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Which day did God choose?

Discussion in 'Christian Scriptures' started by Hezekiah81, Aug 21, 2021.

Is the sabbath day still valid?

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  1. MMXX

    MMXX Jesus is Lord Supporter

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    Do you go to church on Saturday?
     
  2. Hezekiah81

    Hezekiah81 Christ died for me so I died for him

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    I do as God commanded I rest, I do his will in it not mine and connect with him and learn his word. All the people that tell you your not able to keep the sabbath because a gazillion commandments were given that's man made regulations. God only commands you to rest, do no work, and keep it holy. The sabbath isn't a burden or against you like mixed up religion would have you believe, God said it was made for you.
     
  3. MMXX

    MMXX Jesus is Lord Supporter

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    You started out this thread by asking; "What day are the body of Christ to worship on?". 99.9% of the time that means 'what day should we go to church on?'. If you're talking about worshipping outside of church on a personal basis, the answer is; every day.
     
  4. Hezekiah81

    Hezekiah81 Christ died for me so I died for him

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    You can even hold sabbath at home that's not against the commandment, you can praise God all day everyday, but there is a particular day he set-apart from the others.
     
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    Sounds like your question really should have been; "What day are the body of Christ to hold the sabbath on?". And the answer to that from 99% of the body of Christ, since there's been a body of Christ, is the body of Christ is not required hold or keep the sabbath law.
     
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    Hezekiah81 Christ died for me so I died for him

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    Says man, I didn't get that memo where God my provider said I'm abolishing my commandments which are holy, just, and good. You can't abolish it, God's commandments are spiritual.
     
  7. MMXX

    MMXX Jesus is Lord Supporter

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    The memo is the Bible. . Which you've chosen to read differently than 99% of the body of Christ has from the beginning. Although since what you've posted is pretty much verbatim to other sabbatarians on CF, it's doubtful you've come up with anything original on your own. So you do belong to a religious denomination/doctrine known as sabbatarianism (specifically gentile Christian sabbatarianism).
     
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  8. ViaCrucis

    ViaCrucis Evangelical Catholic of the Augsburg Confession

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    Acts of the Apostles 15:1-21
    Romans 14:1-23
    Colossians 2:16-23
    Hebrews 8:1-13

    No one is abolishing the commandments of the Torah.
    But we understand the truth of Scripture, that the former covenant, with its stipulations and rules, does not apply to us. It was given to the children of Israel under the covenant God established with them at Mt. Horeb.

    That is why Moses says, in Deuteronomy 5:1-5, that this Torah was given to them gathered at the mountain, not to any other people, not even to the fathers was the Torah given. It's why the Psalmist says only to children of Jacob were given the Torah (Psalms 147:19-20).

    Abraham did not have the Torah, which is why when the angelic visitors come Abraham can, in good conscience, prepare a meal for them that isn't kosher (Genesis 18:7-8, compare with Exodus 23:19).

    And we, the offspring of Abraham by faith in the Messiah, are like Abraham a people without the Torah; for we live in the covenant promises of Jesus Christ which He established by His own broken body and shed blood (Luke 22:20). This is why the Apostle makes his appeal to the faith of Abraham, to a faith before the giving of the Torah (Galatians 3:15-29).

    Read your New Testament. It's all there. Just read it.

    -CryptoLutheran
     
  9. Hezekiah81

    Hezekiah81 Christ died for me so I died for him

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    So you were there almost 2000 years ago and can assure me the body of Christ was keeping the first day holy, no you weren't there, I have a commandment all you have is man's tradition, my question was which day did God choose you haven't even given me one iota of scripture just your opinion. I want biblical proof of a commandment or anything stating the body of Christ kept the first day holy, let me save you some time it's not there. Also because most are doing it doesn't make it right in God's eyes, broad is the way that leads to destruction. Also one more thing, keeping the sabbath isn't a denomination as you state it's God's will.
     
  10. ViaCrucis

    ViaCrucis Evangelical Catholic of the Augsburg Confession

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    Here's the difference: We understand that the New Testament was written for real, believing, worshiping communities of Christians. And that these communities of Christians lived in real history, and that they continued to be Christians even outside of what is written with ink on the paper of the Apostolic writings.

