While Joe goes to the beach for a long weekend

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Reports: As Biden Heads to the Beach, Taliban Decapitating Children and Hunting Down US Collaborators

His Afghanistan fiasco escalates and the Taliban are still blocking flights from leaving also.
President Biden is taking a long weekend at the beach, which must be nice for him. But in Afghanistan, the ramifications of his disastrously executed US withdrawal remain a terrifying daily reality for the tens of thousands of people he promised then failed to evacuate.

Definitely, there will be slaughter." Meanwhile, remember the standoff at Mazar-i-Sharif airstrip, where the Taliban was refusing to allow evacuation flights (including for Americans) to take off? It's still unresolved.


Hope he got a good tan.
 
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It is September 23, 2021

Day 23 of Americans still being held against their will in Afghanistan.

34 days after Joe said we would get every American who wanted to get out even if it meant not leaving on schedule
What Americans are "still being held against their will in Afghanistan"???
 
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What Americans are "still being held against their will in Afghanistan"???

Well established - in writing and video - if your sources are not talking about them, you need new sources.

It seems, (and I could be mistaken), that the media is completely ignoring it hoping people would forget - sort of out of sight, out of mind.

The Biden Administration is not sharing information regarding it, even with Congressmen who are inquiring.

Republicans press Biden for info on Americans, allies stranded in Afghanistan

Despite the efforts to evacuate all Americans from the country, several hundred Americans remain in the embattled country following the withdrawal, according to the Pentagon.

On Wednesday, a senior State Department official reportedly told NBC News that the “majority” of Afghans who worked with the US government throughout the war in Afghanistan didn’t make it out.

Thousands of citizens of other Western countries and their Afghan allies also remain stranded.

Then there's the matter of what goes unsaid by the White House. When Kabul fell to the Taliban, they closed off the city to the rest of the country, meaning any American outside is likely unaccounted for by the State Department. Furthermore, the official figure fails to include American green card holders or permanent residents, SIVs, and our other allies who risked their lives to work with us.

If there are even just 250 Americans remaining, that would indeed be a national disgrace. But should our global allies ascertain a different figure, the real number could prove a scandal of international proportions.​
 
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Since September 1, 2021 A radio talk show host has done more to rescue people in Afghanistan than Joe who has operational control of the greatest fighting force on earth.

Glenn Beck’s Rescue Mission For Americans In Afghanistan Is Grounded By Taliban.

The flights were grounded after negotiations between the State Department and the Taliban broke down, officials for two of the NGO’s involved told Newsweek. One official said the Taliban could be attempting to "shake down" the airline or State Department for money in exchange for takeoff clearance.
How weak does that make America look? They are holding hostages on planes until we pay a ransom.

But I think Joe does indeed have a better tan.
 
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Hope he got a good tan.

like this one?

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Since September 1, 2021 A radio talk show host has done more to rescue people in Afghanistan than Joe who has operational control of the greatest fighting force on earth.

Glenn Beck’s Rescue Mission For Americans In Afghanistan Is Grounded By Taliban.

The flights were grounded after negotiations between the State Department and the Taliban broke down, officials for two of the NGO’s involved told Newsweek. One official said the Taliban could be attempting to "shake down" the airline or State Department for money in exchange for takeoff clearance.
How weak does that make America look? They are holding hostages on planes until we pay a ransom.

But I think Joe does indeed have a better tan.
pssst. If those planes take off without authorization, what do YOU think would stop the Taliban from shooting the planes down? Just out of curiousity?
 
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How weak does that make America look? They are holding hostages on planes until we pay a ransom.
Yep. But notice how little coverage anything happening with the captives in Afghanistan is getting in the media these days.

The Iran hostage crisis was big news. The various captive-takings at sea were well-covered. But the media today, by and large, have decided that they can get away with simply imposing a blackout on whatever calamities would be traced to Biden and the people won't notice it. Alas, they are often correct about that.
 
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First you say:
Well established - in writing and video - if your sources are not talking about them, you need new sources.

Then you say:
It seems, (and I could be mistaken), that the media is completely ignoring it hoping people would forget - sort of out of sight, out of mind.
So which is it? The media has well established it in writing and video or the media is completely ignoring it?

Not sure which oneyou want me to believe or even if you know which one you yourself believe - the direct contradiction is very confusing.

Although I tend to think you believe the media because you go on in this post to quote the media, which makes it weird that you say the media is "completely ignoring it" and then post links to the media NOT ignoring it at all.

I truly and honestly don't know how to interpret your post or where you stand on it.

The Biden Administration is not sharing information regarding it, even with Congressmen who are inquiring.

Republicans press Biden for info on Americans, allies stranded in Afghanistan

Despite the efforts to evacuate all Americans from the country, several hundred Americans remain in the embattled country following the withdrawal, according to the Pentagon.​
What I'm seeing here is that the Pentagon is speculating - they are admitting that most of the ones in Afghanistan didn't want to leave and there are a handful they are not sure about so they're assuming they want to leave but haven't been able to, probably to err on the side of caution for the sake of those people. Does not sound like a real problem to me.

On Wednesday, a senior State Department official reportedly told NBC News that the “majority” of Afghans who worked with the US government throughout the war in Afghanistan didn’t make it out.

