Who could be the 8th king of Revelation

[Quasar92]

Yes, quite right. The fourth beast of Dan. 7 is the same as the 8th king of Rev.17:8, the Antichrist. There are two beasts in Rev.13; the beast out of the sea, the Antichrist and the beast out of the earth, the False Prophet.

Quasar92

 

[Davy]

Yes, quite right. The fourth beast of Dan. 7 is the same as the 8th king of Rev.17:8, the Antichrist. There are two beasts in Rev.13; the beast out of the sea, the Antichrist and the beast out of the earth, the False Prophet.

Quasar92

Where does God's Word say the "false prophet" is a beast?

The Rev.17:8, 10, 11 verses are about the idea of a 'beast king'. The first five were those of past history prior to John's day. The 6th was during John's day.

But the 7th beast king was still yet to come, and still is yet to come to our day. That will be the coming Antichrist for the end of this world. And Jesus when He comes will end the reign of that Antichrist, the 7th beast king.

So how can the 8th beast king be of this present world time? They are given in series, so we can't jump back in time and say the 8th happens before the 7th, etc. The 8th beast king has to be forward, sometime after Christ's return.

Rev 20:7-8
7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,

8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
KJV

 

[Quasar92]

Where does God's Word say the "false prophet" is a beast?

The Rev.17:8, 10, 11 verses are about the idea of a 'beast king'. The first five were those of past history prior to John's day. The 6th was during John's day.

But the 7th beast king was still yet to come, and still is yet to come to our day. That will be the coming Antichrist for the end of this world. And Jesus when He comes will end the reign of that Antichrist, the 7th beast king.

So how can the 8th beast king be of this present world time? They are given in series, so we can't jump back in time and say the 8th happens before the 7th, etc. The 8th beast king has to be forward, sometime after Christ's return.

Rev 20:7-8
7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,

8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
KJV

All that I previously posted is prophecy, and has nothing to do with either past history or present day events as you have assumed.

Rev.13:11 "Then I saw a second beast [the False Prophet], coming out of the earth. It had two horns like a lamb, but it spoke like a dragon. 12It exercised all the authority of the first beast on its behalf, and made the earth and its inhabitants worship the first beast, whose fatal wound had been healed. 13And it performed great signs, even causing fire to come down from heaven to the earth in full view of the people.14Because of the signs it was given power to perform on behalf of the first beast, it deceived the inhabitants of the earth. It ordered them to set up an image in honor of the beast who was wounded by the sword and yet lived. 15The second beast was given power to give breath to the image of the first beast, so that the image could speak and cause all who refused to worship the image to be killed. 16It also forced all people, great and small, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on their right hands or on their foreheads, 17so that they could not buy or sell unless they had the mark, which is the name of the beast or the number of its name."



Rev.19:20 "But the beast was captured, and with it the false prophet who had performed the signs on its behalf. With these signs he had deluded those who had received the mark of the beast and worshiped its image. The two of them were thrown alive into the fiery lake of burning sulfur."


Quasar92

 

[Another Lazarus]

The first five were those of past history prior to John's day. The 6th was during John's day.

It would be absurd for God to point out to the past history prior to John's day because Revelation is for the end times situation, which is the end of days before the Rapture and the 2nd coming of Christ !

 

[Davy]

It would be absurd for God to point out to the past history prior to Johns' day because Revelation is for the end times situation, which is the end of days before the Rapture and the 2nd coming of Christ !

What you say doesn't make sense.

The five kings that were already fallen means they existed at sometime in past history to John's day. It's as simple as that.

 

[Quasar92]

It would be absurd for God to point out to the past history prior to John's day because Revelation is for the end times situation, which is the end of days before the Rapture and the 2nd coming of Christ !

The fact of the matter is, God referred to past history many times, in reminding Israel of His bringing them out of Egypt, as well as in other issues,.

Quasar92

 

[Another Lazarus]

What you say doesn't make sense.

The five kings that were already fallen means they existed at sometime in past history to John's day. It's as simple as that.

Bible says there would appear only 4 beasts till the end of times which directly affects the Jews.

Your mentioning of five kings is not even Biblical.

