Who are the rightful occupier's of the holy Land?

[keras]

There is some discussion on other threads about the holy Land; all that area from the Nile to the Euphrates.
Some think that area has no significance now. Other say it is for the Jews only. Both these views are wrong, because God still keeps His eyes on it, Deuteronomy 11:11-12, and it is well prophesied that He will get rid of all the ungodly wicked people there and only the faithful peoples of God will live there. Jeremiah 12:14

The question of who will inhabit the holy Land in the period before the Return of Jesus, is made clear by the following Bible passages;

Daniel 7:25 He [the Anti-Christ] will wear down the holy ones of God. He will change the feasts and the religious laws. The Lord’s holy people will be delivered into his power for 3½ years. [Those people, who stay in Beulah: Isaiah 62:1-5, will experience the Tribulation. Daniel 11:32, Revelation 12:17]

Daniel 11:21-22....a despicable man, not recognized as a king, will come unexpectedly and seize the kingdom by intrigue. He will sweep all opposition before him and will kill a leader of the covenant people. [The leader of the One World Govt will conquer Beulah, inhabited by every faithful Christian, and will kill one of their leaders.]

Daniel 11:29-35 At the appointed time, he will again invade the South, but ships of Kittim will oppose him. As he retreats, he will vent his fury against the covenant people. He will reward those who forsake their covenant with God. Troops in his command will stop the regular offering and set up ‘the abomination that causes desolation’. With flattery, he will corrupt those who have violated the covenant, but the people who are faithful to their God, will be resolute and take action.

Wise leaders of the nation will guide the people, though for a time, they will be taken captive and killed. Some help will come, albeit; not entirely sincere. Those leaders may become victims, so that they may be refined and purified, ready for the end of the age. Daniel 12:3 The wise leaders, who have guided the people in the true path, will shine like stars, forever.

The Anti Christ invades some unidentified nations in Southern regions, but ships of Kittim [Cyprus – in the Mediterranean, but this is a metaphor for the Western nations] will stop him. He will then occupy the Holy Land, taking control and causing many of God’s people to obey him. Those who hold firm to their Covenant with God will be persecuted and some killed. This is in order to refine and purify them, ready for the Return of Jesus; 1260 days later.


Zechariah 14:1-2 A Day is coming for the Lord to act and the plunder taken from you will be shared out while you stand by. I shall gather all the nations to make war on Jerusalem, the city will be taken, the houses ransacked and the women raped. Half of the people will go into exile, but the rest will remain there. Daniel 9:27 &11:31-32

Verses 1 & 2 must refer to the midpoint of the 70th week. [A 7 year period]
Commencing the Great Tribulation of the 7 Trumpets and 7 Bowls. Then: from verse 3, the description is of the Return of Jesus.


Revelation 13:5-10 The Beast, [Anti-Christ] was given permission to continue for 42 months. [3½ years] He blasphemed against God and waged war on God’s people and defeated them, he was given authority over the whole earth. You have ears, so hear!

Those who are destined for prison, will be imprisoned, those to be killed will be killed. This calls for the endurance and faithfulness of God’s people.

Revelation 12:13-14 The dragon [Satan: the Beast] is thrown down to earth. He pursues the Woman, [Israelites, Overcomers; the followers of Jesus] who gave birth to the male child. [Jesus] But she is given the wings of the mighty eagle, so that she could fly to a place in the wilderness, where she is looked after for 3½ years.
Ref. REB, NIV. Verses abridged.


In Zechariah 14:2 it says that half of the population will go into exile, this obviously is the Woman: faithful Christian Israelites, referred to in Revelation 12:6-17, where they will be kept safe until the Return.
Then, in Matthew 24:31 and 1 Thessalonians 4:17 – they will be gathered back into the Land, along with those Gentiles who have refused the mark of the Beast, to live with Christ for the next 1000 years.

