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Who applied the Church to Israel..chapter & verse please. Part 3.

Discussion in 'Dispensationalism' started by Dave Taylor, Nov 21, 2005.

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  1. eph3Nine

    eph3Nine Mid Acts, Pauline, Dispy to the max!

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    JWhalen so aptly said:

    Couldn't have said it better myself!! Excellent.:thumbsup: :amen:

    AND nobody says it better than GOD!!!!:clap: ^_^
     
  2. Ebb

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    But neither of you answered the questions.
     
  3. eph3Nine

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    Uh Ebb....posts nineteen and twenty went into GREAT detail answering those questions. Are you here to READ, or to argue?
     
  4. Ebb

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    reposted
     
  5. Ebb

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    I didn't get any answers, just that Revelation is not for us, or something to that effect.

    Who are the 7 churches in Revelation?
    Who are the 24 elders?
    Who is the great multitude?

    Are you saying that the "mystery church" is not mentioned at all in Revelation?
     
  6. Ebb

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    So, you don't consider yourselves part of this "great multitude"? You don't plan on singing the "Hallelujah Chorus"?
    After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands; 10And cried with a loud voice, saying, Salvation to our God which sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb. 11And all the angels stood round about the throne, and about the elders and the four beasts, and fell before the throne on their faces, and worshipped God, 12Saying, Amen: Blessing, and glory, and wisdom, and thanksgiving, and honour, and power, and might, be unto our God for ever and ever. Amen. 13And one of the elders answered, saying unto me, What are these which are arrayed in white robes? and whence came they? 14And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb. Revelation 7:9-14

    And I heard as it were the voice of a great multitude, and as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of mighty thunderings, saying, Alleluia: for the Lord God omnipotent reigneth. Revelation 19:6

     
  7. eph3Nine

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    Im not saying it...God has said it. :D

    The Mystery church ...the Church, which IS His Body has been LONG GONE and taken UP to meet her Lord in the AIR.

    Since you aren't taking care to actually READ what the answers to your questions ARE...then don't expect us to take the time to do YOUR research FOR you anymore.

    All those mentioned in Revelation have to do with Israel ...NOT with we the Body of Christ.

    Have a nice day.:sigh:
     
  8. Ebb

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    If the "mystery church" is not in Revelation at all, then who are these groups?

    Who are the 7 churches?
    Who are the 24 elders?
    Who is the great multitude?
    Who are the 144,000?
     
  9. eph3Nine

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    Scripture answers these questions if you rightly divide.

    Im not doing your homework FOR YOU...however, I will give you ONE answer for a teaser...scripture tells us that the 144,000 are JEWS. Raised up by God to preach the KINGDOM MESSAGE to the KINGDOM PEOPLE.

    Geeesh....Please read the things we post...Im tired of repeating myself to you.
     
  10. Ebb

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    I'm just trying to find out if these are the beliefs of Mid-Acts dispensationalism, or is this just "freelance" coming from you.

    Not meaning to be offensive, but so far you have made some pretty incredible statements, and it's hard to believe any educated Christian can make them. Can you provide links with what you are saying from "more qualified, better-educated" expositors from the Mid-Acts camp?
     
  11. eph3Nine

    eph3Nine Mid Acts, Pauline, Dispy to the max!

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    Excellent information written by JWhalen:


    PLEASE read it..."faith comes by HEARING (not arguing what has already been stated twice) and Hearing by the Word of God"

    Thank you
     
  12. JMWHALEN

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    (underline/bold is my emphasis)

    "and it's hard to believe any educated Christian can make them. Can you provide links with what you are saying from "more qualified, better-educated" expositors from the Mid-Acts camp?"
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    "For it is written, I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and will bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent. Where is the wise? where is the scribe? where is the disputer of this world? hath not God made foolish the wisdom of this world?...how that not many wise men after the flesh, not many mighty, not many noble, are called: But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise...." 1 Cor. 1:19,20,26,27

    "And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise..." Genesis 3:6

    "He taketh the wise in their own craftiness..." Job 5:13

    "For the wisdom of this world is foolishness with God. For it is written, He taketh the wise in their own craftiness. And again, The Lord knoweth the thoughts of the wise, that they are vain." 1 Cor. 3:19,20

    "Woe unto them that are wise in their own eyes, and prudent in their own sight!" Isaiah 5:21


