Who Created God?

[Buttermilk]

This is like a dog chasing its own tail...pointless exercise.

Thank you for your thoughtful and constructive answers.

If you can't add anything meaningful to the discussion - and so far you haven't - then please refrain from posting meaningless posts in my thread and disrupting it.

I came back here after a number of months away hoping I might get some answers, but hey if your goal is to silence me and chase me away carry on, I won't stay where I am not wanted

Goodbye

 

[snoochface]

You know, it's really NOT that you aren't wanted here. (drama)

It's that the kind of "proof" you are looking for doesn't exist. And you have yet to explain the kind of proof you want. Makes it rather hard to respond when evidence and Christian responses are rejected. What else would you expect to get as a response on a Christian forum?

For someone who doesn't want a debate, you're doing a lot of it.

 

[Buttermilk]

You know, it's really NOT that you aren't wanted here. (drama)

It's that the kind of "proof" you are looking for doesn't exist. And you have yet to explain the kind of proof you want. Makes it rather hard to respond when evidence and Christian responses are rejected. What else would you expect to get as a response on a Christian forum?

For someone who doesn't want a debate, you're doing a lot of it.

I am not debating, they are serious questions which in turn have raised other questions I need answers to before I can move on in any direction - you've obviously never been in that position yourself or you would understand my dilema.

Seems I made a huge mistake deciding to come back to CF to look for answers - Christians here still think the worst of folk who aren't conservative, creationist, fundamentalist Christians

 

[Natural1]

Thank you for your thoughtful and constructive answers.

If you can't add anything meaningful to the discussion - and so far you haven't - then please refrain from posting meaningless posts in my thread and disrupting it.

I came back here after a number of months away hoping I might get some answers, but hey if your goal is to silence me and chase me away carry on, I won't stay where I am not wanted

Goodbye

Actually I did give a constructive answer but you chose to ignore it. The other answers were also good, but you choose to ignore their logic.
The "proof" you are seeking does not exist, because you are looking at it in the wrong manner. Proof of God in your life will come through faith & prayer...that is the only evidence we can give to you.

 

[Natural1]

I am not debating, they are serious questions which in turn have raised other questions I need answers to before I can move on in any direction - you've obviously never been in that position yourself or you would understand my dilema.

Seems I made a huge mistake deciding to come back to CF to look for answers - Christians here still think the worst of folk who aren't conservative, creationist, fundamentalist Christians

It sounds to me as if you are choosing self-pity over self-enlightenment. You didn't make a mistake coming here (my experience these forums house the most NON-judgemental Christians you'll find), but we can only answer you in so many ways before we decide it's pointless because it's not the answer you want to hear...

 

[snoochface]

I am not debating, they are serious questions which in turn have raised other questions I need answers to before I can move on in any direction - you've obviously never been in that position yourself or you would understand my dilema.

Seems I made a huge mistake deciding to come back to CF to look for answers - Christians here still think the worst of folk who aren't conservative, creationist, fundamentalist Christians

Actually, you're not even close. I was an atheist for most of my life, an agnostic until four years ago, and I'm 41 years old. I haven't been a Christian longer than I have been one. I've been exactly where you are and asked these exact same questions.

That's why I responded the way I did about the people who knew Jesus. That was the most compelling piece of evidence, to me, which helped bring me to believing the Bible. There is historical proof of the lives of the apostles and disciples of Jesus. There are extra-Biblical writings that describe their death as martyrs for Christ. A lot of canon is based on these writings that have nothing to do with the Bible, but independently support the lives of these men. And they died for the things the Bible says. That was an important piece of evidence in my coming to belief.

I am far from conservative. I am liberal in my politics, conservative in my theology. I believe the Bible, and I have tried to respond to your question. But I am at a loss as to the kind of proof you are looking for, on a Christian forum, that would not include Christian responses. I am at a loss as to the kind of proof you need.

Faith is being sure of what we hope for, and certain of what we do not see. You can't "see" faith, but it doesn't mean what we have faith in is not true. You can't "see" air, either.

 

[Blue Olive]

It looks like you would like this question examined from a scientific perspective. Philosophy (religious philosophy in this case) always precedes science. And you're asking to have the biggest question of all answered.

What is the purpose of asking this question here? I hope you're not just trying to invalidate the beliefs of others.

 

[Buttermilk]

It sounds to me as if you are choosing self-pity over self-enlightenment.

You can't make that judgement, you know nothing about what took me away or brought me back here.

You didn't make a mistake coming here (my experience these forums house the most NON-judgemental Christians you'll find),

Allow me to know different in this instance - I have been a member here just "slightly" longer than you. I have also been on staff - yes you read correctly I was on staff here for over 3 years - and if you are liberal in a theological sense then yes your are judged here.

but we can only answer you in so many ways before we decide it's pointless because it's not the answer you want to hear...

Well you could have just quietly bowed out the discussion.

 

[Buttermilk]

It looks like you would like this question examined from a scientific perspective.

Once a scientist....

Philosophy (religious philosophy in this case) always precedes science.

Not so

And you're asking to have the biggest question of all answered.

Yes

What is the purpose of asking this question here?

To get an answer - that is why people generally ask questions?

I hope you're not just trying to invalidate the beliefs of others.

