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"WHERE THE BODY is, there the EAGLES be gathered" Matt 24 Luke 17-- and Revelation

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  1. LittleLambofJesus

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    I noticed 2 different Greek words for "bodies" and "carcasses/corpse" in the NT.

    Verses with "bodies" and "carcasses" in them..........

    Matthew uses G4430

    4430. ptoma pto'-mah from the alternate of 4098; a ruin, i.e. (specially), lifeless body (corpse, carrion):--dead body, carcase, corpse.

    Matthew 24:28
    for wherever the corpse<4430> may be, there shall the eagles/vultures<105> be gathered together.

    It is used in 3 other verses......
    The body of John the Baptist in Mark 6, and bodies of 2 witnesses in Revelation 11.

    Mark 6:
    24 And she went forth, and said unto her mother, What shall I ask? And she said, The head of John the Baptist.
    27 And immediately the king sent an executioner, and commanded his head to be brought: and he went and beheaded him in the prison,
    29 And when is disciples heard of it, they came
    and took up His corpse, G4430 and laid it in a tomb.

    Why Jerusalem is Mystically Called Sodom and Egypt

    Revelation 11:
    8 And their dead corpses G4430 shall lie in the street<4113> of the great City, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.
    9 And they of the people and kindreds and tongues and nations shall see their corpses G4430 three days and an half, and shall not suffer their corpses G4430 to be put in a tomb<3418>

    Luke uses G4983

    4983. soma so'-mah from 4982; the body (as a sound whole), used in a very wide application, literally or figuratively:--bodily, body, slave

    Luke 17:37
    And they answering say to him, 'Where, sir?'
    and He saith to them, 'Where the body<4983> is, there will the eagles/vultures<105> be gathered together.'

    Which is used in 1 verse of Revelation concerning the destruction of the "Great City/Harlot/Queen"

    Revelation 18:13
    and cinnamon, and odours, and ointment, and frankincense,
    and wine, and oil,
    and fine flour, and wheat,
    and cattle, and sheep,
    and of horses, and of chariots,
    and of bodies<4983> and souls<5590> of men.
     
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    The etymology of ptoma means to fall and interestingly ptomato- means falling under something. lol...
     
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  3. LittleLambofJesus

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    Now on to the "Eagle/s"..........

    105. aetos ah-et-os' from the same as 109; an eagle (from its wind-like flight):--eagle.
    109. aer ah-ayr' from aemi (to breathe unconsciously, i.e. respire; by analogy, to blow); "air" (as naturally circumambient):--air. Compare 5594.


    Strong's Concordance with Hebrew and Greek Lexicon

    Matthew 24:28
    for wherever the corpse<4430> may be, there shall the eagles/vultures<105> be gathered together.
    Luke 17:37
    And they answering say to him, 'Where, sir?'
    and He saith to them, 'Where the body<4983> is, there will the eagles/vultures<105> be gathered together.'

    Revelation 4:7
    and the first living creature is like a lion, and the second living creature is like a calf, and the third living creature hath the face as a man, and the fourth living creature is like an eagle<105> flying.
    Revelation 12:14
    and there were given to the woman two wings of the great eagle<105>, that she may fly to the wilderness, to her place,
    where she is nourished a time and times hand half a time, from the face of the Serpent;

    The equivalent Hebrew word appears to be:

    Genesis 1:1 (YLT)
    H5404 נֶשֶׁר (nesher), from an unused root
    meaning to lacerate; the eagle (or other large bird of prey):--eagle
    occurs 26 times in 26 verses

    1st time used:

    Exodus 19:4
    Ye -- ye have seen that which I have done to the Egyptians, and I bear you on eagles'<1504> wings, and bring you in unto Myself.

    Habakkuk 1:8
    Swifter than leopards have been its horses,
    And sharper than evening wolves,
    And increased have its horsemen, Even its horsemen from afar come in,
    They fly as an eagle<1504>, hasting to consume.