The other half of the population who remain in the Land, will suffer under the yoke of the Anti-Christ. They are the Lord’s Christian people, who have to face testing and refinement. Daniel 11:32-33, Revelation 12:17 & 14:12, 2 Esdras 13:47-50, Revelation 7:14....they have passed through the great ordeal.... It is these people who will say to Jesus: “Blessed is He who comes in the Name of the Lord”.


So, who are those living in the Land of Israel before and during the Tribulation?

They are the Lord’s people, all the true believers, mainly the Christian descendants of Jacob; all 12 tribes of Israel, gathered, in order to fulfil God’s promises to the Patriarchs, to be His witnesses and to be His Light to the nations. Isaiah 43:8-14, John 15:27, Isaiah 49:3-8, Matthew 5:14-16
All of the Lord’s faithful Christian people will occupy all of the holy Land, from the Nile to the Euphrates, being the people that Gad always wanted there, but has never yet had.

It is quite evident, from Bible study, that the next prophesied event, the Sixth Seal, will cause a dramatic clearance of peoples from all the Middle East area. Jeremiah 10:18, Jeremiah 12:14, Zephaniah 1:1-18, Ezekiel 30:1-5, Amos 1 & Amos 2:1-5- note the punishment of Judah.


In Ezekiel 20:34-38, we see the gathering of all the 12 tribes of Israel, Jews and the lost tribes. The Lord will judge them and those who revolt and rebel will not enter the holy Land.

Then all His righteous people to emigrate there, as described in Isaiah 66:18b-21, Psalms 107, all faithful Christians, from every nation and language, to live there in peace and prosperity. Ezekiel 34:11-16, Isaiah 35:1-10, and Romans 9:24-26 says how the Christians become Sons of the Living God, in the very place that the ancient Israelites were rejected. The literal fulfilment of Isaiah 62:1-5 and Isaiah 66:7-14

They will rebuild the Temple and reinstitute the Law and the ordinances. Zechariah 6:15, Ezekiel 43:1-12, Isaiah 56:1-8

All the rest of the world will be under a One World Government, initially ruled by 10 leaders, but soon to be taken over by another strong leader. He will rule until the Return of Jesus, when he will be chained up for the 1000 years.

 

[timothyu]

Whomever God determines? But yes Jesus was sent to reunite the 12 tribes/nations and not just the Jews were to return to the Holy Land. But then again like in Jesus' days , the Jews are still looking for a world leader so maybe they have to fulfil their search in accepting the anti-Christ who of course will be worldly rather than the governance/Kingdom of God..

 

[Brightmoon]

Good question , the British opened up a can of worms when they threw people off land they’d owned for centuries to house others who needed a home. Now it’s more than a half century later and they’re both still fighting over it and the British are long gone

 

[Timtofly]

Nothing will be holy until the 7th Trumpet stops sounding.

 

[Albion]

This is a really tough question, especially because it seems always to involve world affairs and international rivalries outside of Israel/Palestine.

But it is interesting, as we try to sort through the rhetoric and get to a good answer, to note that the moral high ground is occupied by those who seek fairness and compensation, etc. for Native Americans (at least according to the media and academia), while the same people are aligned against the descendants of the first identifiable inhabitants of the area in the Middle East...and in favor of the descendants of those who took it for themselves by military action. So how do we assess such duplicity?

 

[Spiritual Jew]

Actually he said, Jesus was born as a human, but He existed before the foundation of the world.

So again Jesus was 100 percent human which is what his death was meant to show, so there is no reason to believe that he existed before birth

How do you interpret the following:

John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 The same was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. 4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men. 5 And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not 6 There was a man sent from God, whose name was John. 7 The same came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all men through him might believe. 8 He was not that Light, but was sent to bear witness of that Light.
9 That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world. 10 He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not. 11 He came unto his own, and his own received him not. 12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: 13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God. 14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth. 15 John bare witness of him, and cried, saying, This was he of whom I spake, He that cometh after me is preferred before me: for he was before me. 16 And of his fulness have all we received, and grace for grace. 17 For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.

