authority of the first beast on its behalf, and made the earth and its inhabitants worship the first beast, whose fatal wound had been healed. 13And it performed great signs, even causing fire to come down from heaven to the earth in full view of the people. 14Because of the signs it was given power to perform on behalf of the first beast, it deceived the inhabitants of the earth. It ordered them to set up an image in honor of the beast who was wounded by the sword and yet lived. 15The second beast was given power to give breath to the image of the first beast, so that the image could speak and cause all who refused to worship the image to be killed. 16It also forced all people, great and small, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on their right hands or on their foreheads, 17so that they could not buy or sell unless they had the mark, which is the name of the beast or the number of its name.


    Let us just look at those descriptors for just one moment....

    I saw a second beast
    Two horns like a lamb
    Spoke like a Dragon
    Authority of the 1st Beast
    Made all the inhabitants of Earth to worship the 1st Beast
    Causes fire to come down from Heaven
    Deceived all the inhabitants of the Earth
    Ordered to establish a Image for the 1st Beast
    Power to give life to the 1st Beast
    The Image could speak
    Killed those who refused to worship the Image
    Forced all people to receive the Mark.

    It would seem that the fire is a prelude to the establishment of the Image, resulting in a forced and irreversible marking of people.

    So the fire and the mark appears to be somehow connected, but what is the fire and how is it connected to the mark is a mystery to me.
     
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  20. The Times

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    The question that begs to be answered to unravel the mystery for me is what I said below....

     
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