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Which Protestant Church / Group is the most Catholic?

Discussion in 'General Theology' started by HatGuy, Mar 24, 2021.

  1. Soloworld

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    Are not all of them based on protesting something to create something new, from the catholics protesting the early church and it has continued right up to today protesting the catholic church, or each other. So few have actually stayed following Jesus as the head and the ministry we were entrusted with and those He gave us to help equip us like apostle, prophets, pastors evangelist and teachers. Where are they today? Oh yeah God's authority and those he has placed in the church have been protested right out.
    God said something about this in the past about those who protested God's ministry through Moses and they received their judgement and maybe soon we will see how God will deal with those who have protested God's ministry through Jesus Christ. I made a video that speaks of both I'll attach it.
     
  2. chad kincham

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    While you might not agree with the basis for that authority, it seems strange that you say it is non existent. The fact that you need to protest against it seems to say that you think it exists.
     
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  4. Philip_B

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    There is no question that the Pope has an authority. The question is to the nature of that authority in relation to others, whether that authority is of temporal or purely spiritual, the relationship of that authority to the authority of the Scriptures and the General Councils of the Church. There are some real and tangible questions that will not be addressed by suggesting that it is completely bogus.
     
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  5. klutedavid

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    I was reading a forum which had a topic much the same as your. Someone offered this.
     
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  6. Tigger45

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    ^This^ brings to mind once while traveling through southern Cali on a Sunday morning my wife and I stopped into a high church ACNA parish. Later when talking about the service she had thought all along it had been a RC Mass.
     
  7. chad kincham

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    Peter was never pope in the RC - thus all claim of apostolic authority passed down via succession from Peter, is false.

    We find in scripture that Peter is the apostle to the Jews, Paul is apostle to the gentiles.

    Thus Peter was never part of the gentile RC, which is why Paul instructs the RC in the book of Romans, instead of Peter.

    Shalom.
     
  8. chad kincham

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    Why wouldn’t I come out against lies and the power grab of the RC in usurping authority it never had?
     
  9. HatGuy

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    Can we please stay on topic.

    This is not an anti RCC thread. It might discuss what makes one Catholic, and one is welcome to disagree of course, but there are a ton of other threads where you can debate the validity of the RCC and its authority.
     
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  10. Religiot

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    I don't regard protestants to catholicism as noncatholics, they are catholic, by their own definition.
     
  11. Valletta

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    Peter was the ONLY Apostle to receive the keys to the kingdom (authority) from Jesus.
     
  12. chad kincham

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    The other apostles were given identical powers of binding and loosing by Jesus.

    When the apostles were arguing who was greatest among them,Jesus said none of them will be above the others, which is why Peter called himself a FELLOW ELDER.

    Not to mention the RC is a gentile church, and Peter was the apostle to the Jews, Paul the apostle to the gentiles, which is why Paul wrote the book of Romans, not Peter.

    Peter is found in scripture at the Jewish church at Jerusalem. Three years after his conversion, Paul went to Jerusalem to see Peter for 15 days.

    Peter was not in Rome being pope. Ever.
     
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  14. Valletta

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    Matthew 16:17-19: And Jesus answered him, “Blessed are you, Simon Bar-Jona! For flesh and blood has not revealed this to you, but my Father who is in heaven. And I tell you, you are Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church, and the powers of death shall not prevail against it. I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven, and whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.”
    According to Matthew, only Peter was given the keys. This position is one of a servant. "Catholic" means "universal," not Gentile or Jew. Finally, I have seen the site where Peter was buried, levels down under St. Peter's Basilica in Vatican City. You can look up and see the altar area far above. His grave was found after early Christian writing discovered during excavation pointed the way. Only the feet bones were missing, as if someone chopped down a body hanging upside down. Vatican City is across the Tiber river just beyond the old walls of Rome.
     
  15. chad kincham

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    The revised history of the RCC, is that Jesus gave Peter the preeminence over all the apostles, that Jesus made Peter the head of the church and built the church on him, that Peter was the first pope, and that every subsequent pope holds the seat of Peter, via apostolic succession.


    This is false, from A to Z - and all that’s needed to disprove the above claims, is the Bible.