 

[Eloy Craft]

I like this post. Very informative. I would like to comment on the parallels is see it has with my view.

It should be kept in mind that the name of who the Beast is ; is still unknown , it is still unknown where he will come from , if it is said that he must be of Jewish decent , there are Jews from many different countries including the USA - so we cannot know where he is or where he lives as anyone can climb a jet and fly around the world.

The works of iniquity are hidden. The powers of 'darkness' meaning they work in the unconscious part of human perception. Where they (demons)can manipulate the intellectual powers of will, imagination and memory. The goal of which is to take over the natural sanctuary of God in man, The conscience. Where man judges what is good and evil. This is a hidden work the mystery of iniquity Paul taught about. Not visible today because the man of sin is a coward and until the world is prepared to bow to him he won't show himself. Not until the false truth in men and the world is able to gather all peoples and nations into a single mindedness founded on a morality of lawlessness. A morality that enshrines the lower faculties in man (the lower animal like faculties of the soul) So that the intellect apprehends truth, and good of Satan rather than God. The significance of Jewish heritage is in the practice of the Law of Moses. The Law is the power of sin Before the Law sin had no power over man. The conscience was dead and buried in sin. There was no Law so sin had no power over man. Below is a Scripture that shows the victory of Christ over the man of sin in bit form. Also why the antichrist might be a Jew. The Jews hand the Law of Moses, and consequently the power of sin over to anti-christ or allow it's final fulfilment in time and history by believing in Christ. The power of sin ends in the conversion of the Jews. I'll have more to say about that.
1 Corinthians
55 “Where, O death, is your victory?
Where, O death, is your sting?”

56 The sting of death is sin, and the power of sin is the law. 57 But thanks be to God, who gives us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.

The Beast has a person as a partner and is called the False Prophet - the False prophet is the person who is in charge of the One World Religion - a religious man of high esteem
Very high likelihood that both the Beast and False Prophet are alive right now as adult people holding some sort of highly esteemed office ,

The battle for the throne, that is the conscience, has to be won in order for the throne on earth to be built. The false prophet is the voice that's hidden but read and heard in subtle ways, in the entertainment media, the printed 'word' books newspapers. Faith is through hearing, radio, television, movies and music, have all shifted human worship from eternal objective good of God to finite things and reshaped culture. A prophet that has the power to re-imagine human life. To reshape the perception of what is right and wrong, what should be and not be. To make sinful desires righteous. This is the false prophet teaching man a different truth about himself making a new 'image and likeness' so the conscience is reformed to be a seat of judgement for the beast and his image. Which is the image of a man.

When we look at scripture to see what circumstances will arise to bring about the Beast -One World Government and the False Prophet One World Religion we see many factors that are bringing together the NWO government we also see the major efforts to bring all religions together as a united religion . We see many churches of all denominations committing various atrocities that Jesus will not accept or tolerate as we see scriptures of Jesus speaking of these iniquities and tells us that there will be people of churches that believe they are accepted unto Christ because they cast out demons in Jesus name and Jesus does not permit them in the door saying he does not know them.

This is the mystery of iniquity. It's plan being worked out unseen, hidden and sublime. Anti-christ appears when his throne within man has accomplished the task of reforming the conscience of all people in accordance with his perverted morality. This is the rise of the one world religion hidden in man. Before it has manifest visibly. When man has become one in mind(mark on the forehead) and has accomplished the work (mark on the hand) of making all the peoples and nations into one world one moral law. When Satan has formed man in the image of the beast the hidden work is accomplished. The man of sin can appear and make his hidden religion a visible light onto the world. The world is ready to accept this man as the image of God and worship him. Because it has been worshipping him for ages without knowing it. And Satan will have recreated the tower of Babel. The first time that man gathered in a diabolical single minded effort to enthrone himself as God.

We see the rise of Chrislam , the joining of righteousness with unrighteousness , Scripture tells us in various ways not to bring in false gods into His realm or church , even statues of other gods in a True Believers home makes God angry , Catholic teaching their last Pope being a evil pope and the bizarre things happening in the papacy are not gonna be welcomed by Christ anymore than any other iniquity done by any other Christian denomination.

