Who is Patriarch Kirill of Moscow?

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Beginning on February 24, 2022 with the commencement of Putin's War in Ukraine there was increased attention to the Russian Orthodox Church and its Patriarch, Kirill. Putin has played up his personal adherence to the ROC and Kirill, in apparent reciprocation, has warmly endorsed Mr. Putin and his actions, equating them with the will of God. Pope Francis, in his turn, made the scathing analogy between Kirill and Putin's altar boy.

There are many questions that can, and have been, raised with this scenario, not the least being the actual relationship between the Orthodox Churches in Ukraine and the Russian Orthodox Church. There is a Ukrainian Orthodox Church which is independent of Moscow, but, it seems, many Orthodox Churches in Ukraine are still tied to Moscow. This is an aspect of great curiosity for myself and I would appreciate enlightenment on the authority of Kirill in Ukraine.

Another aspect is the apparent dissent within the Russian Orthodox Church in Russia with a few priests who are quite opposed to Putin's war. Are these men and their congregations at risk for potential reprisals from Kirill and/or Putin for spreading "fake" news?
 

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Beginning on February 24, 2022 with the commencement of Putin's War in Ukraine there was increased attention to the Russian Orthodox Church and its Patriarch, Kirill. Putin has played up his personal adherence to the ROC and Kirill, in apparent reciprocation, has warmly endorsed Mr. Putin and his actions, equating them with the will of God. Pope Francis, in his turn, made the scathing analogy between Kirill and Putin's altar boy.

There are many questions that can, and have been, raised with this scenario, not the least being the actual relationship between the Orthodox Churches in Ukraine and the Russian Orthodox Church. There is a Ukrainian Orthodox Church which is independent of Moscow, but, it seems, many Orthodox Churches in Ukraine are still tied to Moscow. This is an aspect of great curiosity for myself and I would appreciate enlightenment on the authority of Kirill in Ukraine.

Another aspect is the apparent dissent within the Russian Orthodox Church in Russia with a few priests who are quite opposed to Putin's war. Are these men and their congregations at risk for potential reprisals from Kirill and/or Putin for spreading "fake" news?
The ROC has always been a creature of the state. Under Communism, it stood by and watched as Christians were rounded up, imprisoned, tortured and sent to Siberian work camps. The darkest depths of hell are reserved for those who pretend to be Christians while being God's enemy. I would not like to be in Kirill's shoes on judgement day. The way we treat the brethren is the way we are treating Jesus Himself. (Acts 9:4) God does not take kindly to the abuse of His Son. Paul had an excuse, he was ignorant. Kirill has no such excuse.
 
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The ROC has always been a creature of the state. Under Communism, it stood by and watched as Christians were rounded up, imprisoned, tortured and sent to Siberian work camps. The darkest depths of hell are reserved for those who pretend to be Christians while being God's enemy. I would not like to be in Kirill's shoes on judgement day. The way we treat the brethren is the way we are treating Jesus Himself. (Acts 9:4) God does not take kindly to the abuse of His Son. Paul had an excuse, he was ignorant. Kirill has no such excuse.

That is certainly my observation. I am quite concerned about reprisals against dissident priests and their congregations.
 
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Under Communism, it stood by and watched as Christians were rounded up, imprisoned, tortured and sent to Siberian work camps
Given that thousands of those martyred under Communism in Russia, were priests, bishops and monks and nuns, you can hardly make the claim that the Russian Orthodox Church "stood by and watched"
 
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Given that thousands of those martyred under Communism in Russia, were priests, bishops and monks and nuns, you can hardly make the claim that the Russian Orthodox Church "stood by and watched"

There is a major difference between Putin and the Communists of Russia. As you noted, the Communists persistently persecuted the Russian Orthodox Church. That said, there was a puppet church during the entire Communist regime which exercised remarkable influence in venues such as the World Council of Churches. The problem with Mr. Putin is not that he is persecuting the Russian Orthodox Church, but has outwardly embraced it and appears to have made Patriarch Kirill into his "altar boy", to quote Pope Benedict. Any thoughts?
 
