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who is Aljazeera?

Discussion in 'News & Current Events' started by sdowney717, Sep 23, 2019.

  1. sdowney717

    sdowney717 Newbie

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    I find it interesting that this muslim news group picks up anti muslim causes against things like the Taliban or Isis which are pure expressions of genuine Islam in practice.
    Is Aljazeera promoting soft Islamic theology only or are they embracing multicultural religious acceptance as long as it is not radical extremist in practice, in other words just another feel good worldly minded news organization that promotes the Coexist philosophy.
     
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  2. Nithavela

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    Maybe your view of islam is too narrow.
     
  3. David Neos

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    Islam influenced by Post-modernism.
     
  4. David Neos

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    Islam influenced by Post-modernism.
     
  5. J03y

    J03y Cheeky lil roo

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    You honestly think an Abrahamic religion established in the 7th century was influenced by a 19-20th century critique of meta narratives as a backlash against modernism? I'm at the very least credulous.
     
  6. David Neos

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    Well, we have Reform Judaism and current Mainline Protestant Christian groups so I think I can say that it is possible.
     
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  7. J03y

    J03y Cheeky lil roo

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    Islam has fostered a great many ideas from mathematic to the economic... a rejection of modernist metanarritive I doubt is among them. If anything, seeing it is an Abrahamic religion, it pushes a single metanarritive and asserts its inevitability.
     
  8. David Neos

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    I didn't understand what you said
     
  9. dzheremi

    dzheremi Coptic Orthodox non-Egyptian

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    Two things:

    1. Of course Al Jazeera is going to champion Muslim causes or spotlight the conditions in Muslim-majority countries. They are a state-funded broadcaster from Qatar, a nation with Islam as its official religion. They are therefore not going to present Islam in anything but a blindingly positive light. It is their religion. It is not a secular news organization from a secular country.

    2. Be that as it may, since Qatar is a multi-religious society thanks to immigration (like most Gulf countries; Christians make up about 14% of Qatari society, though believers from a Muslim background are maybe only a few hundred at most), they do still air programs or news items on Christianity in the region. They should not be confused for a state like Saudi Arabia where even the mention of Christianity is verboten if it isn't to tear it apart.

    Here is a short news item from Al Jazeera on the fate of the Syriac Orthodox Christians in Jerusalem:

     
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  10. Carl Emerson

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    Nicely portrayed to vilify Israel...
     
  11. dzheremi

    dzheremi Coptic Orthodox non-Egyptian

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    As it richly deserves for its treatment of minorities, but that is another topic. The point is that the channel, while being a news outlet of an officially Muslim government, is not bereft of coverage of other religions, nor exactly peddling a 'coexist' message (if they were, you'd think they wouldn't have presented that news item that way).
     
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  12. TheBear

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    That's not quite true.

    That region did develop mathematics and other disciplines. However, when Islam and Sharia Law fully permeated that area, science, math and other technological advances, all but came to a full stop over time. If they foster such endeavors, as you imply, they should be ln the tops of Nobel Laureates list. They're not.

    If you don't think that the philosophy of Islam and Sharia Law played a major role in this, then what else could it be? I'd really like to know.
     
  13. Tanj

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    I'd like to hear more about why you'd describe a state run (or indeed any) news agency as a "who" rather than a "what". Like, who is fox news? Could you elaborate further on your choice of pronoun?
     
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  14. dzheremi

    dzheremi Coptic Orthodox non-Egyptian

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    Hmm. I had assumed it was a typo, but that would be an interesting question if it wasn't.
     
  15. J03y

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    Okay, so postmodernism is a reaction to modernity, right? So the postindustrial cultural results of romantacism. The ideas that came from modernity features themes of cultural fragmentation, social evils and narrative authority. This lead to many consistent ideas of contomporary nationalism and historicism today. People who lead the bedrock of these ideas are people like Hume, Locke, Marx, Comte and Freud.

    Postmodernists either critique or reject modernity. Ideas such as historical innevitability due to one consistent metanarrative of a given material dialectic are picked apart by postmodernists, this is why postmodernism is known for its fluid theory of truth.

    I don't see Islam fostering this. It has a metanarrative - there is no god but God and Mohammed is his prophet. It has its material dialectic - the scripture as well as the Qur'an, Hadit and Sunnah. It has historical innevitability - prophecy. It cannot function from a postmodernist view point because old world religions don't even have basis in modernity, they're more fundimental than those.


    So the answer is neither. Different cultures foster different advancements due to their material conditions allowing them so. So for when Islamicate societies were at their zenith, this was during the rule of the Abbasids who benefitted off the back of the expanse of the Umayads which gave not only access to the past Greek, Persian and Arab literature but also from India and China in the East with Western Rome from the West. The Middle East is also primely positioned for wealth, them benefitting from the Silk Road and the Indian Ocean Trade. The wealth from the Swahili Coast and the Mali Empire to the Majapahit Archepelego or the Song Dynasty - all of their mighty wealth flowed through their hands. They had the resources and the material to sustain advancement so fast that such speed wouldn't be seen until industrialisation.

    They lost this mostly after the the short lived Mongol Empire fell apart into the Chagatai Khanate, the Golden Horde, the Yuan Dynasty and the Ilkhanate, because political instability doesn't foster the same advancement. I mean they still advnaced, the descendants of these Turko-Mongol empires would be known as the Gun Powder states - the Ottomons, the Murgals and the Safavids, but this slowed. Actually, this is considered one of the driving forces of European colonialism as now cut off from the east by these Gunpowder States, the English, Portuguese, Spanish and Dutch would seek a means back into the Indian Ocean trade.

    So why is it now that Nobel Laureates now come from North America and Western Europe primarily? Because they have the material and the resource to do so. Now you'll be wondering how little I described the Islamic scriptural basis that fostered that development because it doesn't matter. I'm not inherently an adopted father but were the materials and resources in place, such as me adopting an orphan, I would literally be fostering that child. Likewise, Islam did foster advancement because it had the material and resources to do so. Right now, liberalism is fostering advancement and most could probably tell, I'm not a liberal. However, it's oviously fostering advancement because it has the material and resources as it is the primary ideology of the developed world.

    BTW, a lot of the contributions to literuature in physics from the Islamic world has been Persian. Why? Because Iran has been investing greatly in physicists as it has a material reason to develop geopolitical power by developing its technology in areas such as thermonuclear physics (to the surprise of no one). It's not because it's an Shia republic, it's not despite being a Shia republic, it just is a Shia republic developing in the field of physics.
     
  16. usexpat97

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    Why can't Aljazeera simply be a mainstream media outlet from a Muslim-dominated region? They are under no obligation to play by the western world's rules. Nor should they be.
     
  17. essentialsaltes

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    Islam fully permeated the region by the end of the 7th century. The 'Golden Age' of Islam is in the ensuing centuries.
     
  18. essentialsaltes

    essentialsaltes Stranger in a Strange Land

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    Maybe it's short for Albert Jazeera.
     
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