Who is MALACHI 4:5 talking about?

[mccar1969]

Just wandered who malachi 4: 5, 6 is talking about? Also Rev 11: 3 - 6
love to hear ur view:o

 

[Beasley]

Just who the passage says it is, Elijah.

Most theologians consider him one of the two witness in Rev. 11 because of the Mal 4 passage. The miracles preformed by the two witnesses are consistent with the miracles preformed by Moses and Elijah and it was Moses and Elijah that appeared with Christ on the Mt. of Transfiguration. Moses body was hidden after his death and of course Elijah was 'translated'.

 

[mccar1969]

Just who the passage says it is, Elijah.

Most theologians consider him one of the two witness in Rev. 11 because of the Mal 4 passage. The miracles preformed by the two witnesses are consistent with the miracles preformed by Moses and Elijah and it was Moses and Elijah that appeared with Christ on the Mt. of Transfiguration. Moses body was hidden after his death and of course Elijah was 'translated'.

Do you believe that elijah has come in a form of a prophet already to this age? the seventh church age messenger

 

[Beasley]

No. The herald does not come to this age.

I am not familiar with the term 'seventh church age messenger'.

 

[Lindstrom]

what i've heard it is Joshua and Zerubabbel

 

[Lindstrom]

malachi 4: 5, 6 is talking about John the baptists preperation of the way for christ

But the two witnesses is the two lampstands which most belive is joshua and zerubabbel

 

[workman]

Do you believe that elijah has come in a form of a prophet already to this age? the seventh church age messenger

To answer this question its important to read the preliminary info just prior and just following the quote in question. Thus applying the rule of "context" in interpretation. And then ask, "Has anything this specific happened prior to this verse in question?" If so, then has anything also fit the description following the verse in question? What clues to other biblical verses give? Do they match? For example, Are they discussing two different and separate situations?

Ask: How precisely to the events, people, places match? God ordained match? or Merely similar, yet not quite the exact piece of the puzzle we need yet.

I find this type of reasoning helpful in answering questions like this or testing others answers to questions like this.

Hope this is helpful. Maybe this is already what you had in mind anyhow...but good to be reminded of for each of us. (And those who read all comments)

One last thing: Be very careful at all times that you wait to make your conclusion AFTER all the evidence is in...faulty conclusions can come about because they are emotionally driven or rushed prior to hearing all the evidence.


Proverbs 19:2
It is not good to have zeal without knowledge, nor to be hasty and miss the way.

Enjoy the process of researching the word of God...

Seek and you will find!

Workman

 

[workman]

Just wandered who malachi 4: 5, 6 is talking about? Also Rev 11: 3 - 6
love to hear ur view:o

Malachi 4:5-6NIV
"See, I will send you the prophet Elijah before that great and dreadful day of the LORD comes. He will turn the hearts of the fathers to their children, and the hearts of the children to their fathers; or else I will come and strike the land with a curse."
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Matthew 11:13-15 NASB (Jesus is speaking)

"For all the prophets and the Law prophesied until John.

"And if you are willing to accept it, John himself is Elijah who was to come.

"He who has ears to hear, let him hear."

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Matthew 17:10-13 (Jesus speaking)

"And His disciples asked Him, saying, “Why then do the scribes say that Elijah must come first?”
Jesus answered and said to them, “Indeed, Elijah is coming first and will restore all things. But I say to you that Elijah has come already, and they did not know him but did to him whatever they wished. Likewise the Son of Man is also about to suffer at their hands.” Then the disciples understood that He spoke to them of John the Baptist."

 

[mccar1969]

Malachi 4:5-6NIV
"See, I will send you the prophet Elijah before that great and dreadful day of the LORD comes. He will turn the hearts of the fathers to their children, and the hearts of the children to their fathers; or else I will come and strike the land with a curse."
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Matthew 11:13-15 NASB (Jesus is speaking)

"For all the prophets and the Law prophesied until John.

"And if you are willing to accept it, John himself is Elijah who was to come.

"He who has ears to hear, let him hear."

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Matthew 17:10-13 (Jesus speaking)

"And His disciples asked Him, saying, “Why then do the scribes say that Elijah must come first?”
Jesus answered and said to them, “Indeed, Elijah is coming first and will restore all things. But I say to you that Elijah has come already, and they did not know him but did to him whatever they wished. Likewise the Son of Man is also about to suffer at their hands.” Then the disciples understood that He spoke to them of John the Baptist."

so if elijah has come already who do you think it was?

 

[Beasley]

Malachi 4:5-6NIV
"See, I will send you the prophet Elijah before that great and dreadful day of the LORD comes. He will turn the hearts of the fathers to their children, and the hearts of the children to their fathers; or else I will come and strike the land with a curse."
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Matthew 11:13-15 NASB (Jesus is speaking)

"For all the prophets and the Law prophesied until John.

"And if you are willing to accept it, John himself is Elijah who was to come.