    When the apostles argued who was the greatest among them, Jesus told the apostles that none of them would be above the others - Peter was not given preeminence:


    Mat 20:25 But Jesus called them unto him,and said, Ye know that the princes of the Gentiles exercise dominion over them, and they that are great exercise authority upon them.

    Mat 20:26 But it shall not be so among you: but whosoever will be great among you, let him be your minister;

    Mat 20:27 And whosoever will be chief among you, let him be your servant:


    And Peter didn’t think he was anything but a fellow elder:


    1Pe 5:1 The elders which are among you I exhort, who am ALSO an elder, and a witness of the sufferings of Christ, and also a partaker of the glory that shall be revealed:


    Jesus did not tell Peter that the church would be built on him:


    Mat 16:18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.


    Jesus spoke of two different rocks: Peter is Petros in the Greek - small rock - and the rock the church is built on is Petra - bedrock.


    In the Greek Jesus said: thou art PETROS, and upon this PETRA I will build my church.


    The language God chose for the New Testament to be written in, explicitly states there are two different rocks there.


    The church isn’t built on any individual apostle or prophet:


    Eph 2:20 And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone;


    Built on the foundation of apostles, PLURAL, and prophets, PLURAL - not on Peter alone.


    In Matthew 16:19 Jesus gives Peter keys (authority) and the power to bind and loose - but 2 chapters later, when He met the other apostles, Jesus gives the same power of binding and loosing to them, too, in Matthew 18:18 - so Peter has no special authority beyond what the 12 shared.


    Peter was not a Bishop, or Pope in the Roman church - ever.


    Linus was the first bishop/pope of the Roman church, according to the Orthodox Church.


    Peter, the apostle to the Jews, is found in the NT in the Jerusalem church, the Jewish Christian church - not in the gentile Roman church.


    Scripture says Paul is the apostle to the gentiles, Peter to the Jews (to the circumcision), so Peter would not be the head of a gentile Roman sect - and wasn’t.


    Gal 2:7 But contrariwise, when they saw that the gospel of the uncircumcision was committed unto me, as the gospelof the circumcision wasunto Peter;

    Gal 2:8 (For he that wrought effectually in Peter to the apostleship of the circumcision, the same was mighty in me toward the Gentiles.


    That’s why Paul, the apostle to the gentiles, wrote to the Roman church, and was instructing it in his epistle, instead of Peter.


    Paul calls those in the Roman church, gentiles - in case someone wants to claim that the Roman church isn’t a gentile church.


    Romans 1:13 Now I would not have you ignorant, brethren, that oftentimes I purposed to come unto you, (but was let hitherto,) that I might have some fruit among you also, even as among OTHER Gentiles.



    And when Paul visited Peter 3 years after his conversion on Damascus road, he had to go to Jerusalem, where Peter and the Jewish Christian church was:


    Gal 1:18 Then after three years I went up to Jerusalem to see Peter, and abode with him fifteen days.


    Peter was not in Rome being a pope.
     
  16. Valletta

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    The Romans were pagans. Peter was the pope of the Catholic Church and not any official of the Roman church. As I said Jesus gave the keys of the kingdom to Peter and not to any of the other Apostles. Jesus said He would build His Church upon Peter. Your beef seems to be with Jesus. Official decisions were to be decided, after consultation with the other Apostles, by Peter. For example, Peter made the decision that Baptism would replace circumcision.
     
  17. Basil the Great

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    I know that that are not Protestant, but felt the need to mention them as a close alternative to Catholicism.
     
  18. chad kincham

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    Wrong. I proved from scripture those claims are false.
     
  19. Albion

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    They aren't all false, but they are embellished to the advantage of the RCC. For instance, Christ did say that he would build his church upon Peter (and maybe other Apostles. We don't know which meaning is intended here).

    However, that's to build the church, not to found it or rule over it.

    No one should have any problem with the idea that Christ was counting on Peter to spread the faith. He commissioned all the Apostles to do that.

    But in Peter's case, we also have the miraculous incident of him preaching on Pentecost Sunday to the people who had come from all around...and they all heard Peter in their own languages! This led to thousands being converted, which is the first really significant spreading of the faith to the wider world. Or building it (up). But of course, that in no way makes anyone a Pope!
     
  20. Maria Billingsley

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    Did not the Orthodox Christians protest against the RCC?
     
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