    After Paul died, after Peter died, after the Apostles, one after another, lost their lives there continued to be Christians.

    In Rome even after Peter had died, Clement wrote to the Church in Corinth, he wrote about 95 AD.

    In Antioch we have the successor of Peter and Paul's ministery there, Ignatius continued that work. Ignatius was arrested, and then taken in chains to Rome where he faced martyrdom. He wrote seven letters along his prison journey, five to churches back east, one sent ahead to Rome, and one to his dear friend Polycarp.
    Polycarp, bishop of Smyrna, everal decades later, likewise left us with some of his writings.

    We have Justin, surnamed the Martyr, a Samaritan by birth, raised a Pagan by religion, and was a philosopher by study came to the truth of the Gospel, and became part of the same communities of Christians. Justin took his education in philosophy, rhetoric, and debate to become one of the earliest Christian apologists. Writing a detailed defense of the Christian faith against the false charges and misunderstandings of the Pagan world and Roman authorities--addressing his work directly to the emperor in Rome and the Senate itself.

    So we have, in essence, two options available to us:

    1. The Church which Christ Himself founded, and said not even the gates of Hades could stand against, and which He sent His Apostles out to preach His Gospel, and establish congregations of Christians around the known world (possibly going even as far as India). That is the historical context for why the New Testament even exists: Paul wrote letters to the various churches planted by the Apostles, and to individual Christians in those communities. The same with Peter, James, Jude, and John. And these churches held to the teaching of the Apostles, and continued to practice what they had received. And the Christianity we encounter immediately after the apostolic period is the same Christianity of the apostolic period. And so the witness of the early Church is credible.

    2. The Church which Christ Himself founded, and said not even the gates of Hades could stand against immediately fell apart, and the apostolic preaching became lost. And the Christianity we have in the time immediately after the Apostles is a different Christianity, and we cannot trust the witness of the early Church. In which case not even the Bible itself is reliable, since the Bible is itself part of that early witness. The only reason you or I have a New Testament, have a Bible, is because of those Christians of those early centuries reading and confessing and passing on the Scriptures they themselves received.

    If the Church cannot be trusted in even holding firm to the most rudimentary things of the Apostolic faith; then not even the Bible can be trusted, since it too is "tainted" by a faithless, apostate church.

    Your "traditions of men" argument is empty rhetoric. It's what all false teachers say when they don't want to have to defend their positions against the overwhelmingly clear and solid witness of the Church.

    It's quite clever in its own way, the devil delights in selling his lies under the thin plaster of religiosity and piety.

    The best way to to befuddle a well-meaning Christian is to package false religion as "biblical". We know the devil is adept at quoting the Bible to suit his own diabolical purposes.

    But the devil is a terrible exegete. This can be seen in how the false teachers and false preachers always laud "the Bible" and can speak proudly of "God"; but are deeply afraid of speaking of Christ in truth. And so they quietly dismantle the Bible, seeking to remove Christ from its pages. They speak of commandments, of sabbaths, of new moons, of what not to eat, of what not to wear, and of many very religious-sounding things, but "denying the power thereof" (2 Timothy 3:5).

    Because true biblical devotion knows that the Scriptures proclaim Christ. And that the substance of all that is there is Christ. That Christ is the Word, and that the Bible proclaims Him, proclaims Him as the Word. So that the sabbaths, the new moons, the kosher laws, and all these things were shadows that pointed to the reality: Jesus Christ.

    So, let me inquire this: Which is more holy, the Sabbath, or the day Christ rose?
    Which is greater, Christ or the Sabbath?

