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Who did Jesus die for?

Discussion in 'Salvation (Soteriology)' started by Mountainmanbob, Nov 29, 2017.

  1. yeshuaslavejeff

    yeshuaslavejeff simple truth, martyr, disciple of Yahshua

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    Sorry - solid like quiksand. Not for this thread nor even for this forum.
    There are many anti-christs AMONG US, as Scripture says clearly.
    A few online (search) exposes some of them - look there. (sorry if this is disappointing, but it is necessary ) ....
     
  2. Doug Melven

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    John 10:9 I am the door: by me if any man enter in, he shall be saved, and shall go in and out, and find pasture.
    Looks to me like we have a choice to enter.
    Still waiting for an answer on 2 Peter 2:1
    false teachers denying the LORD that bought them?
     
  3. yeshuaslavejeff

    yeshuaslavejeff simple truth, martyr, disciple of Yahshua

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    Is there something difficult to understand there ? It is a straightforward statement in Yahweh's Word.
     
  4. Neal of Zebulun

    Neal of Zebulun Active Member

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    Does John MacArthur teach there aren't antichrists? I didn't hear that in the video.
     
  5. yeshuaslavejeff

    yeshuaslavejeff simple truth, martyr, disciple of Yahshua

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    I don't know. I don't think it is permitted to post what he teaches that is in error (serious error). It is however not difficult to find online. (there have been many exposes of his teachings, and others with him). Likewise many others unrelated, tickling ears and such - whenever people hear that the one they are following and had put their trust in is an unfaithful person, they don't like it and are often easily offended, so it is best to look it up online. There are a few for whom nothing is found - there is nothing in their teachings wrong, and nothing of substance against them. If , as is the case, you find something about anyone, keep it in prayer and 'resting' with Yahweh, UNTIL you see it verified BY THEIR OWN WORDS. As much as they try to hide the errors, they do eventually speak/post/preach them, and thus are seen in the open.
     
  6. Neal of Zebulun

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    I was thinking about searching for a debate that John MacArthur is in, to give it a watch/listen. I'll keep my ears open and my heart open to Yahweh, indeed Yahweh willing.

    I will say that it is not right to judge someone simply by what his detractors have to say about him.

    The foremost man who is lied about on this earth is Yahushua Messiah Himself, and his detractors are not to be trusted.

    Thanks for the warning though.
     
  7. Doug Melven

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    Calvinists claim Jesus didn't die for everybody, just the elect.
    I think they are wrong and am waiting for an answer to this verse. 2 Peter 2:1
     
  8. yeshuaslavejeff

    yeshuaslavejeff simple truth, martyr, disciple of Yahshua

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    Correct - go by what his own teachings in his own words say,
    and realize that conservative bible believing men of God went to him to correct him when they saw things that needed correction, so the steps were taken according to and in line with Scripture, and instead of repenting , he got worse and worse over the years (for many years now, apparently)....
     
  9. Neal of Zebulun

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    Good verse! I think it does contradict the video, in that the video doesn't take into account that the Atonement is not a ticket to keep sinning, and is not a determinant whether they go to the lake of fire or not, although certainly, like Peter says in 2 Peter 2:20-22, it would have been better for those who accept Christ to have never known the Way of Righteousness than for them to later reject the Holy Commandment.

    This doesn't disqualify the notion that those who do accept and then later reject Christ were never chosen to begin with, simply that He died to cover their past sins also, making it even clearer to my mind that Yahweh is completely righteous when He sends them to the lake of fire.

    Praise Yahweh!
     
  10. Mountainmanbob

    Mountainmanbob Well-Known Member Supporter

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    Faith comes by hearing of the word of God.

    Blessed are the preachers.


    M-Bob
     
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  11. yeshuaslavejeff

    yeshuaslavejeff simple truth, martyr, disciple of Yahshua

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    God Himself Said He Sent a Famine, not of food or water, but of the hearing of the Word of God.

    "Few"

    In several years asking others and posting the question on this and other ,
    so far not one person was saved (no one reading had ever heard of one) by any internet conversations anywhere, forum or otherwise,
    with one exception: after seeing all the confusion in online forums, one person said they decided to look into it themselves separate from forum(s), and discovered the truth on their own away from forum(s). As God's Word Says: if anyone seeks and keeps seeking, they will find the truth and the truth will set them free.
    If someone hears a "good sermon" (and just where ?) , then they have to be convicted by Yahweh's Spirit in their heart, led to Godly Sorrow leading to repentance, and turn to and trust in God and rely on God thru Jesus and find the truth of and in God's Written Word ... ... ... ... ...

    Of course, it is not the purpose and it is not written that people today would be saved or even helped by internet commerse/ transactions/ conversations , nor by sermons today actually, so like written in Kings somewhere (ch 22?) "all the people are without a leader, so tell them to go home" , or perhaps of the crowds and others: everyone is without a shepherd ..... every one is doing what they want to, what is right in their own eyes..... except for the remnant God picked for Himself.....
     
  12. yeshuaslavejeff

    yeshuaslavejeff simple truth, martyr, disciple of Yahshua

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    Sure, but "drawn" to what !? To Salvation and a life dedicated and devoted to Yahweh's service, living for Him as Yeshua(Jesus) Says ? Or to tickled ears as Yeshua warns ? Or what ?
     
  13. Mountainmanbob

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    The Bible teaches that there are many antichrists.




     
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  14. yeshuaslavejeff

    yeshuaslavejeff simple truth, martyr, disciple of Yahshua

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    What does the video teach ?
    .....
    (in 50,000 words or less)
    :)
    thx !
     
  15. Mountainmanbob

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    Deep teachings of the Bible regarding the question asked -- antichrist?
    Usually not found at the local Church.
    These are Christian seminary professors who both have written commentary Bibles.
    They during the past 60 years or more have studies every verse in much detail.
    Just food for thought -- for those interested.
    M-Bob
     
  16. Mountainmanbob

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    Luke 13:24

    Jesus answered, 24“Make every effort to enter through the narrow door. For many, I tell you, will try to enter and will not be able. 25After the master of the house gets up and shuts the door, you will stand outside knocking and saying, 'Lord, open the door for us.' But he will reply, 'I do not know where you are from.'
     
  17. yeshuaslavejeff

    yeshuaslavejeff simple truth, martyr, disciple of Yahshua

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    Hmmm..... for thought, I'd add the warnings of Scripture, God's Warnings, Jesus' Warnings....
    yes, even if the Apostles themselves, "test everything", and remember what Jesus says about 'scholars',
    and even better, what Jesus says about the Father's revelation of Salvation and who it is to (with God's Good Pleasure).
     
  18. bling

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    I might question the which Spirit is leading him in his understanding of atonement?
    Do you feel the Spirit makes the difference or the resume?
     
  19. yeshuaslavejeff

    yeshuaslavejeff simple truth, martyr, disciple of Yahshua

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    Laying feelings and emotions and assumptions and all the unknown aside,
    who does God's Word say to trust always ?

    hint: winning answer: God.
     
  20. Doug Melven

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    1:14 And many of the brethren in the Lord, waxing confident by my bonds, are much more bold to speak the word without fear.
    1:15 Some indeed preach Christ even of envy and strife; and some also of good will:
    1:16 The one preach Christ of contention, not sincerely, supposing to add affliction to my bonds:
    1:17 But the other of love, knowing that I am set for the defence of the gospel.
    1:18 What then? notwithstanding, every way, whether in pretence, or in truth, Christ is preached; and I therein do rejoice, yea, and will rejoice.

    Paul was just happy the Gospel was being spread.
     
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