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WHO IS ISRAEL IN THE OLD AND NEW COVENANT?

Discussion in 'Sabbath and The Law' started by LoveGodsWord, Jun 24, 2018.

  1. LoveGodsWord

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    GOD'S ISRAEL IN THE NEW COVENANT

    Gentiles are now grafted in...

    ROMANS 11:16-27
    [16], For if the firstfruit are holy, the lump is also holy: and if the root is holy, so are the branches.

    The root represents Christ...

    [17], And if some of the branches were broken off, and you, being a wild olive tree, were grafted in among them, and with them partake of the root and fatness of the olive tree.

    The Jewish and the Gentile believers are the branches grafted onto the root (Christ)...

    [18], Boast not against the branches. But if you boast, you bear not the root, but the root you.
    [19], You will say then, The branches were broken off, that I might be grafted in.
    [20], Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and you stand by faith. Be not arrogant, but fear:

    God's ISRAEL are all those who BELIEVE and FOLLOW God's WORD...

    [21], For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also not spare you.
    [22], Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them who fell, severity; but toward you, goodness, if you continue in his goodness: otherwise you also shall be cut off.
    [23], And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be grafted in: for God is able to graft them in again.

    [24], For if you were cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and were grafted contrary to nature into a good olive tree: how much more shall these, who are the natural branches, be grafted into their own olive tree?

    [25], For I would not, brethren, that you should be ignorant of this mystery, lest you should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fullness of the Gentiles comes in.
    [26], And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Zion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:

    The NEW COVENANT is for both Jews and Greek, bond and free, all those who are in Christ. All in Christ are the seed of Abraham and heirs according to the promise.

    [27], For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.

    No more Jew or Greek, bond or free, male or female, if you are in Christ you are ISRAEL...

    GALATIANS 3:28-29 [28], THERE IS NEITHER JEW NOR GREEK, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: FOR YOU ALL ONE IN CHRIST JESUS AND IF YOU BE CHRISTS, THEN YOU ARE ABRAHAM'S SEED FOR YOU ARE ALL ONE IN CHRIST JESUS [29], and IF YOU BE CHRISTS, THEN ARE YOU ABRAHAM'S SEED, AND HEIRS ACCORDING TO THE PROMISE.

    God's true ISRAEL in the NEW COVENANT are not by name only but all those in Christ. Those of the FLESH (sinful human nature) are not Abrahams seed but those who BELIEVE and FOLLOW God in Christ are God's ISRAEL...

    ROMANS 9:6-8 [6], FOR THEY ARE NOT ALL ISRAEL WHICH ARE OF ISRAEL,: [7], NEITHER, BECAUSE THEY ARE THE SEED OF ABRAHAM, ARE THEY ALL CHILDREN: but in Isaac shall thy seed be called <Christ> [8], That is, THEY WHICH ARE THE CHILDREN OF THE FLESH, THESE ARE NOT THE CHILDREN OF GOD: BUT THE CHILDREN OF THE PROMISE <those who believe> ARE COUNTED FOR THE SEED.

    God's ISRAEL are all those in CHRIST that have been given a NEW HEART according to the NEW COVENANT promise...

    ROMANS 2:28-29 [28], FOR HE IS NOT A JEW WHICH IS ONE OUTWARDLY; NEITHER IS THAT CIRCUMCISION, WHICH IS OUTWARDS IN THE FLESH: [29], BUT HE IS A JEW WHICH IS ONE INWARDLY; and CIRCUMCISION IS OF THE HEART, IN THE SPIRIT, AND NOT IN THE LETTER; whose praise is not of men, but of God.

    In the NEW COVENANT all those in Christ are are God's ISRAEL...

    COLOSSIANS 3:11 [11], WHERE THERE IS NEITHER JEW NOR GREEK circumcision nor uncircumcision, Barbarian, Scythian, bond nor free: BUT CHRIST IS ALL IN ALL.

    ROMANS 10:11-13 [11], For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed. [12], FOR THERE IS NO DIFFERENCE BETWEEN JEW OR GREEK: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him. [13], FOR WHOSOEVER SHALL CALL UPON THE NAME OF THE LORD SHALL BE SAVED.

    The New Covenant is for God's Israel...