    It occurs in 2 verses of Daniel, using the Aramaic.

    5403 nshar nesh-ar' (Aramaic) corresponding to 5404;
    an eagle:--eagle.

    Daniel 4:33
    'In that hour the thing hath been fulfilled on Nebuchadnezzar, and from men he is driven,
    and the herb as oxen he eateth,
    and by the dew of the heavens his body is wet, till that his hair as eagles'<5403> hath become great,
    and his nails as birds.'

    Some of this same imagery in Daniel 7 is shown in Revelation 4.
    Awesome imagery!!

    Daniel 7:4
    The first is like a lion, and it hath an eagle's<5403> wings.
    I was seeing till that its wings have been plucked,
    and it hath been lifted up from the earth,
    and on feet as a man it hath been caused to stand,
    and a heart of man is given to it.

    Revelation 4:7
    and the first living creature is like a lion,
    and the second living creature is like a calf,
    and the third living creature hath the face as a man,
    and the fourth living creature is like an eagle<105> flying.

    To be continued.............


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  4. jgr

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    The eagle was an ancient Roman military ensign.
     
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  5. Revealing Times

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    It's not that hard to put together brother, we can go overboard on technicalities, we have to allow the Holy Spirit to guide us via common sense.

    What is Jesus speaking about in Matt. 24 ? He is telling the Jews how they can see his return without falling for the false prophet and anti-Christs lies, WHEN THEY SAY COME TO ME I am in the desert ot in the secret chambers !! So Jesus says will be coming from the EASTERN SKIES, it means of course do not look for me on earth, but look to my coming in the skies AND when I am on earth if you missed my return, look to where the carcass is at, there the EAGLES are gathered, then in Rev. 19 he paints this picture of the Marriage Supper on earth, after the Bride returns from heaven with him.

    Rev. 19:17 And I saw an angel standing in the sun; and he cried with a loud voice, saying to all the fowls that fly in the midst of heaven, Come and gather yourselves together unto the supper of the great God; (Church/Bride of Christ)

    18 That ye may eat the flesh of kings, and the flesh of captains, and the flesh of mighty men, and the flesh of horses, and of them that sit on them, and the flesh of all men, both free and bond, both small and great. (Victory at Armageddon id the Marriage Supper)

    19 And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army.

    Now Matt. 24:28 makes sense !!

    Matt. 24:26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not. 27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

    28 For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together.

    Jesus is telling the Jews who will be alive during the Tribulation period where he WILL NOT BE, where he will be returning from (SKY) and where the EAGLES (Church or FOWLS of Rev. 19) will be also, at the CARCASS or where the dead bodies are at !! Armageddon !!

    Hes saying HEY.......Do not got t he false Prophet and the LYING Anti-Christ in the desert ot in a secret chambers, its not going to be me, I will com n the Eastern Skies and the Church and I will be at Armageddon where all the dead bodies are at !! So you guys Flee unto Judea like I told you in verse 16 until I swing by and pick you up later on !!

    Notice the 144,000 (I say this is ALL Israel who Flee unto Petra) are with Jesus when he lands on Mt. Zion ?

    Rev. 14:1 And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father's name written in their foreheads.

    They have the Fathers name meaning they are the Bride of God (Jews) whereas we are the Bride of Christ.
     
  6. BABerean2

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    I have often heard Dispensationalists claim that the Jews flee to Petra, but is it in the Bible?

    The claim that the Jews are the Bride of God, while the Church is the Bride of Christ is another Dispensational claim that falls apart in the words of Jesus found below.



    Joh 10:16 And other sheep I have which are not of this fold; them also I must bring, and they will hear My voice; and there will be one flock and one shepherd.


    Based on the verses below, the inheritance of the Old Testament Saints is the same as ours.

    Heb 11:15 And truly if they had called to mind that country from which they had come out, they would have had opportunity to return.
    Heb 11:16 But now they desire a better, that is, a heavenly country. Therefore God is not ashamed to be called their God, for He has prepared a city for them.

