Who cares about the age of the earth, or space?

[solarwave]

You are welcome to go with what you want to believe, but there is ample proof that God is capable of righteous hate against wicked people. His love is absolutely available for everyone, but He has always hated wickedness and those who practice it.

And it isn't possible to hate someone and love them at the same time?

Why did God send Jesus to die on the cross. Not to die for the ungodly because God hates the ungodly? So if Jesus didn't die for the ungodly, who did He die for... the godly? Who is godly though because all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God. So if Jesus didn't die for the ungodly or the godly can we conclude that Jesus didn't die on the cross because God hates sinners and wishes them to go to hell?

But God, "wants all men to be saved and to come to a knowledge of the truth." - 1 Timothy 2:4

And, "God demonstrates his own love for us in this: While we were still sinners, Christ died for us." - Romans 5:8

And we know this love gift is for all people because, "He is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not only for ours but also for the sins of the whole world." - 1 John 2:2

Feel free to reply to this in the personal message too.

 

[jonathan180iq]

You are welcome to go with what you want to believe, but there is ample proof that God is capable of righteous hate against wicked people. His love is absolutely available for everyone, but He has always hated wickedness and those who practice it.

At what point did I say that God is not capable of righteous hate? Don't assume that simply because I said God loves everyone that He is also incapable of hate. I'm well aware of the scriptures you posted.And I think you have to look at the them in the context of the entirety of History.

God has standards, right? I think we can all agree on that. And our inability to maintain those standards are what separates us from God, right? You know, Romans 3:21-26, all that stuff? But, inspite of ourselves, inspite of our iniquities and short comings, inspite of our habitual sins, which God foreknew and foreknows, Jesus still came. The deed was still done and salvation is still available to all men, slave or free, Jew or Gentile. Romans 5:8

So despite God's hatred of sin, which you cited, He still loves us enough to offer salvation. I mean, if you don't believe that when what are you even doing on a Christian forum? Salvation by grace to those who don't deserve it, and their resulting faith, is the very foundation of our belief. Denying that is to deny Christ.

 

[yeshuasavedme]

Why did God send Jesus to die on the cross. Not to die for the ungodly because God hates the ungodly? So if Jesus didn't die for the ungodly, who did He die for...

He died for every soul written in the Book of Life, who was to come forth in their pre-ordained season, in Adam. He died for His brother, Adam, and Adam's seed, to ransom back the lost kingdom and to adopt the Adam seed as His own, by His Atonement of cleansing Kinsman blood, offered once, for all; but those who choose to neglect the free offer will rise in their bodies, but without the Adam spirit, and they will exist forever in those bodies, but in the Lake of Fire, as rejects.

Every Adam person ever born is written in the Book of Life to be ransomed back in the New Man name, but whosoever does not will to seek and find, will not find, and will lose the Light they were born lighted with, which Light is Christ who lights every man that comes into the world.
Those who reject that Light by their own freewill choice will be blotted out of the Book of Life, and will not inherit the ransomed kingdom, with Christ, who purchased it back for them.

 

[solarwave]

He died for every soul written in the Book of Life, who was to come forth in their pre-ordained season, in Adam. He died for His brother, Adam, and Adam's seed, to ransom back the lost kingdom and to adopt the Adam seed as His own, by His Atonement of cleansing Kinsman blood, offered once, for all; but those who choose to neglect the free offer will rise in their bodies, but without the Adam spirit, and they will exist forever in those bodies, but in the Lake of Fire, as rejects.

Every Adam person ever born is written in the Book of Life to be ransomed back in the New Man name, but whosoever does not will to seek and find, will not find, and will lose the Light they were born lighted with, which Light is Christ who lights every man that comes into the world.
Those who reject that Light by their own freewill choice will be blotted out of the Book of Life, and will not inherit the ransomed kingdom, with Christ, who purchased it back for them.

I agree with your general point I think

 

[yeshuasavedme]

I agree with your general point I think

Good
That is why babies who die not having come to the age of accountability -knowing good and evil and choosing evil, against the conscience of the "Light" that lights every man that comes into the world, are covered by the blood of Atonement, and belong to Jesus. Everyone belongs to Jesus who is written in the Book of Life, and only Adam souls -the seed of Adam come to fruit in their own ordained season- are written there. That makes the second death an irreversible condition for whoever has come into their being and come to the understanding of good and evil and has neglected to seek the Light -which only leads to Christ- and which rejection keeps one from being given more Light so that their eternal judgment is not the worse for the more rejection of revealed Light.
Babies who die before coming to accountability -and mental babies of whatever age- are redeemed by the Once for all Atonement, but they get no Glory for the deeds done in the Name of the New Man. There are degrees of rewards given on the basis of actions, both in heaven, for the righteous, and in the Lake of Fire, for the rejects and the wicked. It is worse for those who have had the Light of Christ with understanding and who have willfully blasphemed that Light -as Judas and those like him did- than it is for those who just neglected by will to seek and find Christ, which every man who comes into the world is lit by, in the hopes they might seek, and haply, find.