    -CryptoLutheran
     
  11. Hezekiah81

    Hezekiah81 Christ died for me so I died for him

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    [ I don't think you do understand the new covenant, when Jesus said if you love me keep my commandments he didn't just mean one. Jesus quoted straight from torah, love God and your neighbor, and you say your supposed to abide to that yet you say torah commandments aren't given to the gentiles you make no sense it's a contradiction. Jesus didn't come to abolish his law he came to raise the standard.] (Matthew 5:27-28) 27 You have heard that it was said by them of old time, you shall not commit adultery: 28 But I say unto you, that whosoever looks on a woman to lust after her has committed adultery with her already in his heart. [Sounds like Jesus is raising the standard to me.] (The Acts 15:19-20) 19 Wherefore my sentence is, that we trouble not them, which from among the gentiles are turned to God: 20 But that we write unto them, that they abstain from pollution of idols, and from fornication, and from things strangled, and from blood. (Leviticus 17:10) And whatsoever man there be of the house of israel, or of the strangers [that's a gentile] that sojourn among you, that eats any manner of blood; I will even set my face against that soul that eats blood, and will cut him off from among his people.[ This clearly shows gentiles given torah, they were given baby steps as new believers because they didn't know torah and they didn't want to overwhelm them. You say torah is abolished I believe what God's word says his law is truth. What was wicked and an abomination to God in the old hebrew scriptures is still today and I will continue to walk in God's ways regardless of what you law abolishers tell me.]
     
  12. Bible Highlighter

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    (Is the Sabbath really as important as Sabbatarians say in the NT?)

    Introduction:

    The word “sabbath” appears 60 times in the New Testament in the King James Bible. The word “love” appears 261 times in the New Testament (KJB). The word “charity” (love) appears 28 times in the KJB. This would be a total of 289 occurrences on the word “love” if we were to combine them together. While there may be more words on love, this helps to show us that the weekly Sabbath is not as important as the two greatest commandments (Which are based on love and runs contrary to Ellen G. White, and other Sabbatarians making it appear like the greatest command is the Sabbath). The variation on the word “gospel” appears 104 times in the King James Bible. Again, this is almost at the reach of double the amount we see for the word “sabbath.” The word “grace” appears 131 times in the NT (KJV). Note: This search was done by typing in the desired keywords followed by an asterisk symbol (*) at the following KJV search website here.​


    Liberty in what a Jewish person can do on the Sabbath Day:
    (Pre-Cross):
    (Jewish Ministry):
    (Appearances of breaking the Sabbath):
    (This includes an activity of exemption in profaning the Sabbath):
    (Approx. 7 activities of liberty in regards to the Sabbath are mentioned):
    (This suggests liberty of the Sabbath and not a stricter adherence to it):

    1. Matthew 12:1
    2. Matthew 12:2
    3. Matthew 12:5 (2 x) (Word sabbath mentioned two times).
    4. Matthew 12:8
    5. Matthew 12:10
    6. Matthew 12:11
    7. Matthew 12:12
    8. Mark 2:23
    9. Mark 2:24
    10. Mark 2:28
    11. Mark 3:2
    12. Mark 3:4
    13. Luke 6:1
    14. Luke 6:2
    15. Luke 6:5
    16. Luke 6:6
    17. Luke 6:7
    18. Luke 6:9
    19. Luke 13:10
    20. Luke 13:14 (2 x) (Two times for the word sabbath).
    21. Luke 13:15
    22. Luke 13:16
    23. Luke 14:1
    24. Luke 14:3
    25. Luke 14:5
    26. John 5:9
    27. John 5:10
    28. John 5:16
    29. John 5:18
    30. John 7:22
    31. John 7:23 (x 2) (two times for the word sabbath)
    32. John 9:14
    33. John 9:16

    The purpose of the Weekly Sabbath was for a day of rest for man
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    1. Mark 2:27 (Sabbath was made for man and man was not made for the Sabbath) (x 2) (The word sabbath mentioned two times).

    Future Prophecy:
    The mention of the existence of the Sabbath as a calendar day

    (But it is not mentioned as a commandment or Law under the New Testament):

    1. Matthew 24:20

    Jesus Keeping the Sabbath (Pre-Cross):
    (Jewish Ministry):

    1. Mark 1:21 (Jesus taught on the Sabbath in Jewish synagogue)
    2. Mark 6:2 (Jesus taught on the Sabbath in Jewish synagogue)
    3. Luke 4:16 (Jesus taught on the Sabbath in Jewish synagogue)
    4. Luke 4:31 (In Jewish city of Capernaum, Jesus taught Jewish people on their Sabbath days).