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    I don't see this as reference to the events of 70 AD. Consider the verse,
    ‘Behold, He is in the wilderness,’ do not go out, or, ‘Behold, He is in the inner rooms,’ do not believe them. 27“For just as the lightning comes from the east and flashes even to the west, so will the coming of the Son of Man be. 28“Wherever the corpse is, there the vultures will gather.
    IMO Jesus is simply saying he's coming (Parousia) will not be mistaken. Vultures don't circle a mile down the road they circle directly over the corpse.
    Yes, the word can be used for eagle or vulture. Jesus is referencing a corpse , vulture is the best choice
     
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    That would make sense to a dispensationalist futurist.
    The fact that Matt and Luke [and not Mark], mention this event, it is a sure bet that 70ad Jerusalem is in view here, regardless of ones eschatological view.

    From what I have read, a lot of so called, Bible scholars, are in agreement that the Temple/Jerusalem discourse of Luke 21 is the destruction of 1st century Jerusalem, and this is w/o dispute, and why the zionist futurists rarely bring up Luke's discourses concerning 70ad.

    LUKE CHAPTERS 19, 21, 23 AND REVELATION "DESTRUCTION OF JERUSALEM 70AD"
    Luke chapters 19, 20 and 23 showing in Revelation? Poll..

    The more Christians look at Matthew and Luke and Revelation together, the more fulfilment they will see in the Bible.

    Luke 21:
    23 “But woe to those who are pregnant and to those who are nursing babies in those days!
    For there will be Great Distress in the land and Wrath/ὀργὴ <3709> upon this People.
    Matthew 23:37
    “O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, the one who kills the prophets and stones those who are sent to her!
    Luke 13:34
    “O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, the one who kills the prophets and stones those who are sent to her!


    Matthew 24, Mark 13 and Luke 21 harmonized
     
  9. JohnC2

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    The simplest explanation is that Jesus coming will be obvious to everybody. It won’t be hidden or disguised. It will be easy to find if you want to find it.

    So as the lightning flashes from one side of heaven to the other... Big obvious showy event. Impossible to miss...

    Where? Where you find the carrion birds - there you will find the body...
    Again - finding it will be straight forward to anybody curious enough to actually make an effort to go look. Aka - how do you find a wandering lost animal/person in the desert? Looking for carrion birds circling is an obvious start with a minimum of effort.... You don’t have to be experienced or trained to figure that out - you just have to look.
     
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    That is an interesting observation.
    That was mentioned by Josephus concerning the ad70 destruction of Jerusalem and fulfillment of at least Luke 21....

    https://www.preteristarchive.com/JewishWars/timeline_military.html

    The Destruction of Jerusalem - George Peter Holford, 1805AD
    The Destruction Of JERUSALEM
    An Absolute and Irresistible PROOF OF THE DIVINE ORIGIN OF
    CHRISTIANITY:


    ....The day on which Titus encompassed Jerusalem, was the feast of the Passover....

    Lest, however, the army of Titus should not be sufficiently designated by this expression, our LORD adds, "Wheresoever the carcass is, there will the eagles be gathered together." Matt. xxiv. 28.
    The Jewish state, indeed, at this time, was fitly compared to a carcass.
    The sceptre of Judah, i . e . its civil and political authority, the life of its religion, and the glory of its temple, were departed. It was, in short, morally and judicially dead.
    The eagle, whose ruling instinct is rapine and murder, as fitly represented the fierce and sanguinary temper of the Romans, and, perhaps, might be intended to refer also to the principal figure on their ensigns, which, however obnoxious to the Jews, were at length planted in the midst of the holy city, and finally on the temple itself.
    Roman ensigns standards 1st century.png roman  ensigns standards 1st century 2.png
     
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    Matthew 24:28 is a reference to the carcase of old covenant Israel, which was slain by the eagle-ensigned Roman armies orchestrated by Messiah to inflict the tribulation and desolation which He had prophesied.
     