As it is the Catholic Church has been the most powerful voice apposing the false prophet's moral teaching slowly taking over the conscience. That being said, it is the primary target of diabolical assault and why it's a credible notion that Satan would want it's head on the chopping block. But it's structure of doctrinal authority can withstand the evilest Pope since his task is to guard doctrine and is unable to touch dogma.

I am not focusing on Catholic but noting that Jesus has stated various things that he will not tolerate in His Kingdom and tells Believers they must repent and focus on Christ and not other matters of religion as he said he will not tolerate those like the Pharisees , The Pope is very much involved in creating the One World Religion and to lose sight of what is happening in our church communities and focus only on the Beast can very well cause some people to not be concerned about deception in the church if they have total confidence in the man in the pulpit and not focus on what Almighty God has said .
Most churches today will not speak of bible prophecy , and many many do not speak of being"born again" as Jesus taught , more and more churches have become a self help style teaching and don't even offer for people to come down the aisle and pray for forgiveness at the alter

The scandal of pedophilic, homosexual, perhaps even diabolical groups within the clergy have damaged it's moral credibility weakened it's voice in the world.
This is dividing the Catholics for sure. A lot of politicians in the world forming laws that remove God from the public sphere are Catholic. The only real power an evil Pope could use to silence their voice in the world is to appeal to the laity that prefers to be indifferent to the moral shift that is happening and disable it's bodily extension that lives in the world.

 

[Davy]

Bible says there would appear only 4 beasts till the end of times which directly affects the Jews.

Your mentioning of five kings is not even Biblical.

You (or your teachers) have missed that there are FIVE... pieces to the beast statue in Daniel 2, not four:

1. gold head - Babylon kingdom
2. silver torso- Medo-Persia
3. brass thighs - Grecia
4. legs of iron - Roman
5. ten toes of iron mixed with clay - final beast kingdom for the very end.


These verses reveal that all 5 pieces of the beast statue come tumbling down, together, when Christ comes to smite it upon its symbolic feet of ten toes. It means they are all together for the final one of Rev.13.

Dan 2:34-35
34 Thou sawest till that a stone was cut out without hands, which smote the image upon his feet that were of iron and clay, and brake them to pieces.

35 Then was the iron, the clay, the brass, the silver, and the gold, broken to pieces together, and became like the chaff of the summer threshingfloors; and the wind carried them away, that no place was found for them: and the stone that smote the image became a great mountain, and filled the whole earth.
KJV

Dan 2:43-45
43 And whereas thou sawest iron mixed with miry clay, they shall mingle themselves with the seed of men: but they shall not cleave one to another, even as iron is not mixed with clay.

44 And in the days of these kings shall the God of heaven set up a kingdom, which shall never be destroyed: and the kingdom shall not be left to other people, but it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms, and it shall stand for ever.

45 Forasmuch as thou sawest that the stone was cut out of the mountain without hands, and that it brake in pieces the iron, the brass, the clay, the silver, and the gold; the great God hath made known to the king what shall come to pass hereafter: and the dream is certain, and the interpretation thereof sure.
KJV

Dan.2:44-45, even though a few verses just before that was describing a 4th beast, reveals again like verse 35 all... the five pieces of the statue being together when God sets up Christ's Kingdom at His coming.

The idea it's pointing to is a system like the Roman empire revived for the end, but to include all... the previous beast kingdoms that came before it. Each successive kingdom per history was an expansion of areas of the earth, so this is pointing to all the earth for the final one, and not necessarily a Roman emperor in Rome, the iron just being used as a symbol for strength and power like the old Roman empire.

 

[Douggg]

You (or your teachers) have missed that there are FIVE... pieces to the beast statue in Daniel 2, not four:

1. gold head - Babylon kingdom
2. silver torso- Medo-Persia
3. brass thighs - Grecia
4. legs of iron - Roman
5. ten toes of iron mixed with clay - final beast kingdom for the very end.

I don't speak for Another Lazarus, but in Daniel 7 the ten kings and the little horn emerge out of the fourth kingdom.