"He who has ears to hear, let him hear."

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Matthew 17:10-13 (Jesus speaking)

"And His disciples asked Him, saying, “Why then do the scribes say that Elijah must come first?”
Jesus answered and said to them, “Indeed, Elijah is coming first and will restore all things. But I say to you that Elijah has come already, and they did not know him but did to him whatever they wished. Likewise the Son of Man is also about to suffer at their hands.” Then the disciples understood that He spoke to them of John the Baptist."

ahh how easy it is to leave out context

13For all the prophets and the law prophesied until John. 14And if ye will receive it, this is Elias, which was for to come.
15He that hath ears to hear, let him hear.
16But whereunto shall I liken this generation? It is like unto children sitting in the markets, and calling unto their fellows,
17And saying, We have piped unto you, and ye have not danced; we have mourned unto you, and ye have not lamented.
18For John came neither eating nor drinking, and they say, He hath a devil.
19The Son of man came eating and drinking, and they say, Behold a man gluttonous, and a winebibber, a friend of publicans and sinners. But wisdom is justified of her children.
20Then began he to upbraid the cities wherein most of his mighty works were done, because they repented not:
21Woe unto thee, Chorazin! woe unto thee, Bethsaida! for if the mighty works, which were done in you, had been done in Tyre and Sidon, they would have repented long ago in sackcloth and ashes.
22But I say unto you, It shall be more tolerable for Tyre and Sidon at the day of judgment, than for you.

They were not willing to receive it. The majority rejected John and they rejected their Messiah, blaspheming the Holy Spirit. He was not Elijah.

 

[workman]

Why Two Witnesses?

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Deuteronomy 19:15NIV (What the Law of God says)

"One witness is not enough to convict a man accused of any crime or offense he may have committed. A matter must be established by the testimony of two or three witnesses."

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Matthew 18:16NIV (How Jesus referred to that passage in the law)

"But if he will not listen, take one or two others along, so that 'every matter may be established by the testimony of two or three witnesses.'
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1 Timothy 5:19 (How Apostle Paul applied the verse)

Do not entertain an accusation against an elder unless it is brought by two or three witnesses.
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WHO ARE THE TWO?


Revelation 11-3-4
And I will give power to my two witnesses, and they will prophesy for 1,260 days, clothed in sackcloth." These are the two olive trees and the two lampstands that stand before the Lord of the earth.


For further understanding it is good to eximine Passages In Scripture in which "Olive Tree" is used:

Psalm 52:8

Judges 9. Note also how "fire came out" here too (figuratively).

Zechariah chapter 4 (read all of chapter)

Romans 11 (Read whole chapter)


Pray and ask God, "Who are your two witnesses?" God will be faithful to reveal the truth in his time, should we be around when they appear on the scene. Perhaps they will be two groups of people or perhaps two individuals. Be patient and wait for his answer and timing of God. (Everyone who asks receives...)


Revelation 11:5-6 (What the witnesses will do/How will we recognise them?) Has this happened yet?

If anyone tries to harm them, fire comes from their mouths and devours their enemies. This is how anyone who wants to harm them must die. These men have power to shut up the sky so that it will not rain during the time they are prophesying; and they have power to turn the waters into blood and to strike the earth with every kind of plague as often as they want.

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Revelation 11: What also of this? Has any of this happened, just like this? Its pretty specific!

7Now when they have finished their testimony, the beast that comes up from the Abyss will attack them, and overpower and kill them. 8Their bodies will lie in the street of the great city, which is figuratively called Sodom and Egypt, where also their Lord was crucified. 9For three and a half days men from every people, tribe, language and nation will gaze on their bodies and refuse them burial. 10The inhabitants of the earth will gloat over them and will celebrate by sending each other gifts, because these two prophets had tormented those who live on the earth.

11But after the three and a half days a breath of life from God entered them, and they stood on their feet, and terror struck those who saw them. 12Then they heard a loud voice from heaven saying to them, "Come up here." And they went up to heaven in a cloud, while their enemies looked on.

13At that very hour there was a severe earthquake and a tenth of the city collapsed. Seven thousand people were killed in the earthquake, and the survivors were terrified and gave glory to the God of heaven.

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It is my opinion after careful study that these "two witnesses" have not appeared on the scene yet. As the preceeding events and other events written with them involved have not happened yet.

~Workman

 

[ROGER459]

(Matthew 11:11-to-15) Verily I say unto you, Among them that are born of women there hath not risen a greater than John the Baptist: notwithstanding he that is least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than he.
(Mat 11:12) And from the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom of heaven suffereth violence, and the violent take it by force.
(Mat 11:13) For all the prophets and the law prophesied until John.
(Mat 11:14) And if ye will receive it, this is Elias, which was for to come.
(Mat 11:15) He that hath ears to hear, let him hear.

