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Featured Who believes we are in the latter days and that the Rapture will happen in our lifetime?

Discussion in 'Eschatology - Endtimes & Prophecy Forum' started by TheSinningServant, May 9, 2019.

  1. Douggg

    Douggg anytime rapture, non-dispensationalist, futurist

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    Keras, where will Jesus be while the great tribulation is taking place here on earth?
     
  2. nolidad

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    Well it does say there is a general rapture. You just don't accept it!

    MAtthew 24:31 is a Hebrew Idiom that means from the around the world!

    But you reject the church as the bride of christ! So you cannot see that teh church must be judged and recievie their crowns and righteous robes to participate in their wedding to the Lamb BEFORE He returns to earth to figth against eh antichrist to rescue Israel!

    Now if you did a Bible study, you would find that the great Tribulation is called the wrath of God (nowhere do you see the Lake of fire called that) The church has been promised to be spared that wrath! So there has to be a pre tribulational rapture.

    As Paul said in Corinthians to be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord. All the dead saints are already in heaven! They just await reunification with ther bodies that will be glorified!

    If the church had to go through the 70 th week decreed fro Daniels people (the Jews) , then it would be possible for a member of the body of Christ to lose their salvation (by taking the mark) and that is completely unbiblical!

    I would like to see your biblical justification for putting the wedding of teh Lamb to the Church as an event after He returns to earth while SCripture absolutely places it before He returns to earth with us!
     
  3. nolidad

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    I can only encourage you to read the following:

    http://www.arielm.org/dcs/pdf/mbs039m.pdf

    It is a short but very biblical treatise on the rapture.
     
  4. LittleLambofJesus

    LittleLambofJesus PESKY DEVIL! GIT! l SAID GIT! Supporter

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    I agree.
    This one site calls it the "doctrine from hell"

    Dispensationalism: A Doctrine More Dangerous Than Hell Itself


    Essential to the worldview of dispensationalism is the “rapture” (when Christians are “caught up” into heaven), which will play a crucial role in ushering in the millennial kingdom of the seventh dispensation. '
    Based on my dealings with folks who hold this view, it seems that the rapture will be taking place any day now. Of course, this time they’re certain, just like they were the last time, and the time before that, and the time before that, nearly ad infinitum.
    Well, as ad infinitum as you can get from the year 1830 onward, which is roughly when John Nelson Darby came up with all this nonsensical dispensational hocus-pocus.

    Believers will be raptured into heaven. Then, God’s wrath and fury will be unleashed on the earth. Billions will be killed. They will then be thrown into hell, to suffer forevermore. All this will not only be endorsed by Jesus, but he will be the one leading the charge. Believers will rejoice. Hallelujah! Amen.

    But notice that first part in particular—believers will be raptured into heaven, whisked off to be with Jesus just in the nick of time.
    How convenient! Or, as the Church Lady from Saturday Night Live would say, “well, isn’t that special?”

    Sadly, this understanding creates not only complete and utter apathy, but something far worse. Sure, there is apathy for the environment, and apathy for humanity, but, like a double-edged sword, also a promulgation of the very things dispensationalists believe must take place before the end can come, before they can go to their party in the sky.
    This results in attitudes like this one, from conservative commentator Ann Coulter: “God gave us the earth. We have dominion over the plants, the animals, the trees. God said, ‘Earth is yours. Take it. Rape it. It’s yours.’”

    Pardon me while I vomit.......................
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    Matthew 23:
    15 Woe to ye Scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! That ye are going about the sea and the dry/xhran <3584> to make one proselyte, and whenever he may be becoming, ye are making him a son of geennhV<1067> twofold-more of ye-selves
    33 "Serpents! produce of vipers!
    how? ye may be fleeing from the judging<2920> of the geennhV <1067>

    Lazarus and the Rich Man - Here a little, there a little - Commentary


    Luke 16:24
    And he sounding said "Father Abraham! be thou merciful to-me! and send Lazarus! that he should be dipping the tip of the finger of him of water and should be cooling down the tongue of me
    that I am being anquisged in this Flame."

