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Featured Where is all this evil coming from?

Discussion in 'Controversial Christian Theology' started by AubreyM, Apr 5, 2021.

  1. AubreyM

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    So, because of the bible telling of Satan and his angels being thrown in the lake of fire proving the victory of the Lord Jesus Christ.


    Does not remove the fact, that darkness, and evil still exist with-in us humans. Jesus Christ is the only one to be able to cast a light on the darkness and the evil of the heart. Jesus Christ is the light of all man kind.


    As human beings we have a choice to do wrong. Eve was beguiled by Satan in the Garden, but she made a choice when she was enticed, and tempted by her own lust.


    James 1:14 : But each one is tempted when he is drawn away by his own desires and enticed.


    Darkness still exist today.


    - This is total conjecture on my part -> While believers are part of the kingdom of God.


    And while Satan according to the bible has been cast into the lake of fire with his angels.


    And while Satan is most certainly gone, people who are motivated by the power of darkness, who exist after this life and have their lives outside the kingdom of God above, are somehow free to wander, free to encourage others to death, and free to do dark deeds.

     
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  2. honey badger

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    Where is all this evil coming from?

    And in her was found the blood of prophets and of saints and of all those having been slain on the earth.
     
  3. Tolworth John

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    That has not yet happened. Satan is bound but not yet finally punished.
     
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  4. MMXX

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    Satan has not been cast onto the lake of fire yet.

    That happens after Jesus returns.
     
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  5. Minister Monardo

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    John 3:
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    Now this is the judgment, that the light has come into the world and men loved
    the darkness instead of the light, because their deeds were evil.
    20 For everyone who does evil hates the light and does not come to the light, so that
    their deeds will not be exposed.
    21 But whoever practices the truth comes to the light, so that it may be made known
    that his deeds have been accomplished in God.
     
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  6. AubreyM

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    Tolworth John and MMXX: Okay thank you for your view points.

    Honeybadger: Very cryptic and interesting, not sure what to take from it.

    Monardo: This is a helpful scripture, thank you for sharing it.
     
  7. Carl Emerson

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    Eve did not have lust, that came after the fall.

    Her temptation came through the deception of the serpent, she was tricked into disobeying God.
     
  8. Carl Emerson

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    Please show from scripture that this has already occurred.
     
  9. AubreyM

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    Hello Carl,

    Thank you for your correction about the 'lust'

    James 1:14 : But each one is tempted when he is drawn away by his own desires and enticed.

    So even after being beguiled by Satan - Was eve drawn away by her own her desire or is this scripture incorrect?

    Revelation 20: 10 These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone." Revelation 20:10 "And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever."

    I personally believe this has done happened, Carl.

    It is however subjective and you do not have to believe my point of view.
     
  10. myst33

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    The lake of fire is symbolic, it represents the judgement. I am not sure if satan is a real being or a personification of our temptations and wrong inclinations.

    But as the darkness is always-present in any physical creation, so is its judgement and the victory of light.
     
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    And to your question, where is evil from - from the nature of physical creation. Physical creation is limited, damagable and changing. These properties lead to evil (harm, death, mistakes, animal inclinations, fear...). Lets call it a physical evil.

    Then there is a moral evil, which has its source in imperfection of everything that is not God.
     
  12. Carl Emerson

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    James 1:15 is addressed to all believers long after the fall.

    Who was the beast and the false prophet if these events have passed.

    Revelation is prophetic and speaks of events to come.
     
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    Like Isaiah or Daniel was prophetic about Messiah until He came, so the Revelation was prophetic until it happened.
     
  14. AubreyM

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    Hello Carl,

    Curious to know what you are suggesting.

    Is it that Adam and Eve were not humans, and could not be tempted by their own desires?

    Was it Satan who caused the fall?

    Or was it Adam and Eve's choice not to listen to God that caused the fall?

    Because according to James 1:14 indicates man is tempted by their own desires, and dragged away when they are enticed.

    ~

    Thank you for sharing your view point on revelation.
     
  15. MMXX

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    She had lust of a sort when she saw that the fruit looked good to eat.
     
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  16. MMXX

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    I'd he's real considering the conversations between him and God in the book of Job.
     
  17. myst33

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    Yes, there are some places in the bible, where the personification is developed into detail. For me, both is possible.

    Similarly, I do not think that there is some dragon called Leviathan on the bottom of the sea, who tries to swallow the sun and that God killed him with literal sword, but I think its just an example of zoomorphism.
     
  18. AubreyM

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    Hello MMXX, what does this mean?
     
  19. MMXX

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    I agree. Satan is symbolized as a dragon and also as a lion seeking whom he may devour 1 Peter 5:8
     
  20. MMXX

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    In the book of Job Satan and God talk to each other. Satan actually presents himself before God on heaven. God points out Job to him saying what righteous man he is. Satan tells God that Job is only loyal because God blessed him with wealth and a large family. He tells God that if Job lost everything he would curse God.

    "6 One day the angels came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan also came with them. 7 The Lord said to Satan, “Where have you come from?”

    Satan answered the Lord, “From roaming throughout the earth, going back and forth on it.”

    8 Then the Lord said to Satan, “Have you considered my servant Job? There is no one on earth like him; he is blameless and upright, a man who fears God and shuns evil.”

    9 “Does Job fear God for nothing?” Satan replied. 10 “Have you not put a hedge around him and his household and everything he has? You have blessed the work of his hands, so that his flocks and herds are spread throughout the land. 11 But now stretch out your hand and strike everything he has, and he will surely curse you to your face.”

    12 The Lord said to Satan, “Very well, then, everything he has is in your power, but on the man himself do not lay a finger.”

    Then Satan went out from the presence of the Lord." Job 1:6-11
     
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