    EZEKIEL 36:26-27 [26], A NEW HEART WILL I GIVE YOU, AND A NEW SPIRIT WILL I PUT WITHIN YOU; AND I WILL TAKE AWAY THE STONY HEART OUT OF YOUR FLESH, AND GIVE YOU A HEART OF FLESH. [27], AND I WILL PUT MY SPIRIT WITHIN YOU, AND CAUSE YOU TO WALK IN MY STATUTES AND YOU SHALL KEEP MY JUDGEMENTS AND DO THEM.

    and again...

    JEREMIAH 31:33-34 [33], BUT THIS IS THE COVENANT THAT I WILL MAKE WITH THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL; After those days, says the LORD, I WILL PUT MY LAW IN THEIR INWARD PARTS,AND WRITE IT IN THEIR HEARTS; and will be their God, and they shall be my people. [34], And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, says the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.

    Paul proclaims it here...

    HEBREWS 8:10-12 [10], BUT THIS IS THE COVENANT THAT I WILL MAKE WITH THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL; After those days, says the LORD, I WILL PUT MY LAW IN THEIR INWARD PARTS, AND WRITE IT IN THEIR HEARTS; and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people: [11], And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest. [12], For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more.

    ................

    The NEW COVENANT is for GOD'S ISRAEL which represent those who BELIEVE and FOLLOW God’s WORD. If you are not part of GOD'S ISRAEL then you are not a part of the NEW COVENANT. Gentiles are now grafted in to God's ISRAEL
    (Romans 11:16-27)

    ISRAEL is the name given by God to all those who BELIEVE and FOLLOW his WORD. God's WORD is given to all those who BELIEVE and FOLLOW it by faith.

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    Replacement theology.
     
  3. LoveGodsWord

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    Hi Dave how are you and nice to meet you here. Can you please explain what you mean? Only God's WORD is true and we should believe and follow it.
     
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    The idea that the church replaced Natural Israel is Replacement theology and a lie from the pit.

    Gentile believers get grafted into Israel, but are still distinct.

    I do not have my references here, but tomorrow I can post links on this subject.
     
  5. LoveGodsWord

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    Hi Dave,

    The scriptures provided above do not say the Church replaced ISRAEL. They say that the gentile believers are now grafted in to God's IRAEL. The scriptures above define who God's ISRAEL are.

    To understand this it would be good to share a few scriptures on the ORIGIN of ISRAEL as well which we will look at in the next post.

    Thanks for your thoughts.
     
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    ORIGIN OF ISRAEL AND THE TWELVE TRIBES.

    The promise of God to Abraham that his descendance would be as the sand of the sea or start of heaven…

    Genesis 22:15-18 [15], And the angel of the LORD called unto Abraham out of heaven the second time, [16], And said, By myself have I sworn, says the LORD, for because you have done this thing, and have not withheld your son, your only son: [17], That in blessing I will bless you, and in multiplying I will multiply your descendants as the stars of the heaven, and as the sand which is upon the seashore; and your descendants shall possess the gate of their enemies; [18], And in your descendants shall all the nations of the earth be blessed; because you have obeyed my voice.

    Jacob a descendant of Abraham being 2nd born received the birth right from Esau...

    GENESIS 25:31 [31], And Jacob said, Sell me this day your birthright. [32], And Esau said, Behold, I am at the point of death: and what profit shall this birthright be to me? [33], And Jacob said, swear to me this day; and he swore unto him: and he sold his birthright unto Jacob. [34], Then Jacob gave Esau bread and pottage of lentils; and he did eat and drink, and rose up, and went his way: thus, Esau despised his birthright.

    God’s promise to Abraham was to be fulfilled through Abrahams descendant Jacob...

    GENESIS 32:11-12 [11], Deliver me, I pray you, from the hand of my brother, from the hand of Esau: for I fear him, lest he come and smite me, and the mother with the children. [12], And you said, I will surely do you good, and make your descendants as the sand of the sea, which cannot be numbered for multitude.

    God changes Jacobs name to ISRAEL...


    GENESIS 32:24-28 [24], And Jacob was left alone; and there wrestled a man with him until the breaking of the day. [25], And when he saw that he prevailed not against him, he touched the hollow of his thigh; and the hollow of Jacob's thigh was out of joint, as he wrestled with him. [26], And he said, let me go, for the day breaks. And he said, I will not let you go, except you bless me. [27], And he said unto him, what is your name? And he said, Jacob. [28], And he said, Your name shall be called no more Jacob, but Israel: for as a prince have you power with God and with men, and have prevailed.

