Yes, revelation 18 gives what type of city ie, a city is superior in terms of beauty, splendor and luxury none other city that can compare to her...revelation 18:3,9,18...Probably the most beautiful city ever build in the history of mankind...A city who is centre in technology wares which traded to other countries for their riches eg, gold, silver, precious stones etc revelation 18:12-13..still waiting for you to support you claim that a woman represents a physical city in prophecy.
What city does the other woman in rev represent?
You miss what GENERATION is being pointed unto. For instance in Matt. 24, Jesus is pointing to the Generation that sees ALL THESE THINGS, and thus only the Generation that sees them all, INCLUDING the Sun and Moon going dark {during the 70th week troubles} can be THE GENERATION, which means its the Generation that is alive during the End Times Tribulation period. And the some people here will see me coming in my kingdom reference was about John, who SAW the Vision of Jesus returning, and of course Jesus went to offer the Sacrifice to the Father and then returned for 40 days. Its just a bad understanding, real bad, to claim the book of Revelation is not a future event.I will believe what is stated in scripture. This is not about what I or you want to believe; it is about what scripture directs us to believe. So please don't assert red herrings.
The position the book of Revelation is not based on "one scripture" and everyone, not just you and I, ought to pay attention to the fact of harmony you just acknowledged. So please don't assert straw men.
And additional fact of scripture is the mentions of "this generation" found throughout the gospels all refer to the generation of Jesus' immediate audience. Look it up. There's not just "one scripture;" there's a pile of them! Look them up. Accept the facts of scripture as scripture itself prsents them as written plainly stated and plainly read.
Now Google Scarlet and Purple like I have and do some in depth research. Its not about the RCC, nor about the Levitical Priests, you both get it wrong, because you both think you already have it figured out, and neither one of you are correct.The facts of Revelation are as I have stated them:
> The Levitical priesthood wore purple and scarlet. That is what the first century reader would have understood.
Another conclusion that is just wrongheaded all because we have predetermined conclusions. There is NO SUCH THING as 7 Hills. A little logic would tell us this straight away. The 7 Headed Beast is about the 7 Mediterranean Sea Beasts, Egypt, Assyria, Babylon, Persia, Greece, Rome AND the coming Anti-Christ/MAN/Beast. So please explain how this means 7 Hills in ONE PLACE ? I doesn't nor can it mean that, I can tell you what it means. It explains how the LAST BEAST HEAD will be a MAN and not a Kingdom. All of the former Beasts were Kingdoms, passed from one man to another, the Last Beast will never pass his Kingdom on, thus God......GET THIS......REDUCES the Kingdoms to Kings who have FALLEN........Thus we get 7 Kings who ARISE {Mountains/Powers} and we also get 7 Kings who FALL. Only the Last King both ARISES and FALLS {Rev. 19:20 says he is cast into hell, Daniel 7:11 says the Beast is killed and cast into hell}, so he is not like any other Beasts, they were Kingdoms, but he is a MAN !! Thats the whole point, Rev. ch. 13 agrees, he is a MAN and his number is 666. It has absolutely NOTHING to do with 7 hills !!!!!!!> Jerusalem, like Rome, is built on seven hills/mountains.
When it says he comes soon or quickly, its referring to Jesus returning FAST or IN HASTE....Not soon as you suppose, the Greek word TACHOS is used, where we get tachometer from. The word EN is used also, that means a state of TIME.........So it means when the Father sends me, at a future point in time, I will come IN HASTE.> The book opens and closes with the qualifying "time stamps" of "quickly" and "near." While the "quickly" may be interpretable, the "near" is not. This is especially so if and when we examine how scripture uses the term; it never uses "near" to mean "2000 or more years in the future."
If so then I regret doing so and ask your forgiveness. I'll endeavor to track that down and correct the error. Can you tell me in which post that error occurred?I think you quoted someone else with my signature.
How and why would any Christian in the first century understood that?The word Vatican is derived from the words vatis, which means “diviner,” and can, which means “serpent.” Vatican City and St. Peter’s Basilica were built on the ancient pagan site called in Latin vaticanus mons, which means “hill of prophecy.”
Coins minted in Vatican City often bear the inscription CITTÁ DEL VATICANO, which means “City of Prophecy.” The Church of Rome thus applies the title of “City” to its structure. The full title of the Vatican State is Stato Delle Cittá Del Vaticano, which is the combination of church and state.
There is also a woman on the reverse side of the coin, and at her feet is her title, FIDES, which means faith. This woman is symbolic of the Roman Catholic Church, which claims power over all governments on Earth.
Nope. Not only is that not what the text states but the conjugation of Matthew 24's "this generation" is near demonstrative. It cannot be made to mean "that generation."You miss what GENERATION is being pointed unto. For instance in Matt. 24, Jesus is pointing to the Generation that sees ALL THESE THINGS, and thus only the Generation that sees them all...
I don't look to Google over scripture to interpret scripture.Now Google Scarlet and Purple....