Thousands of citizens of other Western countries and their Afghan allies also remain stranded.
Afghans are not American citizens so that is irrelevant to this thread. That belongs in a thread about illegal aliens coming through open borders. And other Western countries are responsible for their own - the article talks about UK and Germany handling their own. Are you saying it's Biden's job to spend our tax money and soldiers' lives doing the work for other Western countries in place of those countries' own militaries? Not sure what your point is.

Then there's the matter of what goes unsaid by the White House. When Kabul fell to the Taliban, they closed off the city to the rest of the country, meaning any American outside is likely unaccounted for by the State Department. Furthermore, the official figure fails to include American green card holders or permanent residents, SIVs, and our other allies who risked their lives to work with us.
Re Americans who are unaccounted for - if they are unaccounted for how do we know they are stuck in Afghanistan? We don't - we can't - they are unaccounted for. As for Green card holders, etc. - same thing.

Non-citizens who are not green card holders or permanent residents are illegals, but we don't know about them anyway. If they were to come over they'd be doing so illegally. I don't believe people want that, otherwise we'd be flying people in from Guatemala instead of making them risk life and limb crossing deserts and rivers just to be detained in detention facilities. Obviously the American people do not want such people entering the nation, much less being flown in with taxpayer money.

If there are even just 250 Americans remaining, that would indeed be a national disgrace. But should our global allies ascertain a different figure, the real number could prove a scandal of international proportions.
"IF"... but we don't know how many, all we have is speculation and guessing. There could be zero. In fact, my speculation is that there are zero American citizens stuck in Afghanistan. My speculation is that anyon American citizen still in Afghanistan is there by chooice, just like the majority of the ones who have confirmed that they are there by choice.

So in the end I am seeing a lot of speculation about things for which you want to blame Biden. I'm all for blaming Biden - he is a conservative who does a lot of things wrong because he goes by his conservative principles - but I don't see any evidence for your accusations and blame.
 
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So which is it? The media has well established it in writing and video or the media is completely ignoring it?

It depends on which you are watching - See where I qualified it with "if your sources are not talking about them, you need new sources."

You are welcome
 
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So in the end I am seeing a lot of speculation about things for which you want to blame Biden. I'm all for blaming Biden - he is a conservative who does a lot of things wrong because he goes by his conservative principles - but I don't see any evidence for your accusations and blame.

That is probably because your news sources are not reporting it. Back to what I originally stated.

Notice when the Administration was pressed for information, either they did not have it, or did not want to share it.
 
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US lawmakers 'walk out' of Biden administration's briefing on Afghanistan: Report

Multiple Republican and Democratic lawmakers in the United States, furiously 'walked out' of a classified briefing on Afghanistan, with members of the US President Joe Biden administration on Wednesday morning (local time) after their questions went unanswered, reported CNN citing sources. The US lawmakers were reportedly left frustrated after US State Department, Pentagon, Department of Homeland security and Office of the Director of National Security officials remained unsuccessful in answering their basic questions on Afghanistan during the briefing for the members of the House Foreign Affairs Committee on September 22 (local time).

Reportedly, the officials of the US State Department have said privately and publicly that around 100 Americans are still in Afghanistan and are wishing to get out, a month after the Taliban seized control of the country. Some lawmakers even told CNN that they did not understand that accounting considering that the department has said they evacuated over 75 Americans from the South Asian country through its evacuation mission in the last few weeks.

September 23, 2021
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Yep. But notice how little coverage anything happening with the captives in Afghanistan is getting in the media these days.

The Iran hostage crisis was big news. The various captive-takings at sea were well-covered. But the media today, by and large, have decided that they can get away with simply imposing a blackout on whatever calamities would be traced to Biden and the people won't notice it. Alas, they are often correct about that.

Yup - 444 Days held hostage. These citizens are on day 23 and counting.
 
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pssst. If those planes take off without authorization, what do YOU think would stop the Taliban from shooting the planes down? Just out of curiousity?

Nothing. That's what terrorists do to hostages who try to escape.
 
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Nothing. That's what terrorists do to hostages who try to escape.
Yes so how do you expect ANYONE to get those thousands of Americans out now without reinvading or paying off the Taliban?


In your mind, how can this problem be solved?
 
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Yes so how do you expect ANYONE to get those thousands of Americans out now without reinvading or paying off the Taliban?


In your mind, how can this problem be solved?

Send in enough troops and firepower to kill enough Taliban and ISIS to get their attention, then make an escape route to enable the Americans to get to where they need to for evacuation.
Yes, that sounds like "reinvading", but if that's what it takes....
We shouldn't have abandoned Americans there. biden said he wouldn't, but too many people took him at his word.
 
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Send in enough troops and firepower to kill enough Taliban and ISIS to get their attention, then make an escape route to enable the Americans to get to where they need to for evacuation.
Yes, that sounds like "reinvading", but if that's what it takes....
We shouldn't have abandoned Americans there. biden said he wouldn't, but too many people took him at his word.
So your solution is to start this whole cycle over again....

Hard pass.
 
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So your solution is to start this whole cycle over again....

Hard pass.

Rescuing 100 hostages wouldn't take 20 years.
How long did it take to rescue the American 52 hostages in Iran? 444 days. And we now have far more sophisticated equipment to do the job.

Or we could simply go ahead and abandon them. Whatever biden's handlers decide at the moment. It not as if we're expected to actually believe what we're told.
 
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