    While the significance of this seemingly pointless detail has been neglected by scholars throughout the centuries, you can be certain that it did not escape the notice of the Pharisees and scribes to which Yeshua was speaking. They thoroughly knew their history and were extremely proud of their heritage. Yeshua wanted those self-righteous Pharisees to know exactly who he was referring to with this parable.
    This detail cements the identity of the rich man as the House of Judah, the Jews!


     
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  5. nolidad

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    Think for a minute! Dominating the world means you rule over the world! A world government!

    this was not an end times prophesy but a near term prophesy of a war to come. When I ge the time I will dig out the history book and explain how this prophesy was fulfilled in the B.C. era.

    And they didn't become a political; power till the late 1990's. It is noit prophetic. The Eu has 22 nations now! How can they be ten toes?

    Well maybe He starts HIs rise to political power from Rome but the european Union is not a revived Roman Empire in any stretch of the imagination.

    And the beast is always in his role as antichrist --For he is another kind of Christ!

    No where in Scripture is he ever any kind of ruler over Israel the people. After his resurrection from teh dead and He sits in the temple declaring himself god- He will rule th eland for Israel flees for its life! But he is never king of the nation.

    Agreed I use it for ease sake. TEchnically it is the 70th week of Daniel , or the time of Jacobs trouble , or the Day of the wrath of the Lamb!

    No the great trib is the 2nd half as Jesus said in Matt. 24 and it lasts 1260 days rev. 12. The 1350 days (90 days after Jesus returns) are for mourning and the judgment of the sheep and goats.
     
  6. nolidad

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    More dangerous than hell itself? WOW! And that is probably the 5th or 6th big doctrine that dispensationalism adheres to. It doesn't even make the top three!
    But we are used to being slandered by covenant theology followers and allegorists.

    The guy reinterpreting the actual account of Lazarus and the rich man sounds just like a Jehovah Witness.

    His reason why sound hermeneutrics accept this is true is only partial because it would have been the only parable that named a specific name! Him Calling Jesus Lazarus is through faulty hermeneutics- once again reinterpreting Scriptures to fit a preconceived idea!

    The most important reason we know this is a historic account is because Jesus said "There was a man"! that means THERE WAS A MAN! It would be th eonly parable where comparative conjunction or words or passage was not used to let the reader know he was not being literal! Jesus is the God of Grammar1 He did not speak in codes so that Jehovahs witnesses and this guy would be the ones to figure it out!

    HIs explanation that the flames of sheol are figurative is even worse! He focuses on the word torment and compares it in other verses, but ignores the fact teh rich men defined why he was in torment- BECAUSE OF THE FLAMES
     
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  7. LittleLambofJesus

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    Yeah, that writer was a little harsh. Doctrines are like noses.........
    I have my own view of "hell/gehenna/lake of fire/" from a Jewish/Hebrew perspective.

    Is the "GEHENNA" of Matt 23:33 the "LAKE OF FIRE" in Revelation? Poll thread

    Jer 9:7
    Therefore thus says the LORD of hosts:
    “Behold, I will refine them and try them;
    For how shall I deal with the daughter of My people?
    Dan 11:35
    “And some of those of understanding shall fall, to refine them, purify them, and make them white, until the time of the end; because it is still for the appointed time.
    Zec 13:9
    I will bring the one-third through the fire,
    Will refine them as silver is refined, And test them as gold is tested.
    They will call on My name, And I will answer them.
    I will say, ‘This is My people'; And each one will say, ‘The LORD is my God.' ”

    Mal 3:3
    He will sit as a refiner
    and purifier of silver; he will purify the Levites and refine them like gold and silver. Then the LORD will have men who will bring offerings in righteousness,

     
  8. Douggg

    Douggg anytime rapture, non-dispensationalist, futurist

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    From Daniel 11:36-45 is end times, still waiting to be fulfilled. The prior verses are historic to us. Verse 35 is a transition verse to the end times.

    The EU has gone through a series of stages. It is in the latter time of the EU that the ten kings (leaders) come to power and the little horn.

    Daniel 8:23 And in the latter time of their [the kingdom of the transgressors] kingdom [ i.e. in the latter stages of the EU], when the transgressors are come to the full [the ten leaders in place], a king of fierce countenance [the little horn], and understanding dark sentences, shall stand up [prepares to go to war].