    The name "Israel"
    is only a name given by God himself to represent his people. The origin of the name "Israel" come from Genesis 32:28 where Jacob wrestled with the Angel and prevailed ...for as a prince hast thou power with God and with men, and hast prevailed. Its meaning is his posterity will rule as God. Jacob had 12 sons representing the 12 tribes of Israel.

    ISRAEL (God’s new name given to Jacob) had 12 sons which make up the 12 tribes of ISRAEL...

    GENESIS 35:22-26 [22], ... Now the sons of Jacob were twelve: [23], The sons of Leah; Reuben, Jacob's firstborn, and Simeon, and Levi, and Judah, and Issachar, and Zebulun: [24], The sons of Rachel; Joseph, and Benjamin: [25], And the sons of Bilhah, Rachel's handmaid; Dan, and Naphtali: [26], And the sons of Zilpah, Leah's handmaid; Gad, and Asher: these are the sons of Jacob, who were born to him in Paddanaram.

    God’s promise of the NEW COVENANT is to ISRAEL…

    JEREMIAH 31:31-34 [31], Behold, the days come, says the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah: [32], Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; my covenant which they broke, although I was a husband unto them, says the LORD: [33], But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, says the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people. [34], And they shall teach no more every man his neighbor, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, says the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.

    144, 000 Come out of the 12 tribes of ISRAEL…

    REVELATION 7:3-8 [3], Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God on their foreheads. [4], And I heard the number of them who were sealed: and there were sealed a hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel. [5], Of the tribe of Judah were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Reuben were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Gad were sealed twelve thousand. [6], Of the tribe of Asher were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Naphtali were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Manasseh were sealed twelve thousand. [7], Of the tribe of Simeon were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Levi were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Issachar were sealed twelve thousand. [8], Of the tribe of Zebulun were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Joseph were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Benjamin were sealed twelve thousand.

    God’s people are called ISRAEL in both the OLD AND NEW COVENANT and the END OF TIME. ISRAEL is a name that God gives to all those who BELIEVE and FOLLOW God’s WORD. If you are not a part of God's ISRAEL you have no part in the NEW COVENANT.

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    OLD TESTAMENT LEADING TO ISRAEL UNDER THE NEW COVENANT

    There is no such thing as Jew or Greek anymore. All who believe and follow God's Word are one in Christ. Israel in the OLD COVENANT were those from the seed of Abraham. In the NEW COVENANT, if you are in Christ then you are Abrahams seed and heirs according to the promise...

    GALATIANS 3:28-29 [28], THERE IS NEITHER JEW NOR GREEK, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: FOR YOU ALL ONE IN CHRIST JESUS AND IF YOU BE CHRISTS, THEN YOU ARE ABRAHAM'S SEED FOR YOU ARE ALL ONE IN CHRIST JESUS [29], and IF YOU BE CHRISTS, THEN ARE YOU ABRAHAM'S SEED, AND HEIRS ACCORDING TO THE PROMISE.

    God's true ISRAEL in the NEW COVENANT are not by name only but all those in Christ. Those of the FLESH (sinful human nature) are not Abrahams seed but those who BELIEVE and FOLLOW God in Christ are God's ISRAEL...

    ROMANS 9:6-8 [6], FOR THEY ARE NOT ALL ISRAEL WHICH ARE OF ISRAEL,: [7], NEITHER, BECAUSE THEY ARE THE SEED OF ABRAHAM, ARE THEY ALL CHILDREN: but in Isaac shall thy seed be called <Christ> [8], That is, THEY WHICH ARE THE CHILDREN OF THE FLESH, THESE ARE NOT THE CHILDREN OF GOD: BUT THE CHILDREN OF THE PROMISE <those who believe> ARE COUNTED FOR THE SEED.

    God's ISRAEL are all those in CHRIST that have been given a NEW HEART according to the NEW COVENANT promise...

    ROMANS 2:28-29 [28], FOR HE IS NOT A JEW WHICH IS ONE OUTWARDLY; NEITHER IS THAT CIRCUMCISION, WHICH IS OUTWARDS IN THE FLESH: [29], BUT HE IS A JEW WHICH IS ONE INWARDLY; and CIRCUMCISION IS OF THE HEART, IN THE SPIRIT, AND NOT IN THE LETTER; whose praise is not of men, but of God.

    In the NEW COVENANT all those in Christ are are God's ISRAEL...