    Jesus Work on the Cross Done Before Sabbath High Day:
    (This Was Christ’s Unique Plan of Redemption For Mankind That No Man Can Do Himself):

    1. Mark 15:42 (Jesus work at the cross not done on the Sabbath)
    2. Luke 23:54 (Jesus work at the cross not done on the Sabbath)
    3. John 19:31 (Jesus work at the cross not done on the Sabbath) (2 x) (Word sabbath mentioned two times).

    Side Note 1:

    Please take note that Jesus did rise from the grave on the weekly Saturday Sabbath and ascended on Sunday to His Father (completing His plan of redemption for mankind). Jesus' work of the resurrection was a major work for mankind (Which was done on the weekly Sabbath). Granted, while Christ is our Heavenly High Priest and priests are exempt from priestly duties on the Sabbath, we are to walk in newness of life in the likeness of His resurrection (Romans 6:4-5). Meaning we can (walk) work on the Sabbath like Christ, too.​

    Side Note 2:

    To learn more about my view of the timing of the Passion Week, check out this thread here.​


    Jewish People Merely Keeping the Weekly Sabbath Day (Pre-Cross):
    (Note: Even the apostles said and did things sometimes without fully understanding God’s ways. One big example is that the apostles were unaware of the resurrection of Christ beforehand; In fact, Jesus rebuked two disciples for not knowing about Christ entering into His glory (resurrection and ascension) on the road to Emmaus - See: Luke 24:13-35).

    1. Matthew 28:1 (Mary Magdalene, and the other Mary)
    2. Mark 16:1 (Mary Magdalene, Mary, the mother of James, and Salome)
    3. Luke 23:56 (Jewish women from Galilee).

    Time of When The Apostles Were Seeking to Evangelize Jews on Their Sabbath Day(s):
    (Paul said he became a Jew so that he might win the Jews - 1 Cor. 9:20):

    1. Acts of the Apostles 13:14
    2. Acts of the Apostles 13:27
    3. Acts of the Apostles 13:42
    4. Acts of the Apostles 13:44
    5. Acts of the Apostles 16:13
    6. Acts of the Apostles 17:2
    7. Acts of the Apostles 18:4

    Some Usefulness or Benefits of the Old Law:
    (However, This Chapter is a Point Against Gentiles Keeping the Law of Moses and Circumcision; See: Acts of the Apostles 15:1, Acts of the Apostles 15:5, and Acts of the Apostles 15:24):

    1. Acts of the Apostles 15:21 (It appears the focus here may potentially be evangelism) by the use of this word.

    Jewish reference for a Sabbath Day Travel:
    (Beginning of Early Church in Its Infancy):
    (Meaning: The Church Had to Learn and Grow Still):

    1. Acts of the Apostles 1:12

    Do Not Let Anyone Judge You According to Sabbath Days:
    (This Suggests that the Weekly Sabbath Command Has Ended):
    (For if the Weekly Sabbath was in effect, we would expect others to properly judge us for not keeping it):

    1. Colossians 2:16

    Conclusion
    :