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There is a major difference between Putin and the Communists of Russia. As you noted, the Communists persistently persecuted the Russian Orthodox Church. That said, there was a puppet church during the entire Communist regime which exercised remarkable influence in venues such as the World Council of Churches. The problem with Mr. Putin is not that he is persecuting the Russian Orthodox Church, but has outwardly embraced it and appears to have made Patriarch Kirill into his "altar boy", to quote Pope Benedict. Any thoughts?
I presume you are familiar with the parable of the wheat and the tares?
 
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Given that thousands of those martyred under Communism in Russia, were priests, bishops and monks and nuns, you can hardly make the claim that the Russian Orthodox Church "stood by and watched"
I'm referring to the hierarchy, not the victims. Kirill and his ilk.
 
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The many bishops who were martyred were hierarchy.

Indeed. Also St. Tikhon of Moscow was the Patriarch, and he died under conditions of severe physical abuse and neglect in a Soviet prison in 1923 and is venerated as a confessor.
 
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One of the curious questions is whether or not Patriarch Kirill is merely Putin's puppet and, in fact, not the legitimate patriarch of the Russian Orthodox Church. If so, then where would find the legitimate Patriarch? During the Communist years (and actually in centuries preceding them as during the time of the Old Believers) the legitimacy of the Russian Patriarchate was rejected by many Russian Orthodox faithful, often at a fearful price.
 
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There are many questions that can, and have been, raised with this scenario, not the least being the actual relationship between the Orthodox Churches in Ukraine and the Russian Orthodox Church. There is a Ukrainian Orthodox Church which is independent of Moscow, but, it seems, many Orthodox Churches in Ukraine are still tied to Moscow. This is an aspect of great curiosity for myself and I would appreciate enlightenment on the authority of Kirill in Ukraine.

The canonical Ukrainian Orthodox Church, which was the largest faction, and probably still is, and the is also the only one recognized as legitimate by most other Orthodox churches, is an autonomous church under the omophorion of the Moscow Patriarchate. This means that the Holy Synod of the Moscow Patriarchate will select the successor to Metropolitan Onuphrius when he reposes, and the church receives its Chrism from Moscow, but otherwise is autonomous.

Then there is the Orthodox Church in Ukraine, which was organized in 2018 by the Ecumenical Patriarchate and was an attempt to unify the two breakaway groups including the Kiev Patriarchate, which no other canonical Orthodox Church is in communion with, under Metropolitan Epiphany, and is the second incursion they have made into canonical areas of the MP (this previously happened in Estonia, the result being there are two Estonian Orthodox Churches). However, the KP decided to leave the OCU after it was realized that it would strip the Patriarch of Kiev of his actual authority and effectively replace him with Metropolitan Epiphany.

The result of this is that there are three Orthodox Churches in Ukraine: the autonomous Ukrainian Orthodox Church, under Metropolitan Onuphrius, the independent Kiev Patriarch, and the autocephalous Orthodox Church in Ukraine, whose canonical status is recognized only by four of the fifteen other autocephalous churches: Constantinople, the Greek Orthodox Patriarchate of Alexandria, the Church of Greece, and the Church of Cyprus. The eleven other autocephalous churches, including the Greek Orthodox Patriarchate of Jerusalem, recognize the Ukrainian Orthodox Church as being the canonical church in Ukraine.
 
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One of the curious questions is whether or not Patriarch Kirill is merely Putin's puppet and, in fact, not the legitimate patriarch of the Russian Orthodox Church.

If he were Putin’s puppet he would have recognized the Abhkahzian Orthodox Church and the Orthodox Church of South Ossetia, but Patriarch Kyrill continues to recognize the Church of Georgia as the sole legitimate ecclesiastical authority in Abkhazia and South Ossetia, which is obviously contrary to the wishes of Moscow.

If so, then where would find the legitimate Patriarch? During the Communist years (and actually in centuries preceding them as during the time of the Old Believers) the legitimacy of the Russian Patriarchate was rejected by many Russian Orthodox faithful, often at a fearful price.