    COLOSSIANS 3:11 [11], WHERE THERE IS NEITHER JEW NOR GREEK circumcision nor uncircumcision, Barbarian, Scythian, bond nor free: BUT CHRIST IS ALL IN ALL.

    ROMANS 10:11-13 [11], For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed. [12], FOR THERE IS NO DIFFERENCE BETWEEN JEW OR GREEK: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him. [13], FOR WHOSOEVER SHALL CALL UPON THE NAME OF THE LORD SHALL BE SAVED.

    The New Covenant is for God's Israel...

    EZEKIEL 36:26-27 [26], A NEW HEART WILL I GIVE YOU, AND A NEW SPIRIT WILL I PUT WITHIN YOU; AND I WILL TAKE AWAY THE STONY HEART OUT OF YOUR FLESH, AND GIVE YOU A HEART OF FLESH. [27], AND I WILL PUT MY SPIRIT WITHIN YOU, AND CAUSE YOU TO WALK IN MY STATUTES AND YOU SHALL KEEP MY JUDGEMENTS AND DO THEM.

    and again...

    JEREMIAH 31:33-34 [33], BUT THIS IS THE COVENANT THAT I WILL MAKE WITH THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL; After those days, says the LORD, I WILL PUT MY LAW IN THEIR INWARD PARTS,AND WRITE IT IN THEIR HEARTS; and will be their God, and they shall be my people. [34], And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, says the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.

    Paul proclaims it here...

    HEBREWS 8:10-12 [10], BUT THIS IS THE COVENANT THAT I WILL MAKE WITH THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL; After those days, says the LORD, I WILL PUT MY LAW IN THEIR INWARD PARTS, AND WRITE IT IN THEIR HEARTS; and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people: [11], And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest. [12], For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more.

    The NEW COVENANT is for GOD'S ISRAEL which represent those who BELIEVE and FOLLOW God’s WORD.

    If you are not part of GOD'S ISRAEL then you are not a part of the NEW COVENANT (Hebrews 8:10-12).

    ............

    God's ISRAEL is the name given by God to all those who BELIEVE and FOLLOW his WORD. GENTILES are now grafted in. If you are not a part of the God's ISRAEL then you have no part in the NEW COVENANT.

    Hope this helps...
     
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    GODS SABBATH A SIGN AND EVERLASTING COVENANT TO GOD’S ISRAEL

    God's Sabbth (4th Commandment) is indeed a SIGN to God's people. Where does it say in the scriptures that this sign is not applicable now in the NEW COVENANT?

    let's read the scriptures....

    EXODUS 31:13-17 [13], Speak also unto the children of Israel, saying, Verily my sabbaths you shall keep: for it is a sign between me and you throughout your generations; that you may know that I am the LORD that does sanctify you. [14], You shall keep the sabbath therefore; for it is holy unto you: every one that defiles it shall surely be put to death: for whosoever does any work on it, that soul shall be cut off from among his people. [15], Six days may work be done; but on the seventh is the sabbath of rest, holy to the LORD: whosoever does any work on the sabbath day, he shall surely be put to death. [16], Therefore the children of Israel shall keep the sabbath, to observe the sabbath throughout their generations, for a EVERLASTING covenant. [17], It is a sign between me and the children of Israel forever: for in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, and on the seventh day he rested, and was refreshed.

    New Living Translation
    The people of Israel must keep the Sabbath day by observing it from generation to generation. This is a covenant obligation for all time.

    English Standard Version
    Therefore the people of Israel shall keep the Sabbath, observing the Sabbath throughout their generations, as a covenant forever.

    New American Standard Bible
    'So the sons of Israel shall observe the sabbath, to celebrate the sabbath throughout their generations as a perpetual covenant.'

    King James Bible
    Wherefore the children of Israel shall keep the sabbath, to observe the sabbath throughout their generations, for a perpetual covenant.

    Christian Standard Bible
    The Israelites must observe the Sabbath, celebrating it throughout their generations as a permanent covenant.

    Douay-Rheims Bible
    Let the children of Israel keep the sabbath, and celebrate it in their generations. It is an everlasting covenant

    Darby Bible Translation
    And the children of Israel shall keep the sabbath, to observe the sabbath throughout their generations -- [it is] an everlasting covenant.

    Now all of this links into the next key scripture as follows

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    ISAIAH 66:22-23 [22], For as the NEW HEAVENS AND THE NEW EARTH, which I will make, shall remain before me, says the LORD, so shall your descendants and your name remain. [23], And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and FROM ONE SABBATH TO ANOTHER, shall all flesh come to worship before me, says the LORD.