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    Lightening flashes appear fast and gone fast.
    The way Josephus describes the Roman army coming upon Jerusalem, it appears to be so quick it caught the rebelling Jews by surprised:

    G034 (NKJV)
    5034. tachos takh'-os from the same as 5036; a brief space (of time), i.e. (with 1722 prefixed) in haste:--+ quickly, + shortly, + speedily
    G5034 occurs 7 times in 7 verses

    Luke 18:
    8 I am saying to ye, that He shall be doing<4160> the avenging to them In/en <1722> Swiftness/tacei <5034>.
    moreover, the Son of Man coming<2064> consequently shall be finding the faith upon the earth ’

    Revelation 1:1
    An-un-covering Jesus Christ, which gives to Him, the GOD, to show to the bond-servants of Him,
    which-things is binding to be becoming In/en <1722> Swiftness/tacei <5034>.

    Revelation 22:6
    And said to me: "These, the Words Faithful and True. And Lord, the GOD of the spirits of the holy Prophets, commissions the messenger of Him to show to the bond-servents of Him
    which-things is binding to be becoming In/en <1722> Swiftness/tacei <5034>.

    The Destruction of Jerusalem - George Peter Holford, 1805AD

    While Jerusalem was a prey to these ferocious and devouring factions, every part of Judea was scourged and laid waste by bands of robbers and murderers,...
    The three factions, rendered frantic by drunkenness, rage, and desperation, trampling on heaps of slain, fought against each other with brutal savageness and madness. Even such as brou't sacrifices to the temple were murdered. The dead bodies of priests and worshippers, both natives and foreigners were heaped together, and a lake of blood stagnated in the sacred courts........

    At this critical and alarming conjuncture, intelligence arrived that the Roman army was approaching the city.
    The Jews were petrified with astonishment and fear ; there was no time for counsel, no hope of pacification, no means of flight:-- all was wild disorder and perplexity :- nothing was to be heard but "the confused noise of the warrior, " -- nothing to be seen but garments rolled in blood," -- nothing to be expected from the Romans but signal and exemplary vengeance.
    Such was the horrible condition of the place when Titus and his army presented themselves, and encamped before Jerusalem.......


    Revelation 6:6
    And I hear a voice in midst of the four living-ones saying: "choinex of grain/wheat a denari and three choinex of barleys a denari, and the oil and the wine no you should be injuring". [John 11:48]


    "DAYS OF VENGEANCE" Isaiah 61:2 and Luke 21:22 Revelation

    Isaiah 61:2
    To proclaim the year of the good pleasure of Yahweh,
    And the day of vengeance<5359> of our 'Elohiym, To comfort all mourners.

    Luke 4:21
    and He began by saying,
    “Today this Scripture/Writing<1124 is fulfilled in your hearing.”

    Luke 21:
    22 That days of vengeance<1557> these are, of the to be fulfilled all the having been written


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    Now let's see where "bodies" and corpses" are used in the OT.

    Those words are used together in 1 verse.

    Jeremiah 34:20
    ‘I will give them into the hand of their enemies and into the hand of those who seek their life.
    Their dead bodies shall be for meat for the birds of the heaven and the beasts of the earth.
    Ezekiel 39:14
    “They will set apart men regularly employed, with the help of a search party, to pass through the land and bury those bodies remaining on the ground, in order to cleanse it. At the end of seven months they will make a search.


    Matthew 24:
    1 And Jesus coming out, departed from the Temple.
    Mark 13:
    1 And He going forth out of the Temple, one of His Disciples is saying to Him
    Luke 21:
    5 and of some saying concerning the Temple,............