Forgive me, but you are somewhat misinformed. The Old Believer schism happened in the 1660s, and has largely healed: since the 1800s, the canonical Russian Orthodox Church has sought to reconcile with the Old Believers, and since the office of the Moscow Patriarch, which had been uncanonically usurped by Czar Peter after the repose of Patriarch Nikon, was restored in 1917, further progress has been made. There are two independent Old Believer hierarchies, one of which has a Patriarch and one of which I believe is led by a Metropolitan, but relations between them and the MP are improving. During the Soviet Union, the Soviet government focused on persecuting the Russian Orthodox Church itself, and as a result the Old Believer jurisdictions arguably enjoyed better conditions than during the 18th and 19th centuries, when they were subject to arrest and violent persecution, and also were not allowed to ring church bells. They survived, like many religious minorities, through success in business, which prompted Czar Peter to implement a “Beard Tax” in an attempt to suppress them

Now, during the history of the Soviet Union, almost all violent persecution of the Church occurred under Lenin and Stalin, with some violemt persecution under Kruschev, and mainly oppression under Brezhnev and the other successors. Now, the actual history is this: initially the MP was completely persecuted, and after St. Tikhon died in prison, there was no Patriarch appointed to replace him.

Instead, the Soviet union collaborated with a group of liberal bishops known as the Rennovationists, who sought to impose a radical reformation on the Russian Orthodox Church, by eliminating monastic bishops and replacing them with married bishops promoted from the priests, radically changing the liturgy, and promoting Soviet ideology. The Rennovationist Church was extremely unpopular, and with WWII approaching, Stalin realized he would need the support of the legitimate church to survive it. Thus he pledged to stop persecuting the Russian Orthodox Church in return for Metropolitan Sergius, who became Patriarch, pledging loyalty to the USSR, which he did. This peace lasted until the end of WWII, when violent persecution was resumed.

This was unacceptable however to the Russian Orthodox Church Abroad, or ROCOR, which broke communion with the MP and anyone in communion with them, and remained canonically isolated until 2007, when it reconciled with the Moscow Patriarchate. ROCOR is also associated with the “Catacomb Church”, which was a legitimate, underground component of the Russian Orthodox Church which did things in secret things which could not occur officially, for example, preaching, and catechizing children, and operating in certain places where the Soviets had closed all the churches.

The Moscow Patriarchate, in addition to the covert alliance of its clergy with the Catacomb Church, had an above the table relationship with Billy Graham, who was officially invited and given a blessing to preach in Russia, and he did this repeatedly, and this helped the church considerably, and thus Metropolitan Hilarion Alfeyev, who is in charge of ecumenical relations at the MP, and is also a talented composer, was present at the deathbed of Rev. Billy Graham. The MP also had an official relationship with the Metropolia, a grouping of Russian Orthodox churches in North America including all the churches in the massive Archdiocese of Alaska, which consists of a great many Aleuts and other Native Americans converted to Christianity by the Russians, and this became the Orthodox Church in America, which the Moscow Patriarchate granted autocephaly to 1970, something also recognized by the autocephalous churches of Bulgaria, Poland, Georgia, Serbia, the Czech Lands and Slovakia, and I think the Antiochians, but not by the EP, or the other churches that recognize the Orthodox Church in Ukraine. The greater number of Russian Orthodox churches in the US are a part of the OCA, which is completely independent of Moscow, but the OCA also expanded and accounts for about half of the Bulgarian and Romanian Orthodox Churches, and also a bit more than half of the Carpatho-Rusyn Orthodox Churches. The other half, in a pattern which seems to repeat itself, are part of an autonomous church under the Ecumenical Patriarchate, the American Carpatho Rusyn Orthodox Diocese, which like most autonomous churches under the EP, has a Greek bishop rather than a Carpatho Rusyn bishop. The OCA has had multiple Metropolitans of Carpatho Rusyn ethnicity.