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    CONCLUSION: Yep the scriptures are pretty clear here that God's SABBATH is an EVERLASTING COVENANT to God's ISRAEL that will be kept in the NEW EARTH

    Hope this helps.
     
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    Now let's deal with this error of an Israelite sabbath, many times mis-nomered/called the "old Jewish sabbath":

    The Israelites, the peoples, were to be a Light unto the Gentiles, the nations surrounding them...

    DEUTERONOMY 4:5 - Behold, I have taught you statutes and judgments, even as the LORD my God commanded me, that ye should do so in the land whither ye go to possess it.

    DEUTERONOMY 4:6 KJB - Keep therefore and do them; for this is your wisdom and your understanding in the sight of the nations, which shall hear all these statutes, and say, Surely this great nation is a wise and understanding people.

    DEUTERONOMY 4:7 KJB - For what nation is there so great, who hath God so nigh unto them, as the LORD our God is in all things that we call upon him for?

    DEUTERONOMY 4:8 KJB - And what nation is there so great, that hath statutes and judgments so righteous as all this law, which I set before you this day?
    Both King David and King Solomon knew this [1 Kings 10:1-13], which even brought the queen of 7 [sheba] to Solomon and she marvelled, taking the truth back with her to her country, and we find even the fruit of it in the book of Acts [Acts 8:26-40]. See Genesis 18:18; and such as Isaiah 60, etc.

    Exodus 19:6 And ye shall be unto me a kingdom of priests, and an holy nation. These are the words which thou shalt speak unto the children of Israel.
    Such a holy royal nation was to be a guide to the blind, a lifter up of the fallen in sin and who could still repent [not those nations which God had already given hundreds of years of mercy, and thus were to be cut out of the land.

    Answer me, and you will so in answering me, answer your own question:

    Does the bible use the phrase "Jewish Sabbath" anywhere?

    Since most, incorrectly, think that sabbath keeping began with Moses, rather than with JEHOVAH from the beginning in Genesis, let us ask:

    Was Moses an Levite/Hebrew rather than a "Jew"?

    Was Aaron an Levite/Hebrew rather than a "Jew"?

    Was Miriam an Levite/Hebrew rather than a "Jew"?

    Were the mixed multitude "Jews" that came up out of Egypt with Moses and Israel [the peoples]?

    Was Moses' wife, Zipporah, a "Jew"?

    Were the other tribes of Israel, in the days of Moses, other than Judah, "Jews"?

    In the prophecy of Isaiah 56:1-8 [mentioned in the NT, John 10:16, 21:17, etc], were the "sons of the stranger" who were to take hold of the New Covenant, "keepeth the sabbath from polluting it", and have an "everlasting name", physically "Jews"?

    In Acts 13:42-44, did even the "Gentiles" come together on the "sabbath" to "hear the word of God"?

    In the prophecy of Isaiah 66:22-23, in regards the "new heavens" and the "new earth", wherein "from one sabbath to another", shall therein "all flesh" come to worship before God, is the "all flesh" only physically "Jews"?

    In Genesis 2:1-3; appropriated in Exodus 20:8-11, etc, did God [Elohiym], when finished with the work of creation, cease and then "rested" in "the seventh day", which was then "blessed" and "sanctified"?

    Was God then [Genesis 2:1-3] in the form of a servant, a man, or a Jew [from the tribe of Judah]?

    Genesis 2:1-3 & Exodus 20:11 KJB, says that God rested the 7th Day, all the way back in Genesis, and that "the seventh day" is "the sabbath of the LORD [JEHOVAH] thy God [Elohiym]" [Exodus 20:10 KJB]:

    Genesis 2:1 KJB - Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.

    Genesis 2:2 KJB - And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.

    Genesis 2:3 KJB - And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.

    Exodus 20:11 KJB - For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.
    So, when God "made" the sabbath, was it "made" for "the man" Adam [and thus all humanity in him]?

    I ask, because Jesus said this:

    Mark 2:27 KJB - And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath:

    Mark 2:27 GNT TR - και ελεγεν αυτοις το σαββατον δια τον ανθρωπον εγενετο ουχ ο ανθρωπος δια το σαββατον

    Literally, '... the sabbath [of the LORD [JEHOVAH], the 7th day, context] was made/created for the man ...'