If I had wanted to do that I would have posted this topic in GA - you may note I asked specifically for it NOT to be moved to somewhere like GA.

 

[RedTulipMom]

there is really no PROOF of God, if there was EVERYONE would believe in him. There is alot of history you can read and alot of evidence. Faith is something unseen. Correct me if i am wrong but at one point you gave your life to Christ? you are a Christian that lost faith? What made you lose your faith if you don't mind sharing?

As far as 6 literal days of creation, many Christians don't believe in a 6 literal days of Creation, only young Earth Christians believe that. I myself don't think it makes any sense at all. You can be a Christian and believe that those 6 days of creation were periods of time. Dont let the 6 days stop you up. MANY Christians don't believe in a literal 6 day creation, including me. Creation and Evolution aren't opposing forces..there is room for both. you might want to do some research on that subject. Maybe you just need to get with a denomination that is closer to your beliefs. it doesnt mean you have to leave Jesus to do it. God bless you. I will be praying for a return of faith for you.

 

[dead2self]

I'm sorry to say friend, but asking for this answer without accepting answers from the Bible is like asking for proof of gravity without accepting answers based in science. Science is far from infallible, and indeed many theories and hypothesis have been disproven. In fact, that is the very basis of the scientific method.

The Bible, on the other hand, while it cannot be conclusively proven with hard evidence, has never been disproved by hard evidence. In fact, much of the Bible does have hard evidence to back it up.

I for one do not think the worst of you for what I see as wrong thinking. I am sorry for you and would love to welcome you into the family of Christ. I truly wish you could find your answer in time, but when the hard evidence comes, it will be too late. This is a matter of faith I'm afraid. And only God can give you that faith.

 

[Buttermilk]

there is really no PROOF of God, if there was EVERYONE would believe in him. There is alot of history you can read and alot of evidence. Faith is something unseen. Correct me if i am wrong but at one point you gave your life to Christ? you are a Christian that lost faith? What made you lose your faith if you don't mind sharing?

I don't want to go into details

As far as 6 literal days of creation, many Christians don't believe in a 6 literal days of Creation, only young Earth Christians believe that. I myself don't think it makes any sense at all. You can be a Christian and believe that those 6 days of creation were periods of time. Dont let the 6 days stop you up. MANY Christians don't believe in a literal 6 day creation, including me. Creation and Evolution aren't opposing forces..there is room for both. you might want to do some research on that subject. Maybe you just need to get with a denomination that is closer to your beliefs. it doesnt mean you have to leave Jesus to do it. God bless you. I will be praying for a return of faith for you.

I haven't even got to that bit yet I need my first question answered before I move on to this area

On a serious note creationism (YEC) was never on my agenda - I never did or would subscribe to that - TE all the way - if I get that far

 

[Protinus]

I don't want to go into details



I haven't even got to that bit yet I need my first question answered before I move on to this area

On a serious note creationism (YEC) was never on my agenda - I never did or would subscribe to that - TE all the way - if I get that far

but I'll bet you could talk about the Singularity!

 

[Blue Olive]

If you were asked to explain nuclear accelerators or a rocket engines to primitive Man, do you think you would succeed without first teaching him about the fundamentals of physics, mathematics and chemistry? No, of course not.

I hate to sound mystical, but I think there are things that many of us aren't yet aware of or cannot yet observe that would otherwise provide us with an understanding of God or a Supreme Being. I think that we must first understand the nature of life and the physical universe before we move on to understanding God in the scientific sense.

 

[Polycarp_fan]

Who created God? Where did He come from?

The better question is: "Who" created time?

Going to timelessness is the promise that is made from the timeless One. In fact, within us, seems to be this dream or intense desire to be there always. "Love" poetry abounds in this instinctive drive to be "in love" forever. Why "forever?" Why is it that we want to be in a perfection state "forever?" The imprint OF God on our DNA, our consciouness is very convincing proof of eternity being available. The real question, is how do we obtain forever. "Forever," is outside of "time."

Who (or what) created time?

 

[Moms4Christ]

I did answer your question. I'm sorry you reject the answers given to you.

to that.

 

[Buttermilk]

to that.

If you can't make constructive comments in my thread please don't bother replying to it.

I'm sorry that I can't just accept an answer at face value, maybe you can, but I can't, that's just how it is.

I'm realising now I shouldn't have bothered questioning in the first place - I'll just crawl back under my rock

 

[woodennickle]

he just is, the only way to find out is to die and ask him...I think I can wait for that answer for awhile..LOL

 

[Sasso]

I'm an atheist agnostic as I still leave the possibility of God open. But I seriously doubt a God exists.

And this whole thing about faith... People say you must welcome Christ into your life. And you can feel his presence and all that stuff. Hasn't anyone thought about if it's all just a psychological effect? Cause and effect? That sort of thing.

 

[cool29801]

I laugh at this, I know its all real, AND I HAVE PROOF.

The holy spirit, a gift from god, right? If you feel it and have it in your heart, there is no question about it. When you start getting feelings and visions, or start to speak in a different toungue or feel like something else is moving you, doesn't that hint that someones up there guiding you?

And I can understand if your not up to this point, I remember before I recieved the Holy Spirit, I felt nothing, i felt like a normal and empty human walking this earth for nothing.

Thats more proof that you can physically and spiritually have, since you don't seem to accept the bible as a source.

God bless