 

[Albion]

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Of course there is. If he was only a human, and I assume that's what you mean when saying "100 percent," his death would mean next to nothing.

All sorts of good people have met violent ends, and although we remember some as heroes in some way, there'd be nothing special about Jesus' death unless he was more than what I think you are saying.

 

[timothyu]

there'd be nothing special about Jesus' death unless he was more than what I think you are saying.

It was all about the resurrection. The death summed up a life of putting the will of the Father ahead of His own. He did as He was told. A tough concept for any human.

 

[Albion]

It was all about the resurrection. The death summed up a life of putting the will of the Father ahead of His own. He did as He was told. A tough concept for any human.

Let's agree that it's about the Resurrection ((although that wasn't how the previous post was worded). How would that mean what it does if Jesus were believed to be totally and only human like the rest of us?

 

[timothyu]

How would that mean what it does if Jesus were believed to be totally and only human like the rest of us?

If that were the case it would be a case of pure rebellion against the world of man where the Kingdom of God actually found a man willing to wholeheartedly defend it's ways rather than the ways of man. It established the Kingdom as an actual alternative to be chosen. Jesus lead a counter-culture revolution that required only repentance as a weapon against the system.

 

[jeffweedaman]

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Jn 17
Jesus said
And now You, Father, glorify Me together with Yourself, with the glory which I had with You before the world existed.

 

[keras]

This is a really tough question, especially because it seems always to involve world affairs and international rivalries outside of Israel/Palestine.

But it is interesting, as we try to sort through the rhetoric and get to a good answer, to note that the moral high ground is occupied by those who seek fairness and compensation, etc. for Native Americans (at least according to the media and academia), while the same people are aligned against the descendants of the first identifiable inhabitants of the area in the Middle East...and in favor of the descendants of those who took it for themselves by military action. So how do we assess such duplicity?

What we do is wait for the Lord fix the situation.
The Bible prophets tell us many times how the Lord will remove all the ungodly people from His holy Land.
Wait for the Day! Zephaniah 3:8-10
Note: how His dispersed worshippers then, will come from America to bring offerings. As Isaiah 66:20 confirms.
[the river of Cush is the Atlantic Ocean. google- AEthiopian sea]

I view the off topic posts here, as a deliberate attempt to bury the idea that the holy Land is our destination and our heritage.
I suggest to those people whose beliefs are challenged, they should seriously consider what it is that God wants of them. Is it to just go and sit in heaven, or is it to do His work on earth?

 

[timothyu]

I view the off topic posts here, as a deliberate attempt to bury the idea that the holy Land is our destination and our heritage.

Actually the Holy Land id Jesus' destination and heritage,.

 

[keras]

Actually the Holy Land id Jesus' destination and heritage,.

And we Christians as His followers, will live there.
We are there when the AC comes to power, as I proved in the OP.

 

[timothyu]

We are there when the AC comes to power, as I proved in the OP.

Has not the spirit of anti-Christ which is anti-Kingdom of God, been around since the Garden and called the prince of this world?

 

[Gregory Thompson]

Who are the rightful occupier's of the holy Land?

It's dirt, soaked in blood of the generations, marinated in the sulphur of warfare of millennia.

May those who occupy it, reap their rightful reward.

 

[keras]

Has not the spirit of anti-Christ which is anti-Kingdom of God, been around since the Garden and called the prince of this world?

Yes, but for now he is under restraint.
That restraint will be lifted, 2 Thessalonians 2:7-8....then he will be revealed, as is prophesied in Revelation 13:5-8

May those who occupy it, reap their rightful reward.

They sure will! Zechariah 2:4-5, +

 

[timothyu]

Yes, but for now he is under restraint.

Really? Turn on the news. If it is in restraint then it's minions man are sure doing a good job of carrying on with the work of the god of self interest.

 

[FreeinChrist]

ADVISOR HAT

This thread had a small clean up because of some unorthodox posts by one member. ​

 

[BABerean2]

The question of who will inhabit the holy Land in the period before the Return of Jesus, is made clear by the following Bible passages;

Daniel 7:25 He [the Anti-Christ] will wear down the holy ones of God. He will change the feasts and the religious laws. The Lord’s holy people will be delivered into his power for 3½ years.