    "And the book is delivered to him that is not learned, saying, Read this, I pray thee: and he saith, I am not learned. Isaiah 29:12


    "Now when they saw the boldness of Peter and John, and perceived that they were unlearned and ignorant men, they marvelled; and they took knowledge of them, that they had been with Jesus." Acts 4:13


    "The LORD will cut off the man that doeth this, the master and the scholar, out of the tabernacles of Jacob, and him that offereth an offering unto the LORD of hosts." Malachi 2:12

    "And the LORD opened the mouth of the ass.....And the ass said unto Balaam..." Numbers 22:28,30,

    ".....that they may have glory of men...... that they may be seen of men..." Matthew 6:2,5

    "...thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes." Matthew 11:25/Luke 10:21

    "Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,..." Romans 1:22

    In Christ,
    John M. Whalen
     
  13. Dispy

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    John:
    How can you expect "learned men," such as Ebb, to understand what you have just posted? He is looking to other "learned men" to guide him. It appears that they are unable to see the simplicity of the GOSPEL. It just goes right over their heads.

    God Bless.
    Live Well, Laugh Often, and Love the Lord!
     
  14. Ebb

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    They have both stated that the Church is not in Revelation at all, not even the 7 churches in Revelation 2-3.....I was just trying to see if this is an "official" Mid-Acts belief, or if it's just a "freelance" one of the posters here.

    I did check the "Berean Bible Society" web site (Mid-Acts) to see if this was their view as well....but could not find a direct statement on this. I did notice that the web site does not include any commentary on the book of Revelation.

    I'm just trying to find out when the break from classical dispensationalism occurred regarding the Church not being in Revelation at all.
     
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    Revelation 1:4 "John to the seven churches WHICH ARE IN ASIA;..."

    The Chruch, the Body of Christ, is universal, not in any particular part of the world.

    These 7 churches, I believe, were started by the Jews that were dispersed during the presecution, prior to the raising up of Saul/Paul (he was the leader of the persecutors). They settled primarily well North of Jerusalem, in the region of modern day Trukey.


    Rev.1:20 The mystery of the seven stars which thou sawest in my right hand, and the seven golden candle sticks. The seven stars are the ageels of the seven churches: and the seven candle sticks which thou sawest are the seven churches."

    "Stars/golden candle sticks/angles" are NEVER associated with the Chruch, the body of Christ. They ALWAYS have reference to Israel.

    The Chruch, the Body of Christ will have been raptured to heaven prior to the resumption of the Tribulation. Therefore, there is no need for John to write to them. NO, I do not find the Chruch, the Body of Christ, in the entire book of the Revelation.

    Didn't John, agree with Paul, that he would stay with the circumcision, in Galatians 2:9?

    God Bless.
    Live Well, Laugh Often and Love the Lord!
     
  16. Markea

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    Ebb,

    Isn't it ironic that these ones who always claim that they 'rightly divide' the word of God, fail to rightly divide the word of God as it is divided already in the Revelation..? ?

    The Revelation of Jesus Christ divides itself into things which John hast seen (past), things which are (present), and things which shall be hereafter (future).

    To these folks.. it all pertains to things which shall be hereafter..

    Go figure.. they always claim to rightly divide, and yet when the book divides itself.. they fail to see it.. I guess it goes right under their heads..
     
  17. GLJCA

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    Could you explain to us what Jesus is the mediator of? Isn't it the New Covenant? If so, how is He recognized as a mediator in this dispensation, when you believe that the New Covenant is not in effect?

    Is Jesus your High Priest? He was also the High Priest of the people to whom the book of Hebrews was written, who you say are not part of the body of Christ.

    GLJCA
     
  18. eph3Nine

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    Dispy Wrote:
    AAAAAmen. Anyone who can READ can see these things. The problem here is that folks wish to hang onto PRECONCEIVED ideas taught to them in their denominations or church traditions...both of which are highly frowned upon by the God we serve. He has given instructions to we the Body of Christ, and they arent found in ISRAELS prophetic books.

    Great post, John.
     
  19. Markea

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    All that this proves is that a person can not find what is right there in front of them..

    To the mid-Acts folks.. the things which are in the Revelation become the things which are not.. ? ?

    And this from the ones who always rightly divide..

    Yikes..
     
  20. eph3Nine

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    Excuse me????? The claims he makes are from Gods Word...it dont get no better than that, my friend. And I , for one, find your comment OFFENSIVE to the max. Geeeesh:mad:
     
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