Who is Jesus?

[DamianWarS]

That is wrong. That was the answer back when he was alive on Earth. Currently he is no longer both man and God.

he's still the monogenis son of God

 

[John 4:10]

It’s not a problem if we exegete the passage closely. I explain above.

Does Jesus resurrected body need nutrients from food?

The purpose of blood which makes us 100%DNA human is missing. Doesn't science or the definition of what makes a human human matter anymore.

 

[ewq1938]

he's still the monogenis son of God

Yes but he is not still "fully man".

HE is fully GOD.

 

[John 4:10]

I believe I already explained this at least twice. Verse 50 of 1 Corinthians 15 has flesh and blood directly linked to the perishable or mortal temporal. Both are contrasted by imperishable.

Let me have a quick look.

No.

Paul is saying that flesh coupled with blood is perishable and this combination cannot inherit the Kingdom in the resurrection.

 

[John 4:10]

Jesus is the Bright Morning Star. On Earth, he was 100% God and 100% Human being.

 

[John 4:10]

Dear friends, now we are children of God, and what we will be has not yet been made known. But we know that when Christ appears, we shall be like him, for we shall see him as he is. 1 John 3:2

If John the closest of the Apostles to Jesus doesn't know what Christ's resurrection body is then how could he be unsure of his 100% human?

John would have said 100% human yet he said he does not know.

 

[DamianWarS]

Yes but he is not still "fully man".

HE is fully GOD.

Did he change after his ascension? If not he is how he was before he ascended.

 

[lesliedellow]

That Jesus was fully man is presumably not an idea even atheists would have difficulty with - if you leave aside the hair brained mythicists.

That he was fully God, the Gospel of John in particular, seems to have no doubt about.

 

[ViaCrucis]

That is wrong. That was the answer back when he was alive on Earth. Currently he is no longer both man and God.

You have an idiosyncratic definition of "human" that is not shared either by writers of Scripture, the fathers of the Church, the Creeds, or anyone in the long history of the Christian Church.

For us "human" does not mean "mortal", it means human.

-CryptoLutheran

 

[ViaCrucis]

Jesus is the Bright Morning Star. On Earth, he was 100% God and 100% Human being.

And He remains fully God and fully man even now. He never gave up His humanity. His body was changed, transformed, glorified--but it is still a human body of flesh.

As the fathers said at Chalcedon,

"We ... acknowledge one and the same Son, our Lord Jesus Christ, both fully God and fully human, truly God and truly man, consisting of a rational soul and body; consubstantial with the Father as concerns His Deity, and at the same time consubstantial with us as concerns His humanity;"

Jesus didn't go from human to non human; but remained human. But was raised up, transformed, and glorified in His resurrection, from mortal to immortal, perishable to imperishable. And like Him, we too shall be raised upon, on the Last Day, in the flesh, from mortal to immortal, perishable to imperishable. For at His Parousia He shall "change our lowly body to be like His glorious body by means of the same power by which He is able to subject all things to Himself" (Philippians 3:21)

-CryptoLutheran

 

[ViaCrucis]

Please quote chapter and verse of this. I do not get it, please explain how a flesh and bone and blood man built for the terrestrial habitation is another same version of the same man built for the heavenly habitation. Paul makes the distinction between the earthly man and the Heavenly man in 1 Corinthians 15.

Luke 24:36-43
Romans 8:11
Hebrews 13:8
1 Timothy 2:5

-CryptoLutheran

 

[ViaCrucis]

Flesh and bones without blood big difference. Why is blood not inherit the Kingdom? What type of flesh and bone? Earthly as the man of rlthe dust or Heavenly as the Lord from Heaven?

