I was wondering when did the first preterist views orginate? Do you get all your evidence about the fulfillment of the first part of Revelations and Matthew 24 from Josephus?
Originally posted by gwyyn
yes but who came to the final conclusion that the AD 70 confirms the prophecy
Originally posted by parousia70
Isaiah 52:10a
The Lord has made bare His holy arm In the eyes of all the nations;
Mandy, Isaiah states here that Gods arm was seen by the "eyes" of all nations.
When did this ocourr?
Surely such a monumental global event of God's actual arm being seen by every eye of everyone of every nation would have been recorded in History.
If, however, you believe this to be metaphore, what scriptuaral basis do you have for interprating "every eye shall see" in polar opposite fashion to "seen by the eyes of all nations"?
I can find none.
Originally posted by parousia70
Isaiah 52:10a
The Lord has made bare His holy arm In the eyes of all the nations;
Mandy, Isaiah states here that Gods arm was seen by the "eyes" of all nations.
When did this ocourr?
Surely such a monumental global event of God's actual arm being seen by every eye of everyone of every nation would have been recorded in History.
If, however, you believe this to be metaphore, what scriptuaral basis do you have for interprating "every eye shall see" in polar opposite fashion to "seen by the eyes of all nations"?
I can find none.
Originally posted by Mandy
LOL!
I think you make a big mistake spiritualizing verses that are plainly literal.
Originally posted by Wildfire
Preterism came from Jesus Christ?
Please. Those who believe that statement should read the REVELATION of Jesus Christ, that was written for his servants, to <reveal> to them: the unfolding process of his return.
Wildfire
Originally posted by gwyyn
I was wondering when did the first preterist views orginate? Do you get all your evidence about the fulfillment of the first part of Revelations and Matthew 24 from Josephus?
Originally posted by Auntie_Belle_Um
I think the preterist view was originally from Josephus, and Josephus was not a believer in Christ. The seed of preterism was planted by a non-Christian.
Originally posted by Wildfire
Parasuoi, you must understand what Jesus was revealing (and later to John in Revelations) at the mount of Olives, what would happen before his return. This phrase "what would shortly take place" has been instructed for us NOT to be taken literally.
Originally posted by Wildfire
Please read Luke 12. It is important to understand the meaning behind the bridegroom and those who are watching for him.
But of the times and seasons, brethren ye have no need that I write unto you.
For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord cometh like a thief in the night.
For when they say Peace and Security; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.
But ye, brethren are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief.
Ye are all the children of light, and the children of the day; we are not of the night or of darkness.
Therefore let us NOT SLEEP as do others, but let us WATCH and be sober.
Jesus tells us plainly:
For the son of man (Jesus Christ) is as a man taking a FAR JOURNEY, (the allowance of time for repentance) who left his house, (earth) and gave authority to his servants, (follow my commandments) and to every man his work, (parable of talents) and commanded the porter to WATCH. (STAY ALERT/ for I am returning)
WATCH ye therefore: for ye know not when the MASTER (Jesus) of the house cometh. At even, or at midnight, or at the cockcrowing, or in the morning.
Lest coming suddenly he find YOU sleeping.
And what I say unto you, I say unto all.
WATCH.
Before his death, Jesus was explaining to his disciples <why> he must leave them. This was a sorrowful time, as indicated in chapter 14.
Yet, a little while, and the world SEETH ME NO MORE; but ye see me: because I live, ye shall live also.
AT THAT DAY ye shall know that I AM in my Father, and ye in me, and I in you.
Ye have heard how I said unto you, I GO AWAY, and COME AGAIN unto you.
If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go to the Father: for my Father is greater than I.
And now I have told you before it come to pass, that, when it is come to pass, ye might believe.
Hereafter I WILL NOT TALK MUCH WITH YOU: for the <Prince of this world> COMETH (satan), and hath nothing in me.
Wildfire
Originally posted by gwyyn
HOWEVER, I do not use my post to ridicule you and refer to you as an embarressment, nor do I tell you that you are stupid for your beliefs, so please be so kind and truly Christ like to refrain from doing this to others who disagree with you.
Just a thought