    The only "the [definite article] man" [Hebrew: 'ha adam'] [singular] that was around when things were "made" [thus at Genesis], is "Adam" [and all humanity in him]. This agrees with Genesis 2:7, which speaks of "the Adam":

    Genesis 2:7 KJB - And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

    Genesis 2:7 HOT - וייצר יהוה אלהים את־האדם עפר מן־האדמה ויפח באפיו נשׁמת חיים ויהי האדם לנפשׁ חיה׃

    Genesis 2:7 HOT Translit. - waYiytzer y'hwäh élohiym et-häädäm äfär min-häádämäh waYiPach B'aPäyw nish'mat chaYiym way'hiy häädäm l'nefesh chaYäh

    Genesis 2:7 LXX* (so-called) - καὶ ἔπλασεν ὁ θεὸς τὸν ἄνθρωπον χοῦν ἀπὸ τῆς γῆς καὶ ἐνεφύσησεν εἰς τὸ πρόσωπον αὐτοῦ πνοὴν ζωῆς, καὶ ἐγένετο ἄνθρωπος εἰς ψυχὴν ζῶσαν.
    Thus, would you agree that the LORD [JEHOVAH] God [Elohiym] "made" "the seventh day" "the sabbath of the LORD [JEHOVAH] thy God [Elohiym]" "for" Adam, "the man", and that God set the example for "the man" the first time by having "rested" in it way back then, and then blessed and hallowed it "for" "the man" - Adam; for God having "made" it "for" "the man" as a holy blessing and delight?

    Was the "man" [Adam] for whom the "sabbath" was "made" a physical "Jew"?

    Is the word "stranger" [gentile, of another nation than Israel] included in the 4th Commandment, Exodus 20:8-11?

    Are even the domesticated beasts of service and burden [Ox and Ass], included in the 4th Commandment, Exodus 20:8-11?

    Are even the "manservant" and "maidservant" [which could be of any nationality] included in the 4th Commandment, Exodus 20:8-11?

    In the 4th Commandment, Exodus 20:8-11, was it not the LORD God [YHVH, JEHOVAH Elohiym] who "rested" in the beginning of Creation, Genesis 2:1-3, and therefore is His [belonging to] Holy day [the seventh day and no other] in which He rested from creating/speaking, and thus blessed and sanctified the seventh day for the man, Mark 2:27-28?

    Since the Sabbath of the LORD God is in existence in the perfect creation in Genesis 2:1-3; utilized in Exodus 20:8-11, in the very Ten Commandments, and seen in the perfect life and example of Jesus, whose very daily life demonstrated the taking away of sin, which is transgression of the Holy Law of God [and Lucifer was cast out from there because of sin, and sin shall not exist therein ever again], part of the New Covenant in Isaiah 56, etc, and is again in the perfect New Creation of the New Heavens and New Earth, in Isaiah 66, wherein "all flesh" come to worship before JEHOVAH in every the Blessed Holy 7th day, the Sabbath of the LORD, are only physical "Jews" to keep it in redemption, or shall rather all who dress in the provided heavenly garments of salvation/redemption keep it [dress and keep]?

    In the NT Gospels, book of Acts and Epistles, did Jesus' true disciples and apostles ever cease from keeping the Sabbath of the LORD Jesus their God, since Jesus is the Lord of the Sabbath, being His Blessed Holy day, from creation?

    In the NT, did Jesus ever rebuke those Jewish leaders who had loaded the sabbath down with traditions from their elders/fathers which nullified the Commandment of God to none effect? (All above thanks to T7C)

    Something to think about. Only God's WORD is true and we should beleive and follow it over the teachings and traditions of men that break the commandments of God.

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    SIN is the breaking of God's Commandments (James 2:9-11; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4)

    Those who CONTINUE in UNREPENTANT SIN will NOT enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN.

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    God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

    Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has led many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

    There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.

    Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

    In times of ignorance God winks at but now ,<when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to REPENT (FOLLOW) (Acts 17:30-31).
     
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    Israel(not the 1948 state) is, always has been, and always will be God’s nation of people consisting of physical descendants of Abraham, and those who do not descend physically from Abraham (Gentiles). God’s people are those who have faith in Him & the one He sends.

    Israel is the church/the church is Israel. It’s one entity. Gentiles who believe on Messiah are grafted in to the olive tree called Israel. We become part of the Israel of God

    The Messiah is coming back for Israel, which is his church. He ain’t coming back for the Gentile nations. He will rule the gentile nations as the king of Israel. The Israel of God(not 1948) will rule the world with the Messiah as king over all.
     