We see the degrees of rewards in the Word for Believers and for the wicked, as a constant theme, but no man in Adam who is not born of Christ can receive any good reward for any deed done in their own name, Adam, and not in the Name of the New Man: In other words: only those who are born into the Living Spirit can receive eternal rewards for good deeds, which were ordained for them to do before the world was. Nothing anyone does in the dead old man nature can be brownie points for any means into heaven, for as Haggai 2 teaches, the defiled vessel [Adam] defiles any offering an Adam person would try to bring before a Holy God. Adam cannot enter into the presence of God in his defiled nature, and that is the teaching of the Living Oracles.
We cannot get back to Eden in Adam nature, but must be born again, into the New Man nature. That is covered for babies who die, as they get their new nature in their resurrected bodies, covered by the Atonement, but not for the babies of the nephillim, who are not covered by the Atonement, as they are not of Adam. That is why I pointed out that Goliath, for instance, who was a descendant of a fallen Watcher/son of God, through Anak, could never be redeemed, as none of the gaints/titans can.

 

[solarwave]

Well I agree that babies who die before the age of undertstanding good and evil will go to heaven, but of course disagree with your reasons why, but i don't want to argue about that since we cannot convince each other.

 

[yeshuasavedme]

Well I agree that babies who die before the age of undertstanding good and evil will go to heaven, but of course disagree with your reasons why, but i don't want to argue about that since we cannot convince each other.

It is not enough to just give one's opinion out of one's own imagination on a matter of Bible doctrine. One must back up any opinion with the Scripture for why, to prove all things by Scripture.
Now: Scripture study is not a "fast food order operation", but takes sincere study of the Word itself, with a heart to seek the Truth of what God has said in all matters of doctrine. He does not expect us to take a reading in lightness, and form an opinion without taking the whole of His Word, given through the Law and the Prophets, to discover His One Way to become adopted sons of God in the name of the New Man; and even all babies born in Adam who die before accountability must be "adopted" into Christ, to be His own sons in the resurrection; and that is what Jesus came to do for all born in Adam. Only those who by their own will refuse the call to be sons of God by adoption, while they have their being intact, can get blotted out of the Book of Life. Those who seek the Light that lights every man that comes into the world are led by that Light to the knowledge of Christ, for all who seek, find. Those who reject, neglect, or blaspheme, are cut off, which means their names are blotted out of the Book of Life -but it is not easy to get blotted out, for God is patient, desiring all men to be saved, and with longsuffering, is waiting for the harvest of earth to grow, from which He gets His sons by adoption, by means of the Covering Blood Atonement, with which sons He builds up Zion, for the Glory. -That is what redemption is about, for that was the purpose of Adam's creation, to build up Zion with human being sons of God, for the Glory to indwell.


Everything in the Torah that the namesake people of the New Man name -Israel- was given to rehearse, by Moses, is a sign of His One Way to eternal Glory, in His presence , for all born into their being, in the one old man name -Israel. Only by the Atonement can anyone be made acceptable in the Beloved Name, and that includes all born in Adam from the first seed come to fruit, to the last seed come to fruit before the 8th day begins, and the regeneration of al things is come to pass.
Babies who die naturally in this world of sin and corruption, or who are murdered in the womb or murdered at birth, and mentally impaired souls who remain without understanding and doing deeds good or evil with understanding of the will, until the day of their death, belong to Jesus Christ, for they were written in the Book of Life as Adam seed, planned to come into the Adam being in their appointed season, from before the foundation of the world.
Every soul belongs to Jesus Christ, who comes into their Adam being as by multiplication of the Adam seed, and not one soul in Adam comes into their being unless they are written in the Book of Life; and for those souls written there, Jesus died once, for all.
But those who reject, by neglect or willful, knowing, rejection, or who continuously deny the Light which is Christ, at some point in their days appointed on earth, get blotted out of the Book of Life, and they have no remedy for ever entering into the eternal relationship with God the Great Glory, by the adoption into the New Man One Living Spirit/Christ, and New MAn name, which is "Israel".

I can give Scripture for all I just said, but it is for one to study for themselves to see what God's Way is, which He has revealed, by seeking His Truth. It is all laid out in the Living Oracles, and Jesus said to Nicodemus in John 3, that, being a teacher in Israel, he should know and understand these things, about the need to be born again and inherit the kingdom of God, because that is what the priesthood, and their holy garments, and the temple service, teach, as a Tutor to bring one to the knowledge of Christ as the Way to enter into the presence of the Great Glory as adopted sons.

