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Which Day of the Week is the Sabbath?

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I believe that the Sabbath commandment, just like all of the other commandments of God, should be written in our hearts and minds; that is what the new covenant is all about:
Hebrews 8:10 This is the covenant I will make with the house of Israel
after that time, declares the Lord.
I will put my laws in their minds
and write them on their hearts.
I will be their God,
and they will be my people.

Actually, under the old covenant, the law was supposed to be internalized as well; salvation was always about grace, not about keeping the law externally with no spiritual conversion:
Deuteronomy 6:4 Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God, the LORD is one. 5 Love the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength. 6 These commandments that I give you today are to be upon your hearts. 7 Impress them on your children. Talk about them when you sit at home and when you walk along the road, when you lie down and when you get up. 8 Tie them as symbols on your hands and bind them on your foreheads. 9 Write them on the doorframes of your houses and on your gates.

The old covenant was not the law; it was the agreement that God made with His people at Mount Sinai, when God spoke His law directly to the people and then wrote His law on tablets of stone, which He gave to Moses. The people promised to obey Him, and they confirmed the covenant with the blood of bulls (Exodus 24). God's promise to them under the old covenant was that if they obeyed Him, He would bless them, and if they disobeyed, He would curse them. (See Leviticus 26 for a description of the covenant curses and blessings.)

The problem with the old covenant was that the people never followed through on their promises. They did not understand how the law was supposed to be kept--through grace. They did not trust God or keep His laws in their hearts. They sometimes followed the external regulations, even gradually adding to them and making them impossibly burdensome, which is why Jesus had to remind people of what the law of God was really about--loving God and loving our neighbors. What they missed was what many people today overlook as well--the fact that doing the right things doesn't make us righteous:
MT 15:16 "Are you still so dull?" Jesus asked them. 17 "Don't you see that whatever enters the mouth goes into the stomach and then out of the body? 18 But the things that come out of the mouth come from the heart, and these make a man `unclean.' 19 For out of the heart come evil thoughts, murder, adultery, sexual immorality, theft, false testimony, slander. 20 These are what make a man `unclean'; but eating with unwashed hands does not make him `unclean.' "
When we accept Jesus, He transforms our minds and makes His laws a part of our character. He recreates us spiritually in His image. That is what being born again is all about. We still keep the law but it is through the grace and power of God, not through our own willpower and effort:
Romans 12:1 Therefore, I urge you, brothers, in view of God's mercy, to offer your bodies as living sacrifices, holy and pleasing to God--this is your spiritual act of worship. 2 Do not conform any longer to the pattern of this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind. Then you will be able to test and approve what God's will is--his good, pleasing and perfect will.
Therefore, the new covenant is sealed by Jesus, not by us. Hebrews 8:6 says that the new covenant is founded on better promises than the old covenant. Jesus entered the heavenly sanctuary after His resurrection and confirmed the new covenant with His own blood, not with the blood of bulls or goats (Hebrews 10). It was founded on His promise to engrave His law on our hearts rather than on stone tablets. Jesus perfectly fulfilled the law, which requires a sacrifice to save a sinner from the death penalty, in a way that no animal sacrifice could ever do. The sacrificial system dealt with the consequences of breaking God's law. Jesus' death put an end to the need for sacrifices because He paid the penalty for every violation of His law. His death did not put an end to the law itself; rather, it opened the way into the heavenly sanctuary so that we could have full and direct access to the grace and power of God that keeps us from sinning:
Hebrews 10:19 Therefore, brothers, since we have confidence to enter the Most Holy Place by the blood of Jesus, 20 by a new and living way opened for us through the curtain, that is, his body, 21 and since we have a great priest over the house of God, 22 let us draw near to God with a sincere heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled to cleanse us from a guilty conscience and having our bodies washed with pure water. 23 Let us hold unswervingly to the hope we profess, for he who promised is faithful. 24 And let us consider how we may spur one another on toward love and good deeds.
The Sabbath is important because it is a part of God's Ten Commandments. I agree with GraceInHim's quote:
GraceInHim said:
"Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?" Jesus replied: " 'Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.' This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: 'Love your neighbor as yourself.' All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments" (Matthew 22:36-40).