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    Hi Dk, thanks for your thoughts. I agree that you would have to ignore a lot of scripture to think that God's people today are not his ISRAEL as defined in his WORD as those who BELIEVE and FOLLOW God...

    ROMANS 9:6-8 [6], FOR THEY ARE NOT ALL ISRAEL WHICH ARE OF ISRAEL,: [7], NEITHER, BECAUSE THEY ARE THE SEED OF ABRAHAM, ARE THEY ALL CHILDREN: but in Isaac shall thy seed be called <Christ> [8], That is, THEY WHICH ARE THE CHILDREN OF THE FLESH, THESE ARE NOT THE CHILDREN OF GOD: BUT THE CHILDREN OF THE PROMISE <those who believe> ARE COUNTED FOR THE SEED.

    GALATIANS 3:28-29 [28], THERE IS NEITHER JEW NOR GREEK, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: FOR YOU ALL ONE IN CHRIST JESUS AND IF YOU BE CHRISTS, THEN YOU ARE ABRAHAM'S SEED FOR YOU ARE ALL ONE IN CHRIST JESUS [29], and IF YOU BE CHRISTS, THEN ARE YOU ABRAHAM'S SEED, AND HEIRS ACCORDING TO THE PROMISE.

    ROMANS 2:28-29 [28], FOR HE IS NOT A JEW WHICH IS ONE OUTWARDLY; NEITHER IS THAT CIRCUMCISION, WHICH IS OUTWARDS IN THE FLESH: [29], BUT HE IS A JEW WHICH IS ONE INWARDLY; and CIRCUMCISION IS OF THE HEART, IN THE SPIRIT, AND NOT IN THE LETTER; whose praise is not of men, but of God.

    Now listen to Jesus talking to the Jews...

    JOHN 8:31-39
    [31], Then said Jesus to those Jews who believed on him, If you continue in my word, then are you my disciples indeed;
    [32], And you shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.
    [33], They answered him, We are Abraham's descendants, and were never in bondage to any man: how say you, You shall be made free?
    [34], Jesus answered them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever commits sin is the servant of sin.
    [35], And the servant abides not in the house forever: but the Son abides ever.
    [36], If the Son therefore shall make you free, you shall be free indeed.
    [37], I know that you are Abraham's descendant; but you seek to kill me, because my word has no place in you.
    [38], I speak that which I have seen with my Father: and you do that which you have seen with your father.
    [39], They answered and said unto him, Abraham is our father. Jesus said unto them, If you were Abraham's children, you would do the works of Abraham.

    Jesus is saying the same thing as Paul in ROMANS 9:6-8 above. God's ISRAEL under the NEW COVENANT is not being a decendent of Abraham it is CONTINUING in God's WORD by BELIEVING and FOLLOWING it.

    The children of the promise are counted for the seed (ROMANS 9:8) ...

    HEBREWS 8:10-12 [10], For this is the covenant that I will make with the HOUSE OF ISRAEL after those days, says the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:[11], And they shall not teach every man his neighbor, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest.[12], For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more.

    continuing this same line of thinking from Jesus and Paul earlier...

    ROMANS 2:28-29 [28], FOR HE IS NOT A JEW WHICH IS ONE OUTWARDLY; NEITHER IS THAT CIRCUMCISION, WHICH IS OUTWARDS IN THE FLESH: [29], BUT HE IS A JEW WHICH IS ONE INWARDLY; and CIRCUMCISION IS OF THE HEART, IN THE SPIRIT, AND NOT IN THE LETTER; whose praise is not of men, but of God.

    Hope this helps.
     
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    My original post is not in disagreement with the verses you shared. I never said that being Israel is based on being a descendant of Abraham

    If you go back and read what I wrote, you’ll see where I wrote that God’s people are those who have faith in him, and the one who he sends.


    Ishmael was a child of Abraham, but he was not a child of promise. He was brought about by works. Isaac was the child of promise who was brought about by faith

    Those of faith are the children of Abraham. Those of faith are the Israel of God.
     