Daniel 7:
23 Thus he said, The fourth beast shall be the fourth kingdom upon earth, which shall be diverse from all kingdoms, and shall devour the whole earth, and shall tread it down, and break it in pieces.

24 And the ten horns out of this kingdom are ten kings that shall arise: and another shall rise after them; and he shall be diverse from the first, and he shall subdue three kings.
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In Revelation 17, there are 7 kings associated with Rome, the place where the harlot sits, and the Roman Empire.

They are:
Julius Caesar
Agustus Caesar
Tiberius
Caligula
Claudius

Nero

end times little horn - 7th king of the fourth empire of the Julio-Claudain bloodline. The prince who shall come from the people who destroyed the temple and city, Daniel 9:26b

8th king of the fourth empire will be the little horn person (as the revealed man of sin) killed and brought back to life.

 

[Another Lazarus]

They are:Julius Caesar Agustus Caesar
Tiberius Caligula Claudius Nero

The 7 head of the beast carry the harlot of Babylon (fake Christianity), what would this means to you ?

 

[Douggg]

The 7 head of the beast carry the harlot of Babylon (fake Christianity), what would this means to you ?

I am not sure of your question.

My view of the "great city(s)" are...

The great harlot - the Vatican
1. located in Rome, city of 7 hills mountains
2. tentacles to all peoples, nations, tongues
3. has had influence on the kings of the earth
4. has killed saints, most notably during the middle ages
5. presents a reason for the ten kings to burn her to the ground

The city where Jesus was crucified - Jerusalem

Mystery, Babylon the Great - the mystical kingdom of Satan
1. likened to a great city - regarding the crash of the world's economy
2. in her, found all of the blood of the saints, prophets, all killed on the earth.
3. Mother of all false religions, and abominations on the earth.

 

[Another Lazarus]

3. Mother of all false religions, and abominations on the earth.

It should be the mother of false Christianity,
its in front of your eyes if you dare to point your finger.

 

[Douggg]

It should be the mother of false Christianity,
its in front of your eyes if you dare to point your finger.

The inscription says... copy and paste....

MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.

How do you get it limited to just false imitation of Christianity? What about Islam for example?

 

[Davy]

I don't speak for Another Lazarus, but in Daniel 7 the ten kings and the little horn emerge out of the fourth kingdom.

Daniel 7:
23 Thus he said, The fourth beast shall be the fourth kingdom upon earth, which shall be diverse from all kingdoms, and shall devour the whole earth, and shall tread it down, and break it in pieces.

24 And the ten horns out of this kingdom are ten kings that shall arise: and another shall rise after them; and he shall be diverse from the first, and he shall subdue three kings.
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In Revelation 17, there are 7 kings associated with Rome, the place where the harlot sits, and the Roman Empire.

They are:
Julius Caesar
Agustus Caesar
Tiberius
Caligula
Claudius

Nero

end times little horn - 7th king of the fourth empire of the Julio-Claudain bloodline. The prince who shall come from the people who destroyed the temple and city, Daniel 9:26b

8th king of the fourth empire will be the little horn person (as the revealed man of sin) killed and brought back to life.

I have to conclude that theory of successive Roman emperors is an even worse interpretation. There's nothing in Rev.17 that suggest all the previous beast kings were Roman. John pointing to Domitian being the 6th doesn't automatically qualify all the others as being Roman emperors.

I realize the Book of Daniel describes the 4th beast kingdom being the final one at the end of this world, but there's still FIVE pieces to the beast statue we are shown are all 'together' when Jesus comes to smite it upon its ten toes (Dan.2).

The 1st beast of Daniel was Babylon, the 2nd was Medo-Persia, the 3rd was Grecia, and the 4th was Roman empire. The last one, Dan.2 is pointing to with the FEET of ten toes (ten kings of Rev.17). You can call that a 4 and 1/2 beast kingdom for all I care. History is that the Roman empire fell, no more. But a version of the old Roman empire iron idea is to be revived for the final one of Revelation, but to include ALL... the previous beast kingdoms with it, covering the whole earth. Welcome to the concept of "one world government", today's plan by western globalists and Communists working together.