    The ten toes are ten kings (leaders), not ten countries. Even in the theory that the world will be divided into ten regions - those are not ten countries.

    We are just not a the last stage of the EU. Which is why I am watching brexit to see if any big changes to the EU comes out of that. We don't know what will generate the change, but when it happens it is going to settle a lot of difference of opinion on this discussion board.

    So I am saying let's just watch and see what happens.
    Revived Roman Empire is another one of those often used but misleading terms - because of repeat, based on some people interpreting that the wounded, but recovered, head on the beast in Revelation 13 is the Roman Empire - i.e revived.

    I never use the term for that reason. And instead say Roman Empire in the end times, and/or Roman Empire end times version, and/or fourth kingdom.

    The mortally wounded, but healed head, is referring to a person, not a kingdom.

    Being the beast is not the role of the Antichrist. The only place in Revelation that the person is in the role of the Antichrist is in Revelation 6, the rider on the white, given a crown. That crown is he will be anointed the King of Israel, by the false prophet.

    Well, the great tribulation includes the second half, agreed. But part of the great tribulation is the last couple of months of the first half, as well.

    In the first half
    1260 days - Revelation 11:3, Revelation 12:6

    In the second half
    3 1/2 days - Revelation 11:11
    the unspecified time for the war in heaven - Revelation 12:7-9
    the 42 months - Revelation 11:2, Revelation 13:5
    the time, times, half times - Revelation 12:4, Daniel 7:25, Daniel 12:7


    1260 days (the testimony time of the two witnesses) > 3 1/2 days their bodies lay dead > 7th trumpet sounds > war in heaven > Satan'and his kingdom cast down > Satan will then have a time, times, half times left.

    The 42 months term is in the second half, but not exactly 1260 days because the 3 1/2 days that the bodies of the two witnesses lay dead in the streets leaves 1256.5 days in the 7 years. Which is why the term is 42 months and not 1260 days in the text of Revelation 13:5 that the beast rules the world.

    He rules the world 1256.5 days and occupies Jerusalem with his army, unimpeded by the two witnesses which will have left the world on day 1263.5. Instead of saying 1256.5 days, the term 42 months is used.

    If you start doing conversions for the timeframes in Revelation thinking it is the same as normal, you can come to all kind of wrong conclusions. The timeframes in Revelation are given the way they are for a reason.

    For example, in Revelation 11, there are two verses, one following the other. In Revelation 11:2, 42 months is given. In Revelation 11:3, 1260 days. They are expressed differently for a reason. 1. they are not exact 1260 day equivalents of of each other. 2. the 1260 days is in the first half, while the 42 months is in the second half.
     
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  9. keras

    keras Writer of Bible prophecy studies.

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    In heaven.
    He will Return at the Seventh Bowl, Revelation 16:14, the great Day of Almighty God.
    However, Jesus will be revealed to His own people, soon after the Sixth Seal event; the terrible Day of His fiery wrath. 2 Thessalonians 1:6-10
    But I DO!
    1 Thess 4:17 is irrefutable; those Christians who remain will rise to meet the Lord and will always be with Him: in Jerusalem.
    It is when people like you add to that scripture and believe the fanciful notion that it means going to live in heaven; that, I strongly refute.
     
  10. Douggg

    Douggg anytime rapture, non-dispensationalist, futurist

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    Jesus will be in heaven while the great tribulation takes place, agreed.

    Here is my rationale of why the rapture/resurrection will be the escape to heaven as well, while the great tribulation takes place here on earth...and will be the time of rewards of Christians.....and will be the white linen of the bride, the Kingdom of God.

    1. the escape

    Luke 21:34 And take heed to yourselves, lest at any time your hearts be overcharged with surfeiting, and drunkenness, and cares of this life, and so that day come upon you unawares.

    35 For as a snare shall it come on all them that dwell on the face of the whole earth.

    36 Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.

    Revelaton 3:10 Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth.

    11 Behold, I come quickly: hold that fast which thou hast, that no man take thy crown.



    2. the rewards

    2Corinthians 5:10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.

    We lay our crowns at the feet of Jesus.


    3. the spotless Kingdom of God

    Revelation 19, 7 Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honour to him: for the marriage of the Lamb is come, and his wife hath made herself ready.