    This word for "fury" that is used in Revelation is only used 1 time in the Gospels and also used in Revelation 16:1 concerning the last bowl being poured out on Jerusalem/Judea in 70ad

    Luke 4:281
    So all those in the synagogue, when they heard these things, were filled with fury<2372>,

    Revelation 16:1
    Then I heard a loud voice from the Temple saying to the seven angels,
    “Go! and pour out the bowls of the fury<2372> of God on the earth.”

    Amos mentions the Temple and dead bodies:

    Amos 8:3
    And the songs of the Temple Shall be wailing in that day,”
    Says the Lord GOD—
    Many dead bodies everywhere,
    They shall be thrown out in silence.”

    Revelation 18:13
    “and cinnamon and incense, fragrant oil and frankincense, wine and oil, fine flour and wheat, cattle and sheep, horses and chariots,
    and bodies and souls of men.

    According to Josephus, Jerusalem did indeed become a "bloody City" in 70ad:

    The Destruction of Jerusalem - George Peter Holford, 1805AD

    Nahum 3:3
    1 Woe to the bloody City! It is all full of lies and robbery. Its victim never departs.
    3 Horsemen charge with bright sword and glittering spear.
    There is a multitude of slain,
    A great number of bodies,
    Countless corpses
    They stumble over the corpses

    The tops of houses, and the recesses of the city, were covered with the carcasses of women, children, and aged men. The young men appeared like spectres in the places of public resort, and fell down lifeless in the streets. The dead were too numerous to be interred, and many expired in the performance of this office. --
    The public calamity was too great for lamentation. Silence, and, as it were, a black and deadly night, overspread the city. --................
    The blood of the sufferers flowed in proportion to the rage of this de structive element ; and the number of the slain exceeded all calculation. The ground could not be seen for the dead bodies, over which the Romans trampled in pursuit of the fugitives...............

    The Temple now presented little more than a heap of ruins ;

    For five days after the destruction of the Temple, the priests who had escaped, sat, pining with hunger, on the top of one of its broken walls; at length, they came down, and humbly asked the pardon of Titus, which, however, he refused to grant them, saying, that, "as the Temple, for the sake of which he would have spared them, was destroyed, it was but fit that its priests should parish also:" -whereupon he commanded that they should be put to death.

    Malachi 2:1
    1 “And now, O priests, this commandment is for you.
    2 If you will not hear, And if you will not take it to heart, To give glory to My name,”
    Says the LORD of hosts,
    “I will send a curse upon you, And I will curse your blessings. Yes, I have cursed them already, Because you do not take it to heart.
    Behold, I will rebuke your descendants
    And spread refuse on your faces,
    The refuse of your solemn feasts;


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    Luke says something interesting in Luke 17:

    Luke 17:
    20 And when he was asked of the Pharisees when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God does not come with observation;
    33 Whosoever shall seek to save his soul shall lose it,
    and whosoever shall lose it shall cause it to live.

    This appears to coincide with Luke 21 and and Revelation 13.
    Who are the "they" symbolizing in Luke 21:24?

    Captivity and sword Luke 21:24 Revelation 13:10

    Luke 21:24
    And they shall be falling to mouth of sword and they shall be being led captive into all the nations.
    And Jerusalem shall be being trodden by nations until which may be being filled times of nations.
    [Deuteronomy 28:68/Reve 11:2/13:10]

    Revelation 13:10
    If any to-captivity into captivity is going away.
    If any in sword to be killed, is binding him in sword to be killed.
    Here is the endurance and the faith of the Saints

    This appears to be a the fulfilling of Daniel 11:35?

    Daniel 8:17
    So he came near where I stood, and when he came I was afraid and fell on my face; but he said to me, “Understand, son of man, that the vision refers to the time of the end.”
    Daniel 11:35
    And some of those of understanding shall fall, to refine them, purify them,
    and make them white, until the time of the end;
    because it is still for the appointed time.

    Revelation 7:14
    And I said to him, “Sir,[fn] you know.” So he said to me,
    These are the ones who come out of the great tribulation, and washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.