  12. LoveGodsWord

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    Thanks Dkh, for the clarification. Yes it is very clear that God's ISRAEL are those who BELIEVE and FOLLOW Gods WORD. Thanks for sharing. Good point also about Ishmael
     
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    The gentiles who are grafted in are described by Paul in this way:

    Ephesians 2:12
    remember that you were at that time separate from Christ, excluded from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers to the covenants of promise, having no hope and without God in the world.​

    A commonwealth is not the actual country. The British empire used to have many commonwealth nations in addition to colonies. Canada, Australia and Kenya were all commonwealths. Were the natives in Kenya Englishmen? No. But they were British citizens.

    As to the lies of replacement theology:

    Daniel Juster - The Replacement Theology Challenge Today

    https://www.aglow.org/images/leaderDev/ReplacementTheology/Replacement-Theology-Part-1.pdf

    https://www.aglow.org/images/leaderDev/ReplacementTheology/Replacement-Theology-Part-2.pdf

    https://www.aglow.org/images/leaderDev/ReplacementTheology/Replacement-Theology-Part-3.pdf

    Replacement Theology | Jewish Voice Ministries International
     
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    And Yet Paul describes Israel as "enemies of the gospel:"

    Romans 11:28
    From the standpoint of the gospel they are enemies for your sake, but from the standpoint of God’s choice they are beloved for the sake of the fathers;
    Clearly the Israel Paul is talking about here are NOT "those who BELIEVE and FOLLOW Gods WORD."
     
  15. LoveGodsWord

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    Hello Dave,

    v28, Who are enemies of the Gospel for the gentile's sake?

    The context is the unbelievers of ISRAEL those who did not believe and follow God's WORD. These were the branches that were broken off v19 that the gentiles were grafted in and by faith they stand v20.

    If you are taking away from God's WORD then you are providing a replacement theology in my view. Only God's Word is true and we should believe and follow it over the teachings and traditions of men that break the commandments of God.

    Let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written, That you might be justified in your sayings, and might overcome when you are judged (Romans 3:4).

    Hope this helps.
     
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    Hello Dave,

    The scripture you provided above is not talking about the gentiles being grafted in. Please see Romans 11:16-27.

    Ephesians 2:12 is talking about gentiles being aliens from ISRAEL because they were living a life of sin without Christ. Notice the context in v11-12.

    Ephesians 2:11-12 [11], Therefore remember, that you being in time past Gentiles in the flesh [G4561 sinful juman nature], who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands; [12], That at that time you were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world.

    I still do not understand your point here about replacement theology. All you have provided in the links you posted was the teachings of men over the Word of God.

    To me replacement theology is when you take God's Word and try and make it say something that it is not saying or ignore it to come up with an interpretation that it is not saying. This has not been done in this OP. Scripture has been provided in both the OLD TESTAMENT which link into the NEW TESTAMENT scriptures showing the ORIGIN of God's name given to his people and who God's ISRAEL is under the NEW COVENANT promise.

    Only God's Word is true and we should follow it over the teachings and tradtions of men that break the commandments of God.

    If you are not a part of God's ISRAEL you have no part in the NEW COVENANT promise (Hebrews 8:10-12)

    Hope this helps.
     
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    Dave-W Welcoming grandchild #7, Arturus Waggoner! Supporter

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    No - replacement theology is making the church take the place of national Israel. (the Jewish people) What do you mean ""to me???" You are the arbiter of these things?
    Replacement theology is the teaching of ancient antisemetic men over the Word of God. Yes, I realize what is in the articles may conflict with how you have been TAUGHT to understand scripture; but if that is so, you have been taught incorrectly.
     
  18. LoveGodsWord

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    Who is making the Church take the place of national ISRAEL? Not at all who do we follow? The teachings of men or the Word of God. Only God's Word is true and we should believe and follow it over the teachings and tradtions of men that break the commandments of God.

    Arr but here is the thing, I was not taught any of this from anyone. It is my own bible study and the result of my own prayerful time in God's Word claiming the promises of John 14:26; John 16:13; John 7:17.

    It is God's WORD alone and we should believe and follow it. As it is written we should let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written, That you might be justified in your sayings, and might overcome when you are judged.

    Our only safety is in the Word of God and it is the Word of God alone that will judge us all come judgment day.

    Thanks for your thoughts though Dave.
     
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    Dave-W Welcoming grandchild #7, Arturus Waggoner! Supporter

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    IOW you were taught that without even knowing it.

    In your own study did you carefully read Acts 15? Acts 21.21-25?
     
  20. LoveGodsWord

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    What has Romans 11:16-27 have to do with Acts 15 and 21? How can I be taught something without even knowing it? Now your making things up.
     
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