    8 And to her was granted that she should be arrayed in fine linen, clean and white: for the fine linen is the righteousness of saints.

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    Then at the end of the great tribulation, Jesus returns down to earth accompanied with his army of saints.
     
  11. keras

    keras Writer of Bible prophecy studies.

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    This blows your theory apart:
    Jesus Returns accompanied by His angelic army, not the saints.
    Proved by Matthew 16:27, Matthew 25:31 and more telling by Revelation 19:14
    Some other scriptures mis-translate 'hagios' as saints, but it is Greek for 'holy ones' and when a clearly stated prophecy says; angel army, then we should correctly understand all the references to who will Return with Jesus, as angels.

    But will you, Douggg; accept this truth? If not we who refute you have a good case to reject anything you say.
     
  12. Douggg

    Douggg anytime rapture, non-dispensationalist, futurist

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    It's saints. And the Holy Angels making up the army.

    Revelation 19:8 And to her was granted that she should be arrayed in fine linen, clean and white: for the fine linen is the righteousness of saints.

    Revelation 19:14 And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.

    You can go back to the mount of transfiguration passages...and also with Moses when he was on Mt. Sinai and came down to get a visual indication of the appearance of the saints when the saints return with Jesus.
     
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  13. keras

    keras Writer of Bible prophecy studies.

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    The Dougggish bible.

    Why aren't you like some other 'rapture' fools, who think they stay in heaven during the Millennium? At least then, you wouldn't make yourself look silly; riding a horse and waving a sword.
     
  14. Douggg

    Douggg anytime rapture, non-dispensationalist, futurist

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    I don't know of anyone who believes that them raptured will stay in heaven during the millennium.
     
  15. nolidad

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    Well seeing we are in heaven for our wedding to Jesus- that is moot! We are in heaven till we return with Jesus!

    Seeing as we co-reign with Jesus for 1,000 years that is moot

    Seeing as heaven comes down to earth after the millennial kingdom that is moot as well!

    22 And I saw no temple therein: for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are the temple of it.

    23 And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof.

    Heaven comes down and we get to go in and out as we please!
     
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    So you believe that the antichrist is going to rise out of the EU and conquer three rulers in the EU?

    How do you resolve that the fourth beast which is different from all others stamps down th ewhole earth? Do you believe that the EU is going to rule the world and then the ten rulers come forth from there?

    I agree! But 11:1-34 are historical and already accomplished.

    You are wrong. The crown given the antichrist in REv. 6 is a Stephanos crown (the laurel wreath given to the victorious generals of Rome) and not a diadem which is a ruling crown.

    Well I will leave you to that minutae like the Rabbis do. I just simply accept that the 70th week of Daniel is 7 Jewish years of 360 days each as the bible says. It starts when Israel signs the 7 year covenant with the Antichrist and ends when Jesus returns to Petra to fight the Antichrist back to Jerusalem, defeats Him and ascends the Mount of Olives, a total of 2520 days!
     
  17. Douggg

    Douggg anytime rapture, non-dispensationalist, futurist

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    The text of the KJV says "subdues", so I am not sure of what that means for certain. Regardless,3 of the ten leaders will be removed, somehow, by the little horn.

    Different from other nations, the EU is a kingdom of Nations. It has representatives from all of the EU Nations in its government.

    No, I don't think the EU rules the world first and then the ten leaders arise. I think the EU will first change it's government structure first, and the ten leaders and the little horn get in place... between now and when Gog/Magog take place.

    Ruling the world, comes after Gog/Magog, as in the aftermath the EU will be the most dominant kingdom over the earth. The United States as the time will likely be allied with them.
    Okay, that's a good point. It means that the person is in the position of leader of the Roman Empire before the 7 years start, as the little horn.

    Where you are wrong is calling the person the Antichrist, while he is in the little horn role.

    Where you are going wrong is calling the person the Antichrist all the time, showing that you don't understand the term of "the Christ". Nor the Antichrist.

    At the time of Jesus's return, the person is the beast - not the Antichrist. Being the Antichrist pertains to being the King of Israel, instead of and against Jesus the rightful King of Israel.