ROCOR and the OCA have substantial Ukrainian membership, and are substantially larger than the Ukrainian Orthodox Church in North America, which is also under the Ecumenical Patriarchate. Despite this, and despite ROCOR and the OCA donating massive amounts to help Ukrainian refugees in Poland, and despite the fact that the presiding bishop of ROCOR, Metropolitan Hilarion Kapral, memory eternal, who reposed in late May, was a Ukrainian Canadian, ROCOR and OCA churches in the US and elsewhere have been vandalized since the conflict began, despite being the churches where most Ukrainians are worshipping, as discussed here: Vandalism of Russian Orthodox Church in New Zealand

Now this thread in the Orthodox forum address several of the issues you have raised:
UOC-MP is seeking relations with OCU
 
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Lastly, regarding the remarks you attribute to Pope Francis, I hope he did not say that, as it would be an inappropriate remark. Pope Francis has caused, as is well known, extreme controversy in the Roman Catholic Church for his very harsh treatment of the Traditional Latin Mass community, and for his liberal theological views, as well as his controversial actions at the Amazonian Synod.

The fact is however that the second largest churches in Ukraine, Russia and Belarus are under Pope Francis, with the Ukrainian, Belarussian, Russian and Ruthenian Greek Catholic Churches and the Roman Catholic Church.
 
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The canonical Ukrainian Orthodox Church, which was the largest faction, and probably still is, and the is also the only one recognized as legitimate by most other Orthodox churches, is an autonomous church under the omophorion of the Moscow Patriarchate. This means that the Holy Synod of the Moscow Patriarchate will select the successor to Metropolitan Onuphrius when he reposes, and the church receives its Chrism from Moscow, but otherwise is autonomous.

Then there is the Orthodox Church in Ukraine, which was organized in 2018 by the Ecumenical Patriarchate and was an attempt to unify the two breakaway groups including the Kiev Patriarchate, which no other canonical Orthodox Church is in communion with, under Metropolitan Epiphany, and is the second incursion they have made into canonical areas of the MP (this previously happened in Estonia, the result being there are two Estonian Orthodox Churches). However, the KP decided to leave the OCU after it was realized that it would strip the Patriarch of Kiev of his actual authority and effectively replace him with Metropolitan Epiphany.

The result of this is that there are three Orthodox Churches in Ukraine: the autonomous Ukrainian Orthodox Church, under Metropolitan Onuphrius, the independent Kiev Patriarch, and the autocephalous Orthodox Church in Ukraine, whose canonical status is recognized only by four of the fifteen other autocephalous churches: Constantinople, the Greek Orthodox Patriarchate of Alexandria, the Church of Greece, and the Church of Cyprus. The eleven other autocephalous churches, including the Greek Orthodox Patriarchate of Jerusalem, recognize the Ukrainian Orthodox Church as being the canonical church in Ukraine.

Thank you for the excellent information. It has been a real benefit to my understanding.
 
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@Aussie Pete , you seem to have an understanding that the Patriarch in the Orthodox Church is like the Pope in the Catholic Church. The Patriarch does not rule outside his diocese and he merely chairs a synod of his fellow bishops. There is no "bishop of bishops" in the Orthodox Church.
 
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@Aussie Pete , you seem to have an understanding that the Patriarch in the Orthodox Church is like the Pope in the Catholic Church. The Patriarch does not rule outside his diocese and he merely chairs a synod of his fellow bishops. There is no "bishop of bishops" in the Orthodox Church.

This is absolutely true, although the Archbishop of the Greek Orthodox Archdiocese of North America, who might be the next Ecumenical Patriarch, controversially asserted when he was Metropolitan of Bursa that Ecumenical Patriarch Bartholomew is Primus Sine Paribus, rather than Primus Inter Pares, and Patriarch Bartholomew has claimed the sole right to grant and rescind autocephaly (the former right he does not have solely, and the latter right no one has, but owing to this the EP has refused to recognize the autocephaly of the Orthodox Church of America, which is preposterous, especially given that more churches recognize it as being autocephalous than recognize the OCU, and the Tomos of Autocephaly he granted the Orthodox Church of Ukraime has unprecedented limitations, to the extent it has been argued the OCU is not truly Autocephalous, but merely autonomous). Further controversy about this is the rights the Metropolitan of Bursa seeks to attribute to the Ecumenical Patriarch are rights that, if they existed, would actually belong to the Holy Synod of the Ecumenical Patriarchate and not with the Patriarch.