A reflective reading of Christ's teaching reveals that the first four commandments given to the children of Israel are contained in the statement: "Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind." It continues that the last six commandments are enclosed in the statement: "Love your neighbor as yourself."
The Sabbath is about loving and honoring God, not about staying in our houses and keeping the lights off and eating cold food and sitting around doing nothing and being bored and miserable. If that's what we thought, then it would be legalism. Unlike the Pharisees of Jesus' time, we do not have a code of acceptable Sabbath activities that everyone is supposed to adhere to. Jewish tradition dictated that people couldn't carry food between two houses on Sabbath unless they stuck a plank between them to connect them so that they would be considered one house. Jewish tradition dictated that people couldn't walk more than a certain distance (about 3/4 mile) unless they had buried food ahead of time at intervals so that they could consider those places their homes. Jewish tradition dictated that people couldn't even carry a handkerchief unless they sewed it to their clothing. The Sabbath was never meant to be about that, even under the old covenant. The Sabbath was always intended to be a time of spiritual communion with God, not a burden of physical restrictions. That's why Jesus cut through all of the legalism of the Jewish teachers and showed them what the Sabbath was supposed to be about, making them so angry that they wanted to kill Him:
Matthew 12:1 At that time Jesus went through the grainfields on the Sabbath. His disciples were hungry and began to pick some heads of grain and eat them. 2 When the Pharisees saw this, they said to him, "Look! Your disciples are doing what is unlawful on the Sabbath."

3 He answered, "Haven't you read what David did when he and his companions were hungry? 4 He entered the house of God, and he and his companions ate the consecrated bread--which was not lawful for them to do, but only for the priests. 5 Or haven't you read in the Law that on the Sabbath the priests in the temple desecrate the day and yet are innocent? 6 I tell you that one greater than the temple is here. 7 If you had known what these words mean, `I desire mercy, not sacrifice,' you would not have condemned the innocent. 8 For the Son of Man is Lord of the Sabbath."

9 Going on from that place, he went into their synagogue, 10 and a man with a shriveled hand was there. Looking for a reason to accuse Jesus, they asked him, "Is it lawful to heal on the Sabbath?"

11 He said to them, "If any of you has a sheep and it falls into a pit on the Sabbath, will you not take hold of it and lift it out? 12 How much more valuable is a man than a sheep! Therefore it is lawful to do good on the Sabbath."

13 Then he said to the man, "Stretch out your hand." So he stretched it out and it was completely restored, just as sound as the other. 14 But the Pharisees went out and plotted how they might kill Jesus.
I believe that the Sabbath is a time to worship God and to help others, as Jesus did; this is not to say that we shouldn't worship God all the time, but the Sabbath is a holy day set apart (sanctified) by God at creation. The difference between worshiping God on Sabbath and worshiping Him on other days is that on Sabbath we rest from our jobs and our secular activities (although there are differences of opinion among Adventists as to what kinds of activities are acceptable on Sabbath) and devote ourselves fully to God, without the outside distractions that often preoccupy our time during the rest of the week. Thus, the Sabbath is not meant to be a burden or a legalistic way of trying to earn salvation, but a blessing from God to help us draw closer to Him. Here is a quote from Isaiah 58, which I think conveys the attitude that God wants us to have toward the Sabbath:
13 "If you keep your feet from breaking the Sabbath
and from doing as you please on my holy day,
if you call the Sabbath a delight
and the LORD's holy day honorable,
and if you honor it by not going your own way
and not doing as you please or speaking idle words,

14 then you will find your joy in the LORD,
and I will cause you to ride on the heights of the land
and to feast on the inheritance of your father Jacob."
The mouth of the LORD has spoken.
The Sabbath is about finding joy in the Lord, and it's easier to do that when we can completely focus on Him and not have to think about going to work and cleaning our houses and paying our bills and grocery shopping and all of the other activities that normally take up most of our time and cause us to push God into the background. Beyond physical rest, the Sabbath is most importantly a time of spiritual rest and renewal, a time of thanksgiving for the grace that God has given us.
 
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GraceInHim said:
"And God spoke all these words, saying: 'I am the LORD your God…

ONE: 'You shall have no other gods before Me.'

TWO: 'You shall not make for yourself a carved image--any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.'

THREE: 'You shall not take the name of the LORD your God in vain.'

FOUR: 'Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy.'

FIVE: 'Honor your father and your mother.'

SIX: 'You shall not murder.'

SEVEN: 'You shall not commit adultery.'

EIGHT: 'You shall not steal.'

NINE: 'You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.'

TEN: 'You shall not covet your neighbor's house; you shall not covet your neighbor's wife, nor his male servant, nor his female servant, nor his ox, nor his donkey, nor anything that is your neighbor's.'

The 10 Commandments - Christ's Summation in the New Testament
About 1,400 years later, the 10 Commandments were summed up in the New Testament at Matthew 22, when Jesus was confronted by the religious

"Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?" Jesus replied: " 'Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.' This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: 'Love your neighbor as yourself.' All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments" (Matthew 22:36-40).