    Not once do we see the word “sabbath” used as a command in the New Testament. Not once do we see the word “sabbath” (or a related word) used as a reference to a person being condemned or not keeping the “sabbath.” For there are no sins listed as sabbath breaking among the other list of sins that the apostle John and the apostle Paul mention in the New Testament. In fact, the largest list of the use of the word “sabbath” (as mentioned in this study) is in reference to activities in having a liberty in regards to the “sabbath.” (33 verses for approximately 7 liberties or actions done on the weekly Sabbath day). One would expect to find that if the Sabbath was as important as SDA's and Sabbatarians claim, there would be numerous examples in the New Testament of the necessity of keeping the weekly Sabbath command but it simply does not exist in the NT. Actually, the NT suggests the exact opposite in that the weekly Sabbath command is no longer binding upon believers under the New Covenant. For we cannot make assumptions that the Mosaic Laws that were given to the Jews under the Old Covenant applies to Gentile believers under the New Covenant. If there was ever a time to resolve the weekly Sabbath command issue, it should have been addressed to us at the Jerusalem council in Acts chapter 15 (But it wasn't). On the contrary, we learn that Gentile Christians are not under the Law of Moses (Which would naturally include the weekly Sabbath) (See: Acts of the Apostles 15:1, Acts of the Apostles 15:5, and Acts of the Apostles 15:24). Christians also gathered on the first day of the week (Acts of the Apostles 20:6-7) (1 Corinthians 16:1-2), and nothing is said that they also gathered on the weekly Sabbath for brotherly and sisterly fellowship. The only time we see in the NT the apostles out and about on a weekly Sabbath was to evangelize others in missionary work. So in conclusion, the SDA or Sabbatarian view of the Sabbath in the NT is clearly not as they would hope it to be in their major focus of promoting the Sabbath. For me: Colossians 2:14-16, Romans 4:5, and Acts of the Apostles 15 stand as powerful testimonies against those who say we must keep the Mosaic weekly Sabbath command (Despite the Sabbatarians' odd interpretations on these verses). Just by looking at the usage of the word “sabbath” one can honestly come to the conclusion it is not in the way that SDAs and or Sabbatarians desire.

    May the Lord's goodness shine upon you all.

    With loving kindness to you all in Christ,

    Sincerely,

    ~ BL. Highlighter.
     
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    Bible Highlighter Law of the Lord is perfect, converting the soul. Supporter

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    If you were to read Acts of the Apostles 15:1, Acts of the Apostles 15:5, and Acts of the Apostles 15:24, you would learn that the Gentiles were told that they did not have to keep the Law of Moses (i.e. the 613 Laws as a whole or contract). Yes, certain laws have been repeated into the New Covenant (or New Testament), but this would be the Moral Laws like do not murder, to do not covet, do not steal, etc.

    Colossians 2:16 says we are not to let others judge us in regards to whether we keep the Sabbaths or not.

    Romans 14:5 says some regard all days alike and others regard one day above another. Paul does not correct those who regard all days as being the same and tells them to keep the Saturday Sabbath. For the person who regards all days alike would be in error if the Saturday Sabbath Command was still in effect under the New Covenant. But Paul says let everyone be convinced in his own mind.

    There are no Sabbath commands repeated in the New Testament anywhere. There is also no sin that says, “Sabbath breaking” listed among the other sins that the apostle John or Paul mention.

    Hebrews 7:12 says the Law has changed.
    We are under the Law of Christ (Galatians 6:2, Romans 8:2, and 1 Corinthians 9:21), and not the Law of Moses. For the Law came by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ (John 1:17).
     
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    Bible Highlighter Law of the Lord is perfect, converting the soul. Supporter

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    The New Covenant officially began with Christ’s death.

    “For a testament is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth.” (Hebrews 9:17).

    “Likewise also the cup after supper, saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood, which is shed for you.” (Luke 22:20).

    Hebrews 7:12 says the Law has changed.
    So if the Law has changed, we have to be careful to look in what way it has changed.

    I believe Jesus was making changes to the Law even at the sermon on the Mount.

    For the Law said… an eye, for an eye…. BUT Jesus said… turn the other cheek if you are struck.
     
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    When looking at the Old Law one can categorize the Old Testament Mosaic Law (the 613 Laws of Moses) into a threefold division:
    1. Moral Laws (Any Law pertaining to doing good as a part of nature).
    2. Ceremonial Laws (Laws pertaining to ceremonies or rituals).
    3. Civil Laws (Laws dealing with civil matters; Which includes Laws on carrying out justice).
    Even before the written Law of Moses: We can see that there were Moral Laws (like: “Do not murder,” “Do not steal,” Do not covet,” “Do not commit adultery,” etc.), and Ceremonial Laws (like: animal sacrifices).

    God's moral laws came into existence for man and would forever exist for him after the Fall of Adam and Eve (after they received the knowledge of good and evil). A Moral Law is any law telling you to do good without a specific law telling you that such a thing is so (See Romans 2:14). These moral laws existed before the Law of Moses.