So what must be understood is that the Moscow Patriarch only presides over the Holy Synod of the Moscow Patriarchate of the Russian Orthodox Church, and cannot unilaterally get rid of clergy he dislikes, except within the Metropolis of Moscow, but not in the Metropolis of St. Petersburg or the other dioceses and archdioceses, or in the autonomous churches under his Omophorion, like the Ukrainian Orthodox Church, the Orthodox Church of Japan, the Moldovan Orthodox Church, the Latvian Orthodox Church, the Lithuanian Orthodox Church (which has requested autocephaly), et cetera.

And within each of these autonomous churches, the Metropolitan presides over a Holy Synod which exercises authority within the autonomous church similiar to the authority the Holy Synod of an autocephalous church has over the Patriarch, Catholicos, Metropolitan or Archbishop of that church (the primate). Basically, the primate presides over the Holy Synod and is responsible for consecrating the Chrism on Thursday of Holy Week (known as Maundy Thursday in the West), when it needs to be replenished, every few years.

So the difference between autonomy and autocephaly is that the primate of an autonomous church, when he dies, retired or is deposed, is replaced by someone approved by the Holy Synod of the parent church.

To the extent that an indefinite number of dioceses and parishes have switched from the canonical Ukrainian Orthodox Church to the Orthodox Church of Ukraine, this is practically possible due to the autonomy of individual dioceses, except to the extent that there is no canon which allows it, and so the situation is irregular. Basically, the foundation for the existence of the OCU is the proposition, rejected by most Orthodox churches, that the Ecumenical Patriarchate can unilaterally redefine the canonical boundaries of an autocephalous church, another controversial assertion by the Ecumenical Patriarchate, which came up before in the case of the Jerusalem Patriarchate intruding on the canonical territory of the Patriarchate of Antioch, which the EP decided to sanction, consequently, the Antiochian Orthodox Church severed communion with both the Ecumenical Patriarchate and the Greek Orthodox Patriarch of Jerusalem. However, the Moscow Patriarchate has a good relationship with both Antioch and Jerusalem, but has fallen out with the churches of Alexandria, Greece and Cyprus over their support for the OCU, which is understandable.

If this sounds Byzantine, it is because it is; there is a complex ecclesiastical struggle over privileges involving the Ecumenical Patriarchate, and this predates the Ukraine crisis and is a different issue, but the two have become conflated, or rather have been intentionally confused.

Meanwhile people in the West are vandalizing parishes of the Russian Orthodox Church Abroad, which until his repose in May had a Ukrainian Metropolitan, Hilarion Kapral, memory eternal, and which has a very large Ukrainian membership and which is donating massively to support Ukrainian refugees. The same is happening to the autocephalous Orthodox Church in America, which has substantial native Alaskan, Romanian, Bulgarian, Albanian, Carpatho-Rusyn and of course, Ukrainian membership, and which is coordinating with the autocephalous Polish Orthodox Church to provide support for Ukrainian refugees in Poland.

It is morally wrong for people to attack ROCOR and the OCA or for that matter the roughly 30 parishes of the Moscow Patriarchate in the US, which are under their own bishop and are thus free to oppose what is going on in Ukraine, over objections to the military actions of the Russian government.
 