A reflective reading of Christ's teaching reveals that the first four commandments given to the children of Israel are contained in the statement: "Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind." It continues that the last six commandments are enclosed in the statement: "Love your neighbor as yourself."

I would think the 10 commandments still stand -

I see no reason to disagree with you on that.
 
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Oblio said:
Saturday.

The fulfillment of the Sabbath was Great and Holy Saturday when Christ rested from His work in defeating death by death. It is no longer an obligation for anyone. Jew or Gentile.


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Is this relevant to daily Christian living? Perhaps the idea behind the sabbath is that God made us, so he knows how we work, and he suggests taking one day every week to relax and give our minds and bodies a break, in order to keep them healthy and effective, and not wear ourselves out:yawn: If that was the case, I guess it wouldn't really matter which day you chose as your sabbath.

Any comments?
 
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Truth2194 said:
Is this relevant to daily Christian living? Perhaps the idea behind the sabbath is that God made us, so he knows how we work, and he suggests taking one day every week to relax and give our minds and bodies a break, in order to keep them healthy and effective, and not wear ourselves out:yawn: If that was the case, I guess it wouldn't really matter which day you chose as your sabbath.

Any comments?

The point is what day did God choose?
 
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tall73 said:
THIS IS A SUGGESTION

For anyone wishing to participate in the Hebrews 4 discussion I strongly suggest you fully write up your view on chapter 4 and the context, including obviously most of chapter 3.

It think all would agree that this is a complicated passage. It is good to wrestle with the details. Otherwise there is a danger that our comments will not come from a full understanding.

It won't hurt us to read more on it, so post your view!




I have read what You ask us for.My thoughts about this are that this Sabbath is in the future.I give You some examples
Hebrews 4

vers 1 Therefore, since the promise of entering his rest still stands, let us be careful that none of you be found to have fallen short of it.

The Bible say here "his reat still stands" so on that time was it in the future.Nothing have chance yet what I know;)

5And again in the passage above he says, "They shall never enter my rest."

For me it sounds that is something in the future too.Not the littery sabbath that we have today

I can coninue but I shall go to a vacation today.So when I come back wednesday evening I can see what you all thnks about my thoughts:) ;)
 
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Nice to see someone from Norway.

The phrase "still stands" isn't something in the future it is something that is continuing. Maybe this translation would help make it clearer?

Hebrews 4:1-3 NET
(1) Therefore we must be wary that, while the promise of entering his rest remains open, none of you may seem to have come short of it.
(2) For we had good news proclaimed to us just as they did. But the message they heard did them no good, since they did not join in with those who heard it in faith.
(3) For we who have believed enter that rest, as he has said, "As I swore in my anger, 'They will never enter my rest!' " And yet God's works were accomplished from the foundation of the world.

The promise is still open, it remains open, that would mean right then, and he encourages them no to fall short.

In verse three notice it is the we who have believed, that is something that has already occurred.

Those that will never enter God's rest are those under the law. That is a quote from Psalm 95":11. Those people don't get a Sabbath in the future, they never get one, God swore it!

The rest is already available at the time this is written but rest is never available for those under the law.


God dag
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Oh but if we read down further even in Hebrews ....

Heb 4:9 There remaineth therefore a day of rest for the people of God.

Heb 4:10 For he that is entered into his rest, the same also hath rested from his works, as God did from his.

Heb 4:11 Let us hasten therefore to enter into that rest: lest any man fall into the same example of unbelief.

Heb 4:12 For the word of God is living and effectual and more piercing than any two edged sword; and reaching unto the division of the soul and the spirit, of the joints also and the marrow: and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.

Does anyone know in actuality what the book of Hebrews is?
 
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Oh but if we read down further even in Hebrews ....

Heb 4:9 There remaineth therefore a day of rest for the people of God.

Heb 4:10 For he that is entered into his rest, the same also hath rested from his works, as God did from his.

Heb 4:11 Let us hasten therefore to enter into that rest: lest any man fall into the same example of unbelief.

Heb 4:12 For the word of God is living and effectual and more piercing than any two edged sword; and reaching unto the division of the soul and the spirit, of the joints also and the marrow: and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.

Does anyone know in actuality what the book of Hebrews is?

Amen, there remains (remains means to "continue UNCHANGED") a day of rest for the people of God. That's me, I'm a person of God. :)
 
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TrustAndObey said:
Amen, there remains (remains means to "continue UNCHANGED") a day of rest for the people of God. That's me, I'm a person of God. :)
This is talking to the Jews and it is a REBUKE .... This is to tell them to Worship the living and effectual God of whom they were denying .... Christ .... methinks that somewhere along the line here people have misunderstood the relevance of Hebrews to the Hebrews .... As you are not a Jew then this would not pertain to you ....

people of God=chosen people= Isrealites and this is brought out in the first few verses of this chapter quite clearly of whom he is talking to and is brought up in a post by another member quite adequately already....