    Jeremiah 15:2
    “And it shall be, if they say to you, ‘Where should we go?' then you shall tell them, ‘Thus says the LORD:
    “Such as are for death, to death;
    And such as are for the sword, to the sword;
    And such as are for the famine, to the famine;
    And such as are for the captivity, to the captivity.” '

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    Do you think Armageddon and Gog-Magog are the same 70ad event?

    Ezekiel 39:12
    And house of Israel entomb them so that to cleanse the Land seven months. And all of people of the Land entomb them,
    and He becomes to them for a Name, Day of to be glorified Me, declaration of Adonay Yahweh.

    The Destruction of Jerusalem - George Peter Holford, 1805AD

    Of the Jews destroyed during the siege, Josephus reckons not less than ONE MILLION AND ONE HUNDRED THOUSAND, to which must be added, above TWO-HUNDRED AND THIRTY-SEVEN THOUSAND who perished in other places, and innumerable multitudes who were swept away by famine, and pestilence, and of which no calculation could be made. Not less than two thousand laid violent hands upon themselves. Of the captives the whole was about NINETY-SEVEN THOUSAND. Of the Two great leaders of the Jews, who had both been made prisoners, John was doomed to a dungeon for life ; while Simon, together with John, in triumph at Rome was scourged, and put to death as a malefactor.

    Deu 28:26
    Your carcasses will be food for all the birds and the wild animals, and there will be no one to frighten them away.


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    Good question LLoJ; I haven't researched enough to arrive at an answer.
     
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    Here is a link to a thread I have up.
    I am inclined to view them as one and the same event.

    The same greek word #4863 used here in Matt 24:28 is also used in Revelation 16, Revelation 19 and Revelation 20.

    Matthew 24:28
    for wherever the corpse<4430> may be,
    there shall the eagles/vultures<105> be gathered-together<4863>. [Revelation 19:17]

    Armegeddon/Gog-Magog same event?

    4863. sunago soon-ag'-o from 4862 and 71;
    to lead together, i.e. collect or convene; specially, to entertain (hospitably):--+ accompany, assemble (selves, together), bestow, come together, gather (selves together, up, together), lead into, resort, take in.

    Revelation 16:
    14 For they are spirits of demons doing signs which is going-out on the kings of the land, and the whole being-homed to-be-together-gathering/sunagagein <4863> (5629) them into the Battle of the Day, that the Great, of the God the Almighty.
    16 And he together-gathering/sunagagein <4863> (5629) them into the Place, the being called to Hebrew Armageddwn

    Revelation 19
    17 And I perceived one messenger standing in the sun, and he cries-out in great voice, saying to all the birds flying in mid-heaven, "hither! be ye being to-gathered/sun-agesqe <4863> (5744)! into the Supper of the Great God.
    18 That Ye may be eating fleshes of kings......[Zeph 1:17/Ezekiel 39:19]

    Revelation 20:8
    and he shall be coming out to deceive the nations, the in the Four Corners of the Land, the Gog and Magog,
    to be together-gathering/sunagagein <4863> (5629) them into the Battle, of which the Number of them as the Sand of the Sea.[Ezekiel 7:1-2]

    Ezekiel 39:
    17 " And thou son of adam! thus says my Adonay Yahweh, say thou! to bird of every wing, and to all of beast of the field: 'be assembled ye! and come ye! together ye from round about on sacrifice of Me which I sacrificing for ye,
    a sacrifice great on Mountains of Israel, and ye eat flesh and ye drink blood.
    18 Flesh of mighty-ones ye shall eat, and blood of princes of the Land ye shall drink.....


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  18. jgr

    jgr Well-Known Member Supporter

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    Yes, I would easily concur with that.
     
  19. LittleLambofJesus

    LittleLambofJesus PESKY DEVIL! GIT! l SAID GIT! Supporter

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    Glad to hear that.
    What poll option would you choose?



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  20. jgr

    jgr Well-Known Member Supporter

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    "Yes it is".
     
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