 

[solarwave]

Every soul belongs to Jesus Christ, who comes into their Adam being as by multiplication of the Adam seed, and not one soul in Adam comes into their being unless they are written in the Book of Life; and for those souls written there, Jesus died once, for all.
But those who reject, by neglect or willful, knowing, rejection, or who continuously deny the Light which is Christ, at some point in their days appointed on earth, get blotted out of the Book of Life, and they have no remedy for ever entering into the eternal relationship with God the Great Glory, by the adoption into the New Man One Living Spirit/Christ, and New MAn name, which is "Israel".

This idea I find quite interesting. So you would say everyone is in Christ as long as they don't reject Him, compared to everyone being lost unless they willfully choose to follow Christ? Thats a very positive idea.

Also I don't doubt whether you have bible verses to back up what you say, I'm sure you do. The problem I have is with how you interpret those verses. I'm sure you know by now that the way I see the Bible is quite different from how you do.

 

[yeshuasavedme]

This idea I find quite interesting. So you would say everyone is in Christ as long as they don't reject Him, compared to everyone being lost unless they willfully choose to follow Christ? Thats a very positive idea.

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No. Even an unispired poet knew the truth of existence, "in Him we live and move and have our being"; and Paul agreed because the Word of God treaches us that truth. No one is in the blackness of darkness called the second death, yet, and every seed born in Adam is "lighted by the Light that lights every Adam soul who comes into their being".

The names in the Book of Life are those who are called in Christ, and by the Atonement, each soul in that book is atoned for, as an Adam seed. But that does not grant new garments of second Man creation of the New Man name to them -in other words: the adoption is voluntarily received or rejected, by every soul that comes to the understanding of good and evil and chooses to seek the Light and so, to find the adoption into Christ.

It is the deeds done in the body that each Adam soul is judged for, at the judgment, and if one Adam soul comes to fruit and dies before any deeds can be written in the book of deeds, against them or for them, then that seed/soul is atoned for, and gets the regenerated body and will live forever, with Christ, in a regenerated body of flesh like His.

But if any seed comes to the age of accountability and rejects the Light, refuses to seek the Light, or finds and blasphemes the Light/Christ, then that one's name is blotted out of the Book of Life, and none of their deeds done in the unregenerated body are blotted out; and none of the deeds done in the Adam body can be counted for good for them, for nothing in Adam is good/pure or holy, and nothing done in Adam can be received before the Glory, because Adam souls, rejecting the LORD of Glory, and doing deeds called "good" by other Adam persons, is in the state the first father was in when he ate the fruit. seeking to make himself "wise" with wisdom of "self knowledge".


Adam is shut out of Eden so that his condition would not become permanent by eating of the tree of Life and living in the irreversible condition of being an outcast in the Lake of fire; and Adam was shut out so that each Adam seed could choose to seek the "Elect Life" and be born again into the New Man name, by the "once for all Atonement", which counts backwards and forwards from its fulfillment, to cover all born in Adam.


Rejecting the Light that leads to the knowledge of Christ/Wisdom of God, makes one, still, unable to enter into God's Paradise.
To enter into that Kingdom of God, one must be born into the New Man name, by their own freewill, so that all the deeds done in the body, with understanding of will, against the Light/Christ, will be blotted out of the Book of deeds, for them, and nothing counted against them -as David rejoiced in the fact of.

By not being born again in Christ, none of the deeds done in the body are blotted out, and they cannot enter into the Kingdom of God's dear Son, who purchased/ransomed each soul for regeneration, by His own, dear, second Man "Kinsman" blood.


So all Adam will rise in their bodies, because the Atonement ended the curse of the body's flesh being separated from its soul; but not all Adam will enter into the Kingdom of God because they do not receive the Atonement that gives them the opportunity to be adopted sons of God in the New Man name, by seeking the Light that lights them from the time they come into the world.
Each soul is judged according to the Light they had, and sinned against, by Him who owns them, for that Light is Christ.

Whether one knows the name of the Christ come in flesh or not, they sin against that Light or they seek that Light, and will bejudged accordingly, by the secrets of their hearts being opened before the Judge, who is the Son of Man.

Each soul blotted out of the Book of Life loses all Light forever, and there is no remedy for those who lose the Light they had, and they can never receive more, as cast aways in the Lake of Fire; which Abyss is the "outer darkness", and the "blacknessof darkness forever".


God chooses us, by His will, but we must choose His Light, by our will.
We will either get our deeds done with our will, in Adam, blotted out of the Book of Deeds, or we will get our names blotted out of the Book of Life, by His will. He chooses us by His will, for His good pleasure,; but we must choose Him by our will. for His good pleasure.
This is what the Word of God teaches us. -Would you like the Scriptures listed, so as to study them for yourself?