    In the New Covenant (or New Testament) these Moral Laws (like: “Do not murder,” “Do not steal,” Do not covet,” “Do not commit adultery,” etc.) are repeated from the 613 laws within the Law of Moses and they still are in effect (i.e. They have been carried over into the New Testament). However, the Old Testament Law of Moses as a whole or package deal is no more (contractually speaking). Ceremonial Laws or commands: Things like the commands on circumcision, animal sacrifices, the Saturday Sabbath, dietary etc. are no longer binding under the New Covenant. This is because the written Law given to Israel is no longer in effect (as a whole). How so?

    Here are a list of verses showing us the Old Law is no more:

    "When God speaks of a "new" covenant, it means he has made the first one obsolete. It is now out of date and will soon disappear." (Hebrews 8:13) (NLT).

    ”Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God.” (Romans 7:4).

    "But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter." (Romans 7:6).

    "Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;" (Colossians 2:14).

    20 "Wherefore if ye be dead with Christ from the rudiments of the world, why, as though living in the world, are ye subject to ordinances,
    21 (Touch not; taste not; handle not;
    22 Which all are to perish with the using; ) after the commandments and doctrines of men?
    23 Which things have indeed a shew of wisdom in will worship, and humility, and neglecting of the body: not in any honour to the satisfying of the flesh."
    (Colossians 2:20-23).

    “By abolishing in His [own crucified] flesh the enmity [caused by] the Law with its decrees and ordinances [which He annulled]; that He from the two might create in Himself one new man [one new quality of humanity out of the two], so making peace.” (Ephesians 2:15) (AMPC).

    "The old [former] rule [commandment; regulation] is now set aside [nullified; abolished], because it was weak and useless [ineffective]." (Hebrews 7:18) (EXB).

    9 “Which was a figure for the time then present, in which were offered both gifts and sacrifices, that could not make him that did the service perfect, as pertaining to the conscience;
    10 Which stood only in meats and drinks, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them until the time of reformation.” (Hebrews 9:9-10).

    16 “For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator.
    17 For a testament is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth.” (Hebrews 9:16-17).

    ”And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament…” (Hebrews 9:15).

    27 “And he took the cup, and gave thanks, and gave it to them, saying, Drink ye all of it;
    28 For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.” (Matthew 26:27-28).

    50 “Jesus, when he had cried again with a loud voice, yielded up the ghost.
    51 And, behold, the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom; “ (Matthew 27:20-51).

    8 “Above when he said, Sacrifice and offering and burnt offerings and offering for sin thou wouldest not, neither hadst pleasure therein; which are offered by the law;
    9 Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second.” (Hebrews 10:8-9).

    “And certain men which came down from Judaea taught the brethren, and said, Except ye be circumcised after the manner of Moses, ye cannot be saved.” (Acts of the Apostles 15:1).

    “But there rose up certain of the sect of the Pharisees which believed, saying, That it was needful to circumcise them, and to command them to keep the law of Moses.” (Acts of the Apostles 15:5).

    “Forasmuch as we have heard, that certain which went out from us have troubled you with words, subverting your souls, saying, Ye must be circumcised, and keep the law: to whom we gave no such commandment” (Acts of the Apostles 15:24).

    28 "For it seemed good to the Holy Ghost, and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things;
    29 That ye abstain from meats offered to idols, and from blood, and from things strangled, and from fornication: from which if ye keep yourselves, ye shall do well. Fare ye well." (Acts of the Apostles 15:28-29).

    7 "But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away:
    8 How shall not the ministration of the spirit be rather glorious?
    9 For if the ministration of condemnation be glory, much more doth the ministration of righteousness exceed in glory.
    10 For even that which was made glorious had no glory in this respect, by reason of the glory that excelleth.
    11 For if that which is done away was glorious, much more that which remaineth is glorious." (2 Corinthians 3:7-11).