    Which in Matthew 23, Jesus said Jerusalem will not see him again until they say "blessed is He who comes in the name of the Lord.

    Back in John 12:
    12 On the next day much people that were come to the feast, when they heard that Jesus was coming to Jerusalem, 13 Took branches of palm trees, and went forth to meet him, and cried, Hosanna: Blessed is the King of Israel that cometh in the name of the Lord.

    Jesus is the rightful King of Israel - the Antichrist will be the another (John 5:43) that comes in his own name. i.e. someone that God did not send to be their king.

    Being the beast is completely different. Being the beast is being the 8th Caesar family king of the Roman Empire.


    What you should be saying to me is.... "Okay, good point". And change how you are using the term "the Antichrist". It only applies to when the person is the non-chosen by God, King of Israel.
     
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  18. nolidad

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    Well Daniel 7 is plucked up which signifies violence
    subdue is to bring low or humble. This fits well with the Antichrist in Rev. 6:

    Revelation 6 King James Version (KJV)
    6 And I saw when the Lamb opened one of the seals, and I heard, as it were the noise of thunder, one of the four beasts saying, Come and see.

    2 And I saw, and behold a white horse: and he that sat on him had a bow; and a crown was given unto him: and he went forth conquering, and to conquer.

    We have him plucking up three kings and we see in revelation the antichrist going to war. Why should we make a different war?

    Well the fourth kingdom has to conquer the whole earth!

    Dan 7:
    23 Thus he said, The fourth beast shall be the fourth kingdom upon earth, which shall be diverse from all kingdoms, and shall devour the whole earth, and shall tread it down, and break it in pieces.

    24 And the ten horns out of this kingdom are ten kings that shall arise: and another shall rise after them; and he shall be diverse from the first, and he shall subdue three kings

    He is who he is! He is satans physical son- and thus the second part of the counterfeit trinity of teh dragon, the beast and the false prophet.

    Where do you get this concept that teh antichrist will for a time be the king of Israel????

    He signs a covenant with Israel that starts Daniels 70th week but that is a ruler signing a treaty with the leadership of Israel. He conquers Israel after rising from the dead and Israel flees his call for genocide.

    Christ is simply greek "christos" which corresponds to the Hebrew Meschiach! It means anointed one or savior.

    antochrist means against Christ (antichristos) and the antichrist is against Christ at all times!

    Your error is that you have taken John 5:43 out of its context and place it in another. Jesus is speaking of the present and near future to the Pharisees and not taking one phrase in his dialogue and speaking of the distant future and going from speaking to eh pharisees directly and in this one verse speaking generically.
    That is horrendous grammar for the God who created grammar!

    the anitchirst is everything teh bible speaks of him.

    The king of fierce countenance
    the seed of the serpent
    the beast out of the sea
    the antichrist
    the abomination who makes desolate
    the rider on the white horse.
    THE MAN OF SIN, THE SON OF PERDITION.
    The prince of the people that shall come
    THE LAWLESS ONE.
    THE BLOODY AND DECEITFUL MAN
    THE KING OF BABYLON.
    THE LITTLE HORN.
    THE WILFUL KING.

    These are the titles teh bible gives the antichrist. Just because he doesn't do everything all teh time- The bible calls him these- we should as well.




    Well as the antichrist is always the non chosen of God and there is o verses saying the antichrist will be king over Israel I cannot say good point. for now I disagree with this point. If you have a strong bible reference(s) to prove this, I am more than willing to read and learn.


     
  19. Douggg

    Douggg anytime rapture, non-dispensationalist, futurist

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    The best question you have asked in this discussion.

    The prefix Anti can mean "against" or "instead of" or both "against and instead of".

    About 8 years ago, I was watching this video, that it caught my attention of what the Jews are looking for regarding the messiah. At minute 0.57-1.02, the speaker, the head rabbi for Jews for Judaism at the time - said the messiah is the King of Israel.



    And at the time I was in a big argument about the messiah with the Jews at their site about the messiah, and Salvation. They informed me that their position is "Savior" means savior from physical destruction, not Savior as Christianity views it.

    Anyway the emphasis for them is the messiah is supposed to be the King of Israel.

    So I picked up on that, and the more I researched in the gospels about Jesus - it was apparent that him being that promised great King of Israel descended from David was a major factor.