"Flesh and blood" is an idiomatic expression to refer to our current mortal, sinful existence. As when Jesus says to Peter, "flesh and blood did not reveal this to you", or in Ephesians where Paul says "our contest is not against flesh and blood". This present mortal is not what inherits the kingdom, but instead there must be resurrection, this mortal must put on the immortal, this perishable the imperishable. What is raised imperishable is still human flesh, because that which is sown is that which is raised, "it is sown in dishonor, it is raised in honor" "it is sown in weakness, it is raised in power", "it is sown a soulish body, it is raised a spiritual* body" (*c.f. Romans 8:11, it is the Spirit that gives life to the body in the resurrection).

At no point does Scripture say Jesus stopped being human.
And at no point does Scripture say that we will stop being human in our resurrection.

The Incarnation is not about Jesus temporarily entering into a human suit, it is about the union of Deity and humanity in the Person of Jesus, the Eternal Logos. The participation of God the Son in our humanity means our participation in His divinity (2 Peter 1:4, 1 John 3:2).

-CryptoLutheran

 

[ViaCrucis]

Dear friends, now we are children of God, and what we will be has not yet been made known. But we know that when Christ appears, we shall be like him, for we shall see him as he is. 1 John 3:2

If John the closest of the Apostles to Jesus doesn't know what Christ's resurrection body is then how could he be unsure of his 100% human?

John would have said 100% human yet he said he does not know.

John says that we are God's children now, what we will be he does not know; this is in relation to our being children--for John the future glory is something incomprehensible. He does not say we don't know that Jesus is human, he says what we will be (compared to our being children now by grace) we do not know.

-CryptoLutheran

 

[redleghunter]

All of them.

In fact I provided the proper passages.

Jesus’ dead mortal body was raised an immortal body.

 

[redleghunter]

You cannot separate the LOGOS from Jesus for he is the I AM.

On this side of history no. But before the Incarnation did the Divine Logos have a human body and was His Name Jesus of Nazareth?

 

[redleghunter]

That is wrong. That was the answer back when he was alive on Earth. Currently he is no longer both man and God.

Actually @DamianWarS is correct and Biblically so. If Jesus was not truly man after His Resurrection, albeit a truly incorruptible man, then why did the Apostle say:

1 Timothy 2: NASB

5For there is one God and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus, 6who gave Himself as a ransom for all—the testimony that was given at just the right time.

 

[redleghunter]

Does Jesus resurrected body need nutrients from food?

We don’t know but He did eat some fish and bread. And in our immortal bodies we will eat from the tree of life.

The purpose of blood which makes us 100%DNA human is missing.

If you can provide a peer reviewed study on the chemical makeup of an immortal imperishable body, please do so. So far it has only been done once and the “test subject” is currently seated at the Right Hand of Power.

Doesn't science or the definition of what makes a human human matter anymore.

Perhaps for a materialist but we are speaking of our Heavenly Tents (2 Corinthians 5).

 

[redleghunter]

Let me have a quick look.

No.

Paul is saying that flesh coupled with blood is perishable and this combination cannot inherit the Kingdom in the resurrection.

Flesh and blood is used for mortal bodies. You have to consider what is similar to what is contrasted in the passage.

 

[redleghunter]

Dear friends, now we are children of God, and what we will be has not yet been made known. But we know that when Christ appears, we shall be like him, for we shall see him as he is. 1 John 3:2

If John the closest of the Apostles to Jesus doesn't know what Christ's resurrection body is then how could he be unsure of his 100% human?

John would have said 100% human yet he said he does not know.

John answers by telling the audience we will be like Him. Risen incorruptible and glorified.

 

[redleghunter]

Jesus didn't go from human to non human; but remained human. But was raised up, transformed, and glorified in His resurrection, from mortal to immortal, perishable to imperishable. And like Him, we too shall be raised upon, on the Last Day, in the flesh, from mortal to immortal, perishable to imperishable. For at His Parousia He shall "change our lowly body to be like His glorious body by means of the same power by which He is able to subject all things to Himself" (Philippians 3:21)

And this is the beauty and awe of His Promise and our Christian Hope.