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This is absolutely true, although the Archbishop of the Greek Orthodox Archdiocese of North America, who might be the next Ecumenical Patriarch, controversially asserted when he was Metropolitan of Bursa that Ecumenical Patriarch Bartholomew is Primus Sine Paribus, rather than Primus Inter Pares, and Patriarch Bartholomew has claimed the sole right to grant and rescind autocephaly (the former right he does not have solely, and the latter right no one has, but owing to this the EP has refused to recognize the autocephaly of the Orthodox Church of America, which is preposterous, especially given that more churches recognize it as being autocephalous than recognize the OCU, and the Tomos of Autocephaly he granted the Orthodox Church of Ukraime has unprecedented limitations, to the extent it has been argued the OCU is not truly Autocephalous, but merely autonomous). Further controversy about this is the rights the Metropolitan of Bursa seeks to attribute to the Ecumenical Patriarch are rights that, if they existed, would actually belong to the Holy Synod of the Ecumenical Patriarchate and not with the Patriarch.

So what must be understood is that the Moscow Patriarch only presides over the Holy Synod of the Moscow Patriarchate of the Russian Orthodox Church, and cannot unilaterally get rid of clergy he dislikes, except within the Metropolis of Moscow, but not in the Metropolis of St. Petersburg or the other dioceses and archdioceses, or in the autonomous churches under his Omophorion, like the Ukrainian Orthodox Church, the Orthodox Church of Japan, the Moldovan Orthodox Church, the Latvian Orthodox Church, the Lithuanian Orthodox Church (which has requested autocephaly), et cetera.

And within each of these autonomous churches, the Metropolitan presides over a Holy Synod which exercises authority within the autonomous church similiar to the authority the Holy Synod of an autocephalous church has over the Patriarch, Catholicos, Metropolitan or Archbishop of that church (the primate). Basically, the primate presides over the Holy Synod and is responsible for consecrating the Chrism on Thursday of Holy Week (known as Maundy Thursday in the West), when it needs to be replenished, every few years.

So the difference between autonomy and autocephaly is that the primate of an autonomous church, when he dies, retired or is deposed, is replaced by someone approved by the Holy Synod of the parent church.

To the extent that an indefinite number of dioceses and parishes have switched from the canonical Ukrainian Orthodox Church to the Orthodox Church of Ukraine, this is practically possible due to the autonomy of individual dioceses, except to the extent that there is no canon which allows it, and so the situation is irregular. Basically, the foundation for the existence of the OCU is the proposition, rejected by most Orthodox churches, that the Ecumenical Patriarchate can unilaterally redefine the canonical boundaries of an autocephalous church, another controversial assertion by the Ecumenical Patriarchate, which came up before in the case of the Jerusalem Patriarchate intruding on the canonical territory of the Patriarchate of Antioch, which the EP decided to sanction, consequently, the Antiochian Orthodox Church severed communion with both the Ecumenical Patriarchate and the Greek Orthodox Patriarch of Jerusalem. However, the Moscow Patriarchate has a good relationship with both Antioch and Jerusalem, but has fallen out with the churches of Alexandria, Greece and Cyprus over their support for the OCU, which is understandable.

If this sounds Byzantine, it is because it is; there is a complex ecclesiastical struggle over privileges involving the Ecumenical Patriarchate, and this predates the Ukraine crisis and is a different issue, but the two have become conflated, or rather have been intentionally confused.

Meanwhile people in the West are vandalizing parishes of the Russian Orthodox Church Abroad, which until his repose in May had a Ukrainian Metropolitan, Hilarion Kapral, memory eternal, and which has a very large Ukrainian membership and which is donating massively to support Ukrainian refugees. The same is happening to the autocephalous Orthodox Church in America, which has substantial native Alaskan, Romanian, Bulgarian, Albanian, Carpatho-Rusyn and of course, Ukrainian membership, and which is coordinating with the autocephalous Polish Orthodox Church to provide support for Ukrainian refugees in Poland.

It is morally wrong for people to attack ROCOR and the OCA or for that matter the roughly 30 parishes of the Moscow Patriarchate in the US, which are under their own bishop and are thus free to oppose what is going on in Ukraine, over objections to the military actions of the Russian government.

Thank you, once more. I am personally grieved when well-meaning Westerners attack ROCOR and the OCA because of deeply-flawed understandings of these Christian bodies.
 
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