    “But their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same vail untaken away in the reading of the old testament; which vail is done away in Christ.” (2 Corinthians 3:14).​

    The Old Covenant says this about circumcision:

    "And the uncircumcised man child whose flesh of his foreskin is not circumcised, that soul shall be cut off from his people; he hath broken my covenant." (Genesis 17:14).​

    Yet, the New Covenant says this about circumcision:

    "Behold, I Paul say unto you, that if ye be circumcised, Christ shall profit you nothing." (Galatians 5:2).​

    The Old Covenant says this about the Sabbath:

    32 "And while the children of Israel were in the wilderness, they found a man that gathered sticks upon the sabbath day.
    33 And they that found him gathering sticks brought him unto Moses and Aaron, and unto all the congregation.
    34 And they put him in ward, because it was not declared what should be done to him.
    35 And the Lord said unto Moses, The man shall be surely put to death: all the congregation shall stone him with stones without the camp.
    36 And all the congregation brought him without the camp, and stoned him with stones, and he died; as the Lord commanded Moses." (Numbers 15:32-36).​

    Yet, the New Covenant says this about the Sabbath:

    "Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:" (Colossians 2:16).​

    So it appears things have changed.

    This makes sense because Hebrews 7:12 says the Law has changed.

    "For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law." (Hebrews 7:12).

    “For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.” (John 1:17).​

    In conclusion:

    You sort of have to look at the Old Covenant (Old Testament) as one contract, and the New Covenant (New Testament) as another contract. It's kind of like a contract when you buy a house. If you did not like certain things in the contract, you could ask them to make some changes in the contract. If they agreed to the changes, you would then go by the new contract, and the old contract for the house would be discarded. There may be some similar things between the old contract, and the new contract, but you stick with the new contract in your dealing with buying the house. Meaning: This is why we seek to follow the New Covenant (New Testament) primarily even though there are certain laws that have carried over from the Old Covenant (Old Testament). We are clearly not under the 613 Laws of Moses as a whole or package deal. We follow the commands that come from Jesus and His followers.
     
  16. pescador

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    You're either under law or under grace; there is no middle ground. So if you live by the law you're denying Christ.
     
  17. Hezekiah81

    Hezekiah81 Christ died for me so I died for him

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    Satan never deceived anyone into keeping God's commandments, but he does try to make you break them, why do think America was founded to get away from religious and civil persecution mainly from the roman catholic church who was persecuting everyone who did not follow their man fabricated false doctrine, the papacy tortured and killed millions in europe historians believe. You think God was going to let his holy word be lost in time, never, man might have twisted the truth of it but God's truth hasn't changed.
     
  18. Hezekiah81

    Hezekiah81 Christ died for me so I died for him

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    Nice long study that still doesn't abolish God's commandments, and of course you were told to keep the sabbath, Jesus said if you love me keep my commandments plural, I'm sorry but man's fabricated doctrine doesn't get to erase commandments and choose what they want to do, man doesn't decide what righteous living is God most high does.
     
  19. Bible Highlighter

    Bible Highlighter Law of the Lord is perfect, converting the soul. Supporter

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    It is a study on every appearance of the word “Sabbath” in the New Testament and not one of them even suggests the necessity of how we must keep the Saturday Sabbath command. The Gentile Christians are told that they do not have to keep the Law of Moses (Please see: Acts of the Apostles 15:1, Acts of the Apostles 15:5, and Acts of the Apostles 15:24).

    In addition, Colossians 2:16 says we are not to allow others to judge us on whether or not we keep the Sabbaths (Which would naturally include the Saturday Sabbath).

    Romans 14:5 is another verse that implies that the Saturday Sabbath is no longer in effect, as well.
     
  20. Hezekiah81

    Hezekiah81 Christ died for me so I died for him

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    Another typical misunderstanding of (Colossians 2:16) taught in almost every sunday church, these are ceromonial feasts days and sabbaths, not the sabbath God sanctified, (Leviticus 23:32,37-38) explains this clearly, but alot of you new testament churches reject the old hebrew scriptures so you will never understand God's word. Also is abstaining from blood a old covenant law, yes, I gave you the verse and showed you that it is straight from torah, given to gentile new believers of messiah, which you say gentiles were never given torah that's false, you blatantly ignore the truth of God's word.
     
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