Heb 4:3 For we, who have believed, shall enter into rest; as he said: As I have sworn in my wrath: If they shall enter into my rest; and this indeed when the works from the foundation of the world were finished.

Past tense and talking of the promise made to the Jews/Isrealites/ Chosen People/People of God ....
 
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BigNorsk said:
The rest is already available at the time this is written but rest is never available for those under the law.


the text doesn't say it isn't available to those under the law, but it isn't available to those that sin, rebel, have harden hearts, always go astray in their hearts, and are disobedient These are the types of people that will never enter His rest unless they hear His voice, then they can have a taste of it, Today.

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This is talking to the Jews and it is a REBUKE .... This is to tell them to Worship the living and effectual God of whom they were denying .... Christ .... methinks that somewhere along the line here people have misunderstood the relevance of Hebrews to the Hebrews .... As you are not a Jew then this would not pertain to you ....

How do you know I'm not a Jew though? How do you know that I wasn't born of Jewish bloodline but accepted Christ in my life and became a CHRISTIAN? The "people of God" have to accept Christ as the Messiah. There is no way to the Father except through Christ.

Mary was a Jew but she accepted Christ and became a Christian. I could be the same way. (I'm not, but for the sake of clarity I'm using that as an example).

Hebrews 4 tells us to labor to enter into that rest. And to rest as God rested....and even mentions the seventh day specifically.

Hebrews 4 tells us to labor to enter into that rest. Labor to enter the rest of heaven? Work our way there? Surely people aren't trying to say that we must labor to enter into heaven. NO way.

Laboring to enter the Sabbath means preparing in advance by getting your meals prepared, taking a job that allows you Saturdays off, making sure you get gas the day before, buying your groceries in advance, etc. It can be a lot of work, but that's why Friday is called "Preparation Day" in the Bible.
 
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Heb 4:14 Having therefore a great high priest that hath passed into the heavens, Jesus the Son of God: let us hold fast our confession.

Heb 4:15 For we have not a high priest who cannot have compassion on our infirmities: but one tempted in all things like as we are, without sin.

Heb 4:16 Let us go therefore with confidence to the throne of grace: that we may obtain mercy and find grace in seasonable aid.

 
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debiwebi said:
Heb 4:14 Having therefore a great high priest that hath passed into the heavens, Jesus the Son of God: let us hold fast our confession.

Heb 4:15 For we have not a high priest who cannot have compassion on our infirmities: but one tempted in all things like as we are, without sin.

Heb 4:16 Let us go therefore with confidence to the throne of grace: that we may obtain mercy and find grace in seasonable aid.


I can't refute scripture and never even try to. You and I both know that grace is not a free pardon to sin all we want. We still have to confess our sins, there is still law, we agree on that right?
 
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No it is GRACE .... For there is no way that any human being can ever EARN their way to Heaven .... It is only by the Grace of God that we have the opportunity at all ..... Because He showed us Mercy ..... We are but sinners .... therefore we all fall short of the Glory of God .... I am sorry if you think that upholding the Sabbath day in such a manner will buy you some reward in Heaven then you are wrong ......
 
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debiwebi said:
This is talking to the Jews and it is a REBUKE .... This is to tell them to Worship the living and effectual God of whom they were denying .... Christ .... methinks that somewhere along the line here people have misunderstood the relevance of Hebrews to the Hebrews .... As you are not a Jew then this would not pertain to you ....

people of God=chosen people= Isrealites and this is brought out in the first few verses of this chapter quite clearly of whom he is talking to and is brought up in a post by another member quite adequately already....

Heb 4:3 For we, who have believed, shall enter into rest; as he said: As I have sworn in my wrath: If they shall enter into my rest; and this indeed when the works from the foundation of the world were finished.

Past tense and talking of the promise made to the Jews/Isrealites/ Chosen People/People of God ....

This is one of the problems I see with those that are disconnected from history. The book of Hebrews is a letter written to encourage the hebrews in jerusalem. They are undergoing much persecution for the faith there right now, with the death of James, and most likely being kicked out of the temple. The writer of the letter is telling them to hold on to what they were taught, he goes on to talk about the rest to come it talks about the role of Christ as Highpriest, and about the analogies of the temple service in the role of salvation, it talks about the promises of the Old covenant and how the New covenant is built on better promises.

This book is written to believers, not unbelievers:

Hebrews 2:1 Therefore we must pay much closer attention to what we have heard, lest we drift away from it.