(Matthew 17:10-11-12) And his disciples asked him, saying, Why then say the scribes that Elias must first come?
(Mat 17:11) And Jesus answered and said unto them, Elias truly shall first come, and restore all things.
(Mat 17:12) But I say unto you, That Elias is come already, and they knew him not, but have done unto him whatsoever they listed. Likewise shall also the Son of man suffer of them.

BECAUSE, the Jews did not accept Christ Jesus as the Messiah [1Corinthinans 5:7], John was not Revealed as Elias!

(Luke 1:13-to-17) But the angel said unto him, Fear not, Zacharias: for thy prayer is heard; and thy wife Elisabeth shall bear thee a son, and thou shalt call his name John.
(Luk 1:14) And thou shalt have joy and gladness; and many shall rejoice at his birth.
(Luk 1:15) For he shall be great in the sight of the Lord, and shall drink neither wine nor strong drink; and he shall be filled with the Holy Ghost, even from his mother's womb.
(Luk 1:16) And many of the children of Israel shall he turn to the Lord their God.
(Luk 1:17) And he shall go before him in the spirit and power of Elias, to turn the hearts of the fathers to the children, and the disobedient to the wisdom of the just; to make ready a people prepared for the Lord.

Thanks, Roger459

 

[A Brother In Christ]

Just wandered who malachi 4: 5, 6 is talking about?

rev 11:3-7

Also Rev 11: 3 - 6
love to hear ur view:o

the jews require a sign 1 cor 1:22

this in the tribulation... a lot of people will be saved before the end times

 

[pehkay]

Moses and Elijah.

 

[PETE_]

4:5-6. God promised through Malachi that the Prophet Elijah would come and minister before the day of the Lord. This is the only passage in the Prophets that speaks of a future ministry for Elijah. Many commentators have linked this prophecy to 3:1 which speaks of a messenger who prepares the way for the Lord’s coming. However, Matthew (Matt. 11:7-10) specifically states that John the Baptist was the messenger (Mal. 3:1) who prepared the way for the Lord. But should John the Baptist also be considered the fulfillment of the prophecy about Elijah? (Mal. 4:5-6) Before John the Baptist was born an angel of the Lord predicted that he would minister ”in the spirit and power of Elijah, to turn the hearts of the fathers to their children and the disobedient to the wisdom of the righteous—to make ready a people prepared for the Lord“ (Luke 1:17). This would seem to put together the two prophecies (Mal. 3:1 and 4:5-6) and to see John as fulfilling both of them.
However, while he freely admitted that he was the one who prepared the way for the Lord (Isa. 40:3; Mal. 3:1), John expressly denied that he was Elijah (John 1:21-23). Even when Jesus called John ”the Elijah who was to come,“ He conditioned that designation with the phrase, ”if you are willing to accept it“ (Matt. 11:14). A solution to the problem seems to be offered in Matthew 17. After Elijah appeared with Christ in His transfiguration, the disciples asked about Elijah’s future coming. Jesus, speaking apparently after John’s death (cf. Matt. 14:1-2), affirmed that ”Elijah comes and will restore all things“ (Matt. 17:11). This future expectation indicates that Malachi 4:5-6 was not fulfilled in the ministry of John. Israel did not accept John the Baptist as the Elijah-like restorer of all things, so another Elijah-like forerunner is yet to come before the day of the Lord.
However, Jesus went on to say, ”Elijah has already come, and they did not recognize him“ (Matt. 17:12), and the disciples understood He was talking about John the Baptist (Matt. 17:13). The solution to all this seems to be that though John did not fulfill Malachi 4:5-6 (for Elijah is yet to come), Elijah was a type of John in that there is a great deal of similarity between Elijah in 4:5-6 and the messenger (John the Baptist) in 3:1.
It is difficult to determine whether the Elijah to come is Elijah himself (as possibly indicated in Matt. 17:11) or someone in the spirit and power of Elijah (as John was, so that Christ referred to him as simply Elijah, Matt. 17:12). The latter seems preferable. The most likely New Testament reference to this future Elijah-like ministry is Revelation 11:1-13, which speaks of the two witnesses in the Tribulation. Possibly the Apostle John was expanding the Elijah expectation into an Elijah-Elisha ministry (cf. comments on Rev. 11:3-6.) As a result of the ministry of the two witnesses many people will repent, thus uniting the hearts of . . . fathers with their children. This repentance will mean that they will not experience God’s judgment in the day of the Lord.
The last words of the Old Testament are Malachi’s ominous anticipation of the great and dreadful day of the Lord. This event of judgment, a climactic event in history, was a major theme of the prophets. The force of the warnings and appeals in Malachi’s book hinges as much on the certainty of this coming judgment as on the covenant-based offer of grace. The Book of Revelation renders the same expectation of judgment and repentance at the end of the New Testament (Rev. 22:12-17) but with greater details about the One who will return.​

Walvoord, J. F., Zuck, R. B., & Dallas Theological Seminary.