Very few modern Christians understand the verse below, and its relationship to the Book of Daniel.


John 10:22

(ESV) At that time the Feast of Dedication took place at Jerusalem. It was winter,

(ESV+) At that time the Feast of Dedication took place at Jerusalem. It was winter,

(Geneva) And it was at Hierusalem the feast of the Dedication, and it was winter.

(GW) The Festival of the Dedication of the Temple took place in Jerusalem during the winter.

(KJV) And it was at Jerusalem the feast of the dedication, and it was winter.

(KJV+) AndG1161 it wasG1096 atG1722 JerusalemG2414 theG3588 feast of the dedication,G1456 andG2532 it wasG2258 winter.G5494

(NKJV) Now it was the Feast of Dedication in Jerusalem, and it was winter.

(YLT) And the dedication in Jerusalem came, and it was winter,

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26. Antiochus Epiphanes and the Maccabees (r) - YouTube


From "Antiquities of the Jews" by Josephus, Book 12, chapter 7

"6. When therefore the generals of Antiochus's armies had been beaten so often, Judas assembled the people together, and told them, that after these many victories which God had given them, they ought to go up to Jerusalem, and purify the temple, and offer the appointed sacrifices. But as soon as he, with the whole multitude, was come to Jerusalem, and found the temple deserted, and its gates burnt down, and plants growing in the temple of their own accord, on account of its desertion, he and those that were with him began to lament, and were quite confounded at the sight of the temple; so he chose out some of his soldiers, and gave them order to fight against those guards that were in the citadel, until he should have purified the temple. When therefore he had carefully purged it, and had brought in new vessels, the candlestick, the table [of shew-bread], and the altar [of incense], which were made of gold, he hung up the veils at the gates, and added doors to them. He also took down the altar [of burnt-offering], and built a new one of stones that he gathered together, and not of such as were hewn with iron tools. So on the five and twentieth day of the month Casleu, which the Macedonians call Apeliens, they lighted the lamps that were on the candlestick, and offered incense upon the altar [of incense], and laid the loaves upon the table [of shew-bread], and offered burnt-offerings upon the new altar [of burnt-offering]. Now it so fell out, that these things were done on the very same day on which their Divine worship had fallen off, and was reduced to a profane and common use, after three years' time; for so it was, that the temple was made desolate by Antiochus, and so continued for three years. This desolation happened to the temple in the hundred forty and fifth year, on the twenty-fifth day of the month Apeliens, and on the hundred fifty and third olympiad: but it was dedicated anew, on the same day, the twenty-fifth of the month Apeliens, on the hundred and forty-eighth year, and on the hundred and fifty-fourth olympiad. And this desolation came to pass according to the prophecy of Daniel, which was given four hundred and eight years before; for he declared that the Macedonians would dissolve that worship [for some time].

7. Now Judas celebrated the festival of the restoration of the sacrifices of the temple for eight days, and omitted no sort of pleasures thereon; but he feasted them upon very rich and splendid sacrifices; and he honored God, and delighted them by hymns and psalms. Nay, they were so very glad at the revival of their customs, when, after a long time of intermission, they unexpectedly had regained the freedom of their worship, that they made it a law for their posterity, that they should keep a festival, on account of the restoration of their temple worship, for eight days. And from that time to this we celebrate this festival, and call it Lights. I suppose the reason was, because this liberty beyond our hopes appeared to us; and that thence was the name given to that festival. Judas also rebuilt the walls round about the city, and reared towers of great height against the incursions of enemies, and set guards therein. He also fortified the city Bethsura, that it might serve as a citadel against any distresses that might come from our enemies. "


Josephus confirms above the understanding of the Jews of his time, who knew that Daniel had predicted the events of 167 BC, by Antiochus Epiphanes.
Josephus confirms it as a historical fact.

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