These people were becoming discouraged, some may even be thinking about leaving the faith, some never were growing in the faith but following blindly living on the basic essentials of the faith. This letter was to encourage them to be strong, grow and enter the rest unlike those in the wilderness who rebelled.

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No it is GRACE .... For there is no way that any human being can ever EARN their way to Heaven .... It is only by the Grace of God that we have the opportunity at all ..... Because He showed us Mercy ..... We are but sinners .... therefore we all fall short of the Glory of God .... I am sorry if you think that upholding the Sabbath day in such a manner will buy you some reward in Heaven then you are wrong ......

Keeping the Sabbath doesn't earn you anything, and I've never stated otherwise. You are absolutely right that GRACE is the only way we are going, and we don't even deserve it then, it's a GIFT.

However, keeping the commandments is how you show God that you love Him BACK. It's how you let Him know that you are His child and serve no other.

My signature line has my favorite verse: 1 John 5:2 & 3. This is how we know that we love God!

1 John 2:4 - He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
 
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So therefore, even if I am wrong, God is going to judge my heart and then judge me by the works of that heart condition .... So If I have accepted Christ as my Saviour and I have been baptized by The Water, The Blood and the Spirit then I have properly confessed my heart and all the things that I know in my heart to be wrong and not to God's Glory then this is what I shall be judged by ..... I believe in heart that I uphold the Sabbath in observing it on the Lord's Day because the Lord is God and therefore whether it be Saturday or Sunday makes no real difference as long as I set aside a Day of thanksgiving unto the Lord for His Work for me and for His Sacrifice for me on the Cross .... Therefore I am observing the Decree set by God .....
 
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debiwebi said:
So therefore, even if I am wrong, God is going to judge my heart and then judge me by the works of that heart condition .... So If I have accepted Christ as my Saviour and I have been baptized by The Water, The Blood and the Spirit then I have properly confessed my heart and all the things that I know in my heart to be wrong and not to God's Glory then this is what I shall be judged by ..... I believe in heart that I uphold the Sabbath in observing it on the Lord's Day because the Lord is God and therefore whether it be Saturday or Sunday makes no real difference as long as I set aside a Day of thanksgiving unto the Lord for His Work for me and for His Sacrifice for me on the Cross .... Therefore I am observing the Decree set by God .....

I had no idea you had a heart condition. :) Now I gotta be sweeter to ya. (hehe, I'm just playing on words, I'm totally joking).

Debi, I think the same should be said for Sabbath-keepers. There is no command in the entire Bible to keep Sunday holy, therefore we are definitely not "breaking" a commandment. Sabbath-keepers love God just as much as Sunday-keepers do. I hope that you understand that we're not trying to work our way ANYWHERE, we are showing our love to the Creator and giving him ONE 24 hour day out of 7.

If I'm wrong then I guess I've wasted (sarcasm) my Saturdays for the last couple of years reading the Bible, studying scripture, studying creation, and getting to know Him. Obviously that is not a waste at all! And again, I've broken no commandment by not doing those things on Sunday.

The Lord's Day is not Sunday. You will not find support for that statement in scripture anywhere.
 
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TrustAndObey said:
I had no idea you had a heart condition. :) Now I gotta be sweeter to ya. (hehe, I'm just playing on words, I'm totally joking).

Debi, I think the same should be said for Sabbath-keepers. There is no command in the entire Bible to keep Sunday holy, therefore we are definitely not "breaking" a commandment. Sabbath-keepers love God just as much as Sunday-keepers do. I hope that you understand that we're not trying to work our way ANYWHERE, we are showing our love to the Creator and giving him ONE 24 hour day out of 7.

If I'm wrong then I guess I've wasted (sarcasm) my Saturdays for the last couple of years reading the Bible, studying scripture, studying creation, and getting to know Him. Obviously that is not a waste at all! And again, I've broken no commandment by not doing those things on Sunday.

The Lord's Day is not Sunday. You will not find support for that statement in scripture anywhere.
Well it seems that I am rubbing off on you now I do not know if that is a good thing or a bad one ..... ;) just kidding ....

I have to reply to this later though as I have to go and actually do something right now I wonder if you can guess what that is .... Congregating with others that are like minded is invollved in it though so I am giving you a hint ....

LOL

I will be back later

Lovingly In Christ
Debi
 
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Acts 17:30 - And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent:

If you own a Bible, you are not in a time of ignorance. No one has any excuse not to seek after and know the truth.

It's a catch 22 to tell someone to examine something, knowing they will find out the truth eventually, because then they ARE accountable to it.

Have fun at church!
 
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