Yes, the mountains of Revelation 1 are kings. That is clearly stated in the text. That doesn't change the fact Jerusalem, like Rome sits atop seven mountains and was known as such in the first century.... for all those who think Rome is the city in question.Another conclusion that is just wrongheaded all because we have predetermined conclusions. There is NO SUCH THING as 7 Hills. A little logic would tell us this straight away. The 7 Headed Beast is about the 7 Mediterranean Sea Beasts, Egypt, Assyria, Babylon, Persia, Greece, Rome AND the coming Anti-Christ/MAN/Beast. So please explain how this means 7 Hills in ONE PLACE ? I doesn't nor can it mean that, I can tell you what it means. It explains how the LAST BEAST HEAD will be a MAN and not a Kingdom. All of the former Beasts were Kingdoms, passed from one man to another, the Last Beast will never pass his Kingdom on, thus God......GET THIS......REDUCES the Kingdoms to Kings who have FALLEN........Thus we get 7 Kings who ARISE {Mountains/Powers} and we also get 7 Kings who FALL. Only the Last King both ARISES and FALLS {Rev. 19:20 says he is cast into hell, Daniel 7:11 says the Beast is killed and cast into hell}, so he is not like any other Beasts, they were Kingdoms, but he is a MAN !! Thats the whole point, Rev. ch. 13 agrees, he is a MAN and his number is 666. It has absolutely NOTHING to do with 7 hills !!!!!!!
Yeo. It is completely reasonable to interpret "tachei" in such a manner. No argument there. No dissent was posted to that effect. You're arguing a red herring.When it says he comes soon or quickly, its referring to Jesus returning FAST or IN HASTE....Not soon as you suppose, the Greek word TACHOS is used, where we get tachometer from. The word EN is used also, that means a state of TIME.........So it means when the Father sends me, at a future point in time, I will come IN HASTE.
This proves why you are confused about the Book of Revelation {BoR}. I don't have to look them up, as a preacher of over 30 years I know them well, but for discussions sake I will copy and paste. I have done an extensive exegesis on the whole book Matt. 24. After Jesus tells them about the 70 AD event {Matt. 24:4-6} we get the Church Age Events in verses 7-14. Then in verses 15-31 we get the 70th week Tribulation events. During THIS END TIME, is what Jesus is speaking of below via his parable of the Fig Tree.Nope. Not only is that not what the text states but the conjugation of Matthew 24's "this generation" is near demonstrative. It cannot be made to mean "that generation."
And your argument does not change the fact "near" means near.
Be as critical of your sources as you are of my posts. They taught you wrong. Look it up.
Look it up.
This is purely self defeating. So you don't know the facts because you close your eyes to the facts.I don't look to Google over scripture to interpret scripture.
It's informative that you do look to Google, though. Scripture first renders scripture, RT. What scripture states is purple and scarlet were worn by the Jewish priests.
Revelation is all future save Rev. 2 and 3. There is really no use in even discussing that.What scripture states is the future events of Revelation were near. What Revelation recounts is past, present-to-the-first-century, and future to the first century events were going to come quickly because the time was near. What scripture does with the word "near" is always use it in its ordinary definition; "near" means near.
This proves why you are confused...
I will gladly return to the conversation when you repent from personally derisive content and post evidence of some ability to keep the posts about the posts and not the posters. The ad hominem content is self-indicting and fallacious with which there will be no collaboration. Consider your methods, not just your content. Until then the scriptures speak for themselves and don't need anyone to interpret them contrary to what is plainly stated.This is purely self defeating. So you don't know the facts because you close your eyes to the facts.
If so then I regret doing so and ask your forgiveness. I'll endeavor to track that down and correct the error. Can you tell me in which post that error occurred?
PS.: I tracked that post down and have corrected the error. Thx for letting me know.
Yes, revelation 18 gives what type of city ie, a city is superior in terms of beauty, splendor and luxury none other city that can compare to her...revelation 18:3,9,18...Probably the most beautiful city ever build in the history of mankind...A city who is centre in technology wares which traded to other countries for their riches eg, gold, silver, precious stones etc revelation 18:12-13..
A city built close to a coastline...
A modern city within the Babylonian empire territory...so she is the resurgence of the Old Babylonian in modern times....
So, the Old testament prophets prophesied about her try match info in Revelation to the old testament then you will get a clear understanding of who is the harlot in revelation....by the way Jesus also mentioned her to the people of those town who did not repented....Matthew, Luke....
If the verse is about Kings, and it is, and its about Kings who HAVE FALLEN {or WILL FALL in the Anti-Christ's case, or in Rome's situation where they WAS....meaning a King would fall soon} and each King {besides the Anti-Christ} was a part of a larger Kingdom, and those Kingdoms were Egypt, Assyria, Babylon, Persia, Greece and Rome......please tell me how those 7 Mountains pertain to ONE CITY ANYWHERE !! This drives me crazy, when people don't get the very verses they are reading, then try to pass them on as such and such, just because they heard it somewhere from OTHER MEN.Yes, the mountains of Revelation 1 are kings. That is clearly stated in the text. That doesn't change the fact Jerusalem, like Rome sits atop seven mountains and was known as such in the first century.... for all those who think Rome is the city in question.
Note that five of the kings have (already) fallen at the time of the vision, and an additional one has come and gone. It was earlier claimed Revelation was futurist when clearly here is another example of something in the book that is past-tense. You've negated your own claim.
You biggest problem is you don;t study the Root Hebrew and Greek words, and you seemingly don't understand the Old English ways of writing.I read an appeal to the book of Daniel. Note that Daniel was told to seal the prophesies because the time was then not yet at hand but in Revelation John is told to leave the prophesies unsealed because the time was then close at hand.
"Near" means near. "Near" does not mean "20 or more centuries from now."
Look it up.
Yeo. It is completely reasonable to interpret "tachei" in such a manner. No argument there. No dissent was posted to that effect. You're arguing a red herring.
The events that would occur will happen quickly because..... "the time is near."
Period.
The word "near" means near. The Greek word "engys" means near. That conjugation of that word is used thirty times in the NT and in every single usage it means near. It mean near in nearly every modern English translation not dependent upon the KJV tradition.
Look it up.
The book opens that way and it concludes that way.