    In John 12:12-15, as Jesus is riding into Jerusalem on the donkey, people were hailing him as the King of Israel - that comes in the name of the Lord.

    Shorty afterwards, after the Jewish leaders conspired to have him killed, and on the cross, with "King of the Jews" sign placed by Pilate - Jesus was mocked by the same Jewish leaders... as "Christ the King of Israel", Mark 15:32.

    Then I was reading where the woman at the well, in John 4:25, made the connection of the term Christ as equivalent to the Messiah.

    Okay, that is not all.

    I was reading in Deuteronomy that Moses made it a law that all of the future leaders of Israel, on the feast of tabernacles, were to give a big speech to the nation of Israel, confirming the Mt. Sinai covenant on a 7 years interval, Deuteronomy 31:9-13. (I have talked to the Jews about this, and they said yes it is still a requirement, and added the text says from the place of God's choosing, which they said is the temple mount).

    Added to that, some more information from the Jews on what they believe, is that the new covenant of Jeremiah 31:31, does not mean new, but a "renewal" of the existing Mt. Sinai covenant. Which confirming the Mt. Sinai covenant for seven years - the one we read about in Daniel 9:27 would be a perfect fit - the renewal of the Mt. Sinai covenant as the Jews expect.

    So when all those things are put together what the Jews expect of the messiah - the King of Israel - and in fact Jesus was the rightful King of Israel - called "Christ the King of Israel" even by them who opposed him - taking "Anti" placing it in front of "Christ" to get Antichrist, the Antichrist is someone who will be believed by the Jews to be the King of Israel.... "instead of and against" Jesus the rightful King of Israel.

    Wait, there's more, that ties into this King of Israel concept. We have a person called the false prophet in Revelation. There's appears to be more to it than the religious spokesman for when the person becomes the beast....

    What the Jews believe about the messiah - they believe that when the messiah comes, in order to become the King of Israel, he must be anointed by a known prophet.

    Who would that known prophet be? Well every passover, they set a dinner place for Elijah, in anticipation of his coming to prepare for the messianic age.

    Where they get that a known prophet has to anoint the person is the only three kings over united Israel were Saul and David, anointed by Samuel the prophet, and Solomon by Nathan the prophet.

    So in all likelyhood, the false prophet will claim to be Elijah. And in fact, in Revelation 13, he later calls fire down from heaven, like Elijah did in his episode against the prophets of Baal.
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    Okay it all adds up, the Antichrist to be anointed by the false prophet as the King of Israel.... but there is a big problem!

    The problem is this...

    Most of the prophecies regarding the person is as King of the fourth empire - the Roman Empire, not as the King of Israel. And he is the 7th (Revelation 17:10) king and then later the 8th king (Revelation 17:11, the beast).

    So that is where we have to start putting together the whole scenario... to satisfy him being the King of the Roman Empire and at one point the King of Israel (the Antichrist).

    The person starts out as the leader of the EU, 7th Caesar family King of the Roman Empire, as the little horn. He is not the Antichrist, King of Israel, yet.

    Then following Gog/Magog, is the prince who shall come, a transitional role, which he will be thought by the Jews as their messiah... because it will appear to them that he fits the messiah requirements (there's some more on that, but I need to keep this post short from too much information to digest).

    And is anointed the King of Israel by the false prophet. Which then as the leader of Israel, playing the part, confirms the Mt. Sinai covenant for 7 years, the big speech to the nation, as Moses required by in Deuteronomy 31:9-13.

    Goes good, for a while, as the Jews and the world are thinking Peace and Safety, early stages of the Messianic Era. When about 3 years into it, the person goes bad and thinks he has attained God-hood. Which ends his Antichrist, King of Israel, period, as the Jews are not going to tolerate that claim.

    As the revealed man of sin, another transitional role, but this time on his way to becoming the beast. He is killed, then brought back to life - as the beast, reverting back to his original power base the EU, as his kingdom (Revelation 17:17), the 8th Caesar family King of the Roman Empire.
     
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  20. Douggg

    Douggg anytime rapture, non-dispensationalist, futurist

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    the anitchirst "the arch villain of the end times" is